Why do you think it is ok to let your children run down hallways?

[LrgPizza]

I am extremely disappointed at this "toilet" language being used by a variety of recent posters. If this kind of language is acceptable to you, is it any wonder that the children at the forefront of this thread are allowed to do what they want.

That's a pretty crappy thing to say, and pretty ignorant, as well. Do you truly believe that the use of the word "crap" correlates to kids doing whatever they want? No one is that stupid.

[Buttwig]

That's a pretty crappy thing to say, and pretty ignorant, as well. Do you truly believe that the use of the word "crap" correlates to kids doing whatever they want? No one is that stupid.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with that last sentence after some of the things I have seen and heard.

Also, reading these forums more often has made me wonder why I never run into such intolerant people when I'm actually on a cruise. The only passenger issue we've ever run into is a group of 150 Quiceaneras on RCCL who were woefully under supervised and I think the entire ship hated them by the end of the cruise. Takes a lot to bother me when I'm enjoying my vacation. :)

[spanishguy1970]

Parents were parents when you were a kid. Parents are not parents now. They are afraid to discipline their kids, and expect everyone else to be "tolerant" to their bratty behavior. The entitlement attitude is just ... amazing.

 

Like my mother would say " because parents these days want to be their children friend as opposed to being a parent" she used to say that her job was to mold me to be a respectful, well mannered, civilized human being. :cool:

[Crazy planning mom]

Parents were parents when you were a kid. Parents are not parents now. They are afraid to discipline their kids, and expect everyone else to be "tolerant" to their bratty behavior. The entitlement attitude is just ... amazing.

Nope . The problem isnt lack of parenting.

Back in the day , everyone was expected to have kids. Now, people have a choice and many choose not to. Thats fine but you cant expect the whole world to change for you. People who have not had children love to second guess parents.

Its so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Also, lots of seniors forget what it was like to have small children. I have seen many more rude seniors that misbehaving children in my travels.

[Buttwig]

What about the people who have had children? People your own age with children the same ages? Are they allowed to second guess if your kids are running down the hallway knocking over elderly people? Is it ok then?

[leithbones]

However, I am not afraid to say something when my "space" is being infringed upon. On a cruise on another line, (a typically more mature demographic) a group of us was sitting on the edge of the pool chatting.

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The father was encouraging the child to swim to him and to kick, thereby splashing all in the vicinity. Until the child kicked and splashed into my face. At that point, I said to the child, "stop splashing, you are not the only one in the pool".

"your rights end, right where mine begin. And vice versa".

Complaining about being splashed with water while sitting at the edge of the pool is.....uhhhmmm......many adjectives spring to mind.

 

The actual quote you cite is closer to "Your Right To Swing Your Arm Ends Where My Nose Begins"

[spanishguy1970]

Nope . The problem isnt lack of parenting.

Back in the day , everyone was expected to have kids. Now, people have a choice and many choose not to. Thats fine but you cant expect the whole world to change for you. People who have not had children love to second guess parents.

Its so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

 

Also, lots of seniors forget what it was like to have small children. I have seen many more rude seniors that misbehaving children in my travels.

 

Yes i completely agree with this(y)(y)(y)(y)

[oneplustwins]

often people don't back up the parents but rather sympathize with the kid

THIS!!! I agree so much with this! So many times I've disciplined my kids in public and I get this, not only from strangers but from family! These are situations to use as learning experiences and I don't appreciate when anyone sides with the misbehaving child. Example, we were on a bike ride a couple days ago and my younger two have a bad habit of riding in the center of the road. I corrected them for the 1000th time when some lady rides by and says to them "don't worry, you're doing fine". What?! No they're not! They're going to get run over by a car!

[Two Wheels Only]

Nope . The problem isnt lack of parenting.

Yes, it is.

 

Dealing with a misbehaving child is a part of parenting. If a parent will just let behavior slide and say "kids will be kids....", that parent isn't parenting. If a parent will let little Johnny run up and down the halls on a cruise ship, that parent isn't parenting.

 

 

Nobody is claiming that a child must be perfectly behaved 100% of the time. That would be impossible. The issue is that too many parents don't want to parent for fear of being "too controlling, too mean, embarrassed" etc.

 

 

 

People who have not had children love to second guess parents.

Its so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

The best posts in this thread (besides the comedic ones ;)) are from parents/grandparents/aunts/uncles, etc. Those posters have experience and understand that if negative behavior goes unchecked, it will just get worse over time. There is no excuse for a child running around in a restaurant, running through the halls unsupervised, etc.

 

 

Also, lots of seniors forget what it was like to have small children. I have seen many more rude seniors that misbehaving children in my travels.

That's a totally different topic. There are both rude seniors and misbehaving children. The fact that one exists doesn't excuse the behavior of the other.

[Sissaaaaaa]

I am extremely disappointed at this "toilet" language being used by a variety of recent posters. If this kind of language is acceptable to you, is it any wonder that the children at the forefront of this thread are allowed to do what they want.

 

Don't be such a turd blaster!

[Sissaaaaaa]

Nope . The problem isnt lack of parenting.

Back in the day , everyone was expected to have kids. Now, people have a choice and many choose not to. Thats fine but you cant expect the whole world to change for you. People who have not had children love to second guess parents.

Its so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Also, lots of seniors forget what it was like to have small children. I have seen many more rude seniors that misbehaving children in my travels.

 

Hate to break it to you buttercup, but I am neither a senior nor childless. Luckily I do know how to properly raise children so they don't act like gorillas while out in public.

[JeannieNY]

As far as wheelchairs on airplanes getting priority boarding' date=' I'm all for that. I'm all for anything that accommodates handicapped people.

 

But I have to ask, have you ever been on a miracle flight? You know, there will be 10 wheelchairs with people sitting in them lined up to board first. Then when the plane lands these people are supposed to deboard last. But miraculously most of the very same people are able to walk, and walk quickly to the baggage carousel. Truly a sight to behold![/quote']

 

 

I have never heard it called that--but Yup!!!

[Crazy planning mom]

Yes, it is.

 

Dealing with a misbehaving child is a part of parenting. If a parent will just let behavior slide and say "kids will be kids....", that parent isn't parenting. If a parent will let little Johnny run up and down the halls on a cruise ship, that parent isn't parenting.

 

Wrong , parents do correct their childrens behavior. The issue is it may take multiple corrections or a child may may be especially tired especially on a trip and slip up. Then, the holier than thou crew is waiting to pounce.

 

Nobody is claiming that a child must be perfectly behaved 100% of the time. That would be impossible. The issue is that too many parents don't want to parent for fear of being "too controlling, too mean, embarrassed" etc.

 

Untrue.

 

 

 

 

The best posts in this thread (besides the comedic ones ;)) are from parents/grandparents/aunts/uncles, etc. Those posters have experience and understand that if negative behavior goes unchecked, it will just get worse over time. There is no excuse for a child running around in a restaurant, running through the halls unsupervised, etc.

 

 

 

That's a totally different topic. There are both rude seniors and misbehaving children. The fact that one exists doesn't excuse the behavior of the other.

 

 

 

Wrong , parents do correct their childrens behavior. The issue is it may take multiple corrections or a child may may be especially tired especially on a trip and slip up. Then, the holier than thou crew is waiting to pounce

[jaxw17]

Ironically the only place I ever had an issue with kids while eating was in the Epic Club, in the Haven. They were running around the table, under the table, and crawling on the floor while mom, dad, and grandparents sat there drinking their wine and eating their dinner. The parents and grandparents didn't give a rat's behind who was being disrupted.

i would have had to say something

[Debala715]

OMG! The crawling on the floor during dinner, or wandering around the table, etc. THAT is my biggest pet peeve!! I always taught my son that if we can see his bottom during dinner, that means we can spank it. He needed to sit on his butt during meals so that we couldn't see it.

 

My mother suffered 3rd degree burns on her stomach because of a kid running around in a restaurant. She was a waitress bringing a tray of hot soup to a table when a kid, who was allowed to run around by their parents, crossed her path and tripped her. She was able to make the tray trip back toward herself instead of it burning the kid. Not a sorry out of the kid or his parents.

[Two Wheels Only]

Wrong , parents do correct their childrens behavior. The issue is it may take multiple corrections or a child may may be especially tired especially on a trip and slip up. Then, the holier than thou crew is waiting to pounce

 

How can the parents "correct" the behavior when the parent isn't even there? Several people have described unattended children running up and down the halls such as.....

 

...on the Breakaway in December and I heard periodic running past my door at about 10 pm. I opened the door and saw a little boy about 8 years old running down one side hallway, across the aft cabin corridor and then up the opposite hallway -- and then back in reverse. I stopped him and asked him "where are your parents?" and he replied "at dinner."...

 

^^^ THAT is a lack of parenting.

 

 

If the parent is actually trying to "parent" and it takes several attempts, there wouldn't be a reason for anyone to "pounce" unless the attempts are clearly poor, misguided, or ineffective. If the parent has an "awww, isn't that adorable?..." approach, that's even worse than doing nothing.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Two Wheels Only

[pcakes122]

Hate to break it to you buttercup, but I am neither a senior nor childless. Luckily I do know how to properly raise children so they don't act like gorillas while out in public.

I'm not a senior nor childless either - and I stand by my opinion that children CAN be taught to be courteous & polite without damaging their delicate psyches!

 

Agree with the poster who said parents these days want to be "friends" with their kids rather than doing the (harder) job of preparing their kids to be well-adjusted, CONSIDERATE, productive, happy adults.

[JLCMOM]

My husband and I are heading on our first cruise with our 1.5 year old in September... According to some on this thread, I should stay home. Well, I disagree with you on that one. Just because I have a small child is not a reason that I should not be allowed to enjoy a cruise with my family and I will leave it at that.

 

I actually loved this thread. I do not want my 1.5 year old to disrespect or disturb any others on our upcoming cruise. I am actually probably going to go above and beyond to make sure that happens. I took a huge note to not let him run in the hallways thanks to this thread, which was probably the whole point of the entire thread to begin with. Thank you!

[Justaddvodka68]

That is one great benefit of the Studio Cabins...NO KIDS. Since children can't be in a cabin by themselves, everyone in the Studios is an ADULT. No kids in the rooms, no kids in the hallways.

 

 

Even the Haven doesn't have that benefit.

 

I may start booking two studios! Will totally solve my snoring husband issue too!

[Justaddvodka68]

My husband and I are heading on our first cruise with our 1.5 year old in September... According to some on this thread, I should stay home. Well, I disagree with you on that one. Just because I have a small child is not a reason that I should not be allowed to enjoy a cruise with my family and I will leave it at that.

 

I actually loved this thread. I do not want my 1.5 year old to disrespect or disturb any others on our upcoming cruise. I am actually probably going to go above and beyond to make sure that happens. I took a huge note to not let him run in the hallways thanks to this thread, which was probably the whole point of the entire thread to begin with. Thank you!

 

 

Actually, you SHOULD take your child, take him everywhere and teach him how to act in public.

 

I took my kids everywhere and since they were babies I had strangers stop and make a point to compliment me on their behavior. Its those who don't take their kids anywhere and then expect them to just know how to behave that are the problem. People who want to enjoy their cruise and spend all their time at a bar or in the casino while their kids run loose all over the ship.

 

I have a dear friend who has two boys who are what she calls "typical high energy boys." I have two boys and a girl and they never behave like they're on a playground when they aren't on a playground! It's not bad kids, it's bad parents.

 

Enjoy your cruise!

[DMH15]

I must say that there is one thing that surprises me in this thread: there are some posters here that complain about kids being ill-mannered...but at the same time, these posters think it is perfectly ok to call kids "Buttholio 1 and 2", or refer to other adults as "buttwipes". Again, yes, I think manners are important (also in kids), but I think some people are in dire need to rethink their own manners....

 

 

Ok. I have read these threads on here for a long time. And what you mentioned is "tongue in cheek" for this thread. And they are not addressing kids. Just writing here for amusement. Surely you can tell the difference. And the professional moderators know this.

 

Amatuer mistake perhaps.

 

 

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[Two Wheels Only]

My husband and I are heading on our first cruise with our 1.5 year old in September... According to some on this thread, I should stay home. Well, I disagree with you on that one. Just because I have a small child is not a reason that I should not be allowed to enjoy a cruise with my family and I will leave it at that.

My older child was 19 months on her first cruise. There is no reason to stay home. Have a great cruise like we did. (y)

[Justaddvodka68]

Nope . The problem isnt lack of parenting.

Back in the day , everyone was expected to have kids. Now, people have a choice and many choose not to. Thats fine but you cant expect the whole world to change for you. People who have not had children love to second guess parents.

Its so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Also, lots of seniors forget what it was like to have small children. I have seen many more rude seniors that misbehaving children in my travels.

 

Oh I completely disagree. "Back in the day" kids were expected to be seen and not heard. What's changed isn't that there are fewer parents, it's that the world had become very kid centric. Parents have allowed their world to revolve around their children and expect everyone else to accommodate them as well. I'm one who feels that children should be allowed to be any place where they can properly behave as to not cause a disruption.

 

Parents should be prepared to take their child out of the restaurant if they're tired and cranky and can't sit through dinner. They should sit in the back of the theater and remove a child who can't be quiet during a performance. They should plan their day so that their children get appropriate naps and have something to entertain them while waiting for food, etc.

 

I don't think families should be relegated to the buffet and in bed by 9 - but I do think they need to use courtesy and common sense when deciding to not just subject other people to their children, but subject their children to an adult venue and schedule.

 

This originally was about running in hallways. This isn't just a noise issue. I've witnessed young kids, mostly boys, running and turning a corner without looking and knocking right into other passengers. And usually they run off again without so much as an apology. One boy ran into a waitress in the main dining room and tipped a whole tray of drinks. Thankfully it wasn't hot soup or coffee. Many cruise passengers are elders and not so steady on their feet to begin with. The ship isn't a playground. Especially indoors, there's good reason to not run.

[Two Wheels Only]

I had strangers stop and make a point to compliment me on their behavior.

The same happened to me from 2 different couples in the Haven restaurant. It was very much appreciated.

 

One of the reasons that the "No children in the Haven..." crowd fails is that children's behavior can vary just as much as adult's behavior. If anyone (adult or child) is a problem, the entire group (adults or children) shouldn't be seen as the same.

 

 

 

Its those who don't take their kids anywhere and then expect them to just know how to behave that are the problem. People who want to enjoy their cruise and spend all their time at a bar or in the casino while their kids run loose all over the ship.

Agreed.

 

It's not bad kids, it's bad parents.

It's usually both. :p

Like the saying goes, "...the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...".

[Justaddvodka68]

Adding . . . I don't think most people have issues with the really little ones. Babies cry, babies can't sit for long periods.

 

The ones that annoy me are usually in the 7-11 age bracket. Old enough that mom and dad think it's ok to let them run the ship, (usually in packs of 2-4 siblings/cousins) with one "older" one "in charge." I've seen many kids in this age group behaving just fine as they move from the room to the pool or kids club or whatever . . . but there's always those few . . . pushing all the buttons on the elevator, running and horseplaying around the ship, climbing and jumping, hitting each other, being loud and just being unruly in general.