Dawn Question regarding "New Yorkers"

[Dolphins]

You may even find some Brits cruising out of New York. NCL UK are marketing the Dawn cruises, esp. the 7 day autumn cruises, as an 11-night/10-day package including 3 nights in NYC before the cruise. I won't say that you'll be overrun with us, but that's an attractive holiday at a good price, given that it includes the cruise, 3 nights pre-cruise stay in New York, and return flights & transfers.

 

We sailed the Saga Rose out of Dover for a Baltic cruise on 9/11/01. the mostly British 500+ passengers couldn't have been nicer to the 56 distressed Americans on board. The Captain, a Scot, even held a moving memorial service on board the Friday following which concluded with all these Brits singing the Star Spangled Banner. We will always have a warm place in our hearts for the Brits and "As Time Goes By," we love their Britcoms

[Johnsy81]

As a native New Yorker (born and raised in The Bronx) and a veteran cruiser out of the port of NYC, I can say that I've seen the best and the worst. I tend to be of the opinion that certain cruise lines draw a certain type of passenger. While one can certainly encounter obnoxious passengers on premier lines, my experience has shown that the more "family friendly" cruises tend to attrack the type of passenger we'd all like to avoid. For instance, our QM2 cruise to the Carribbean out of NYC tended to draw an older, slightly more upscale passenger. There were children on board and the majority of the passengers were from the Northeast US. This is not to say that there weren't those on board who felt that they "owned" the ship and could do as they please. I think that a line like Cunard has a better handle on passenger behavior with the staff to enforce a reasonable code of conduct. The worst cruise I was on was Carnival Legend to Canada in August. Granted, the timing was horrible (lots of children) but I was horrified at how undisciplined the children were. I'm all for having fun and think it's great that families have cruise lines that are more "family friendly" say than Cunard. This does not entitle 8 and 9 year olds from running through the halls, using the elevators as their personal play areas, and creating an atmosphere of chaos. I do not blame the children, I blame the parents who never seemed to be anywhere around. I saw children get hurt, start crying, with no adult paying any attention. Each cruise line has a reputation for a unique atmosphere and has something special to "sell" to passengers. I believe that cruise lines with higher passenger-to-crew ratios are better equipped to deal with the people issues of their passengers.

 

As a New Yorker, I feel that we can be a brash and rude bunch. Perhaps its living with 8 million other people that causes us to be pushy. Regardless, rude behavior (no matter the venue or reason) should not be tolerated, especially on a vacation.

[lastingtouch]

Our experiences cruising out of NY were great. Of course you would expect to find all walks of life on board. I don't know how you can tell where someone is from unless you ask. We did find the Russians that spoke very little English to be rude and really not friendly. They would step right in front of you on line, shoving you aside without even batting an eye. Well, that's my 2.

[shoreguy]

You may even find some Brits cruising out of New York. NCL UK are marketing the Dawn cruises, esp. the 7 day autumn cruises, as an 11-night/10-day package including 3 nights in NYC before the cruise. I won't say that you'll be overrun with us, but that's an attractive holiday at a good price, given that it includes the cruise, 3 nights pre-cruise stay in New York, and return flights & transfers.

 

Tom there has in fact been a good percentage of Brits on every one of my Dawn Cruises.

 

:D They are easy to spot - by day three the Brits are ones with the most painful looking sunburns but still refusing to move to the shade. I guess they are afraid they will never see the sun again:D :D

[MrPete]

As a native New Yorker (born and raised in The Bronx) and a veteran cruiser out of the port of NYC, I can say that I've seen the best and the worst.

 

I concur. Born in the Bronx and never have lived more that 90 miles from my POB!

 

But I have found, on the same line, a vast difference, and that seemed to be the destination of the ship, and how easy it is to fill.

 

The least desireable destinations (Florida, Bahamas) out of NY seemed to have the rudest clientele. These are also the ones they start discounting to fill up the ship.

 

Those with favorable destiations that sell out quickly (Caribbean, Bermuda), seemed to have the best and nicest.

 

But there were burnt Brits on ALL of them. :eek:

[Retired not Expired]

Even though I haven't sailed out of NY, I thought I'd offer a Small Town, Midwest view.

 

My town has 5000 inhabitants who entertains 8 million visitors a year from all over. I use to work with groups that came here and several were from NY City and the surrounding area. I found them perhaps a little more outspoken and outgoing than the locals but that didn't make them rude. Percentage wise, I didn't see any more rudeness than people from other areas or even my own small town. I've also been to NY and saw the same there.

 

NY gets a bad rap because people prejudge them to be rude just like many prejudge people who live here to be backward hillbillys. That's OK I guess. Many people here make a darn good living plying that image.

 

You put 100 people in a ten mile square area and 10 % are rude, you don't run into many. Put a 100,000 people in that same area with the same percentage of rude ones, and you will run into more. It's perception more than percentage.

 

Sorry, New Yorkers, you ain't that much different than us backwoods hillbillys. A little different culture maybe, but not that different.

 

It's a big world and people need to stop prejudging and meet people one on one and form their opinions on each person and not where they are from.

[IrinaY]

Even though I haven't sailed out of NY, I thought I'd offer a Small Town, Midwest view.

 

My town has 5000 inhabitants who entertains 8 million visitors a year from all over. I use to work with groups that came here and several were from NY City and the surrounding area. I found them perhaps a little more outspoken and outgoing than the locals but that didn't make them rude. Percentage wise, I didn't see any more rudeness than people from other areas or even my own small town. I've also been to NY and saw the same there.

 

NY gets a bad rap because people prejudge them to be rude just like many prejudge people who live here to be backward hillbillys. That's OK I guess. Many people here make a darn good living plying that image.

 

You put 100 people in a ten mile square area and 10 % are rude, you don't run into many. Put a 100,000 people in that same area with the same percentage of rude ones, and you will run into more. It's perception more than percentage.

 

Sorry, New Yorkers, you ain't that much different than us backwoods hillbillys. A little different culture maybe, but not that different.

 

It's a big world and people need to stop prejudging and meet people one on one and form their opinions on each person and not where they are from.

 

Amen to that

[tom_uk]

Tom there has in fact been a good percentage of Brits on every one of my Dawn Cruises.

 

They are easy to spot - by day three the Brits are ones with the most painful looking sunburns but still refusing to move to the shade. I guess they are afraid they will never see the sun again

 

There is truth in the myth of the perspiring pink Englishman. Unfortunately, I am one....

 

Actually I have managed to avoid the worst of the sunburn in recent years. I have discovered the delights of factor 30 suncream. I don't go brown (I never have, at least not until all my freckles have merged) but neither do I burn. So I just stay very pale!

 

Seriously, we have visited New York and considered its reputation for rudeness unwarranted. The majority of people we encountered were firendly and helpful, and those that were a bit brusque were also very busy. We certianly never encountered service as bad as we have in the UK.

 

Mind you, we then went to Mississippi for a few days where my wife was bowled over by the courtesy shown her by those southern gentlemen. My favourite was when she was stood in the doorway of a local diner/grocery shop, and a delivery man was trying to get past her with his delivery trolley. 'Pardon me, Ma'am' he drawled, in a deep voice, and she just melted....

[calmac]

Tom there has in fact been a good percentage of Brits on every one of my Dawn Cruises.

 

:D They are easy to spot - by day three the Brits are ones with the most painful looking sunburns but still refusing to move to the shade. I guess they are afraid they will never see the sun again

 

This Scottish family will be in the shade MOST of the time - don't want to look like this :mad: (red face) - and we see less of the sun than the southern parts of the UK :D :D .

[calmac]

We will always have a warm place in our hearts for the Brits and "As Time Goes By," we love their Britcoms

 

Dolphins, you'll be pleased to hear that this year there has been a Christmas Special of "As Time Goes By". Unfortunately I missed the second part (last night) so I'll be waiting for the repeat.

[tony@stanton19.freeserve.]

Tom there has in fact been a good percentage of Brits on every one of my Dawn Cruises.

 

:D They are easy to spot - by day three the Brits are ones with the most painful looking sunburns but still refusing to move to the shade. I guess they are afraid they will never see the sun again:D :D

 

Guilty as charged. SEE PICTURE BELOW

And yes, it made me the talking point of the cruise.

Moral, do not fall asleep on the sea day of your first cruise. That sea breeze is deceptively cooling. Mind you, the British accent tends to be a bit of a giveaway as well.

 

There will be a good proportion of Brits on the NY sailings as it is a change from the Florida / Orlando / Cruise option. However, on our sailing there were only three families on the NCL package.

I must say we never encountered the "rude/loud" or otherwise stereotype New Yorker, everyone we met was most pleasant and welcoming.

As Tom-UK states, sometimes very busy people can be a little terse. I never realised I could be so inept at ordering breakfast in a deli. Talk about two nations separated by a common language;) .

Unfortunately, by the time I got the hang of it, it was time to move on.

 

On our NY cruise, there were lots of people from the Far East. I assumed that they are attracted in by the NYC connection, by way of the Star Cruises' marketing.

 

We have loved our USA holidays, both cruise and land based, and look forward to more of them.

When we did our first cruise on the Jubilee, we did find a few of the guests a little ebullient. (Mind you, it was Carnival;) ) Yes, some of them had New York accents and their kids were a little loud and overenthusiastic. They were no different to groups of British tourists that we have all encountered on holiday. Everyone tries to get as much out of their holiday as possible and as long as they don't spoil it for others, then best of luck to them.

[calmac]

Looks painful, Tony. I'll make sure we pack loads of high factor sun cream.

[tony@stanton19.freeserve.]

Looks painful, Tony. I'll make sure we pack loads of high factor sun cream.

It was , and they didn't have any aftersun on the ship. :eek:

That was in 2001 and I haven't been that stupid since.

[MrPete]

We saw a guy with that color burn on his face, but apparently he was wearing glasses while getting burned.

 

I've seen that in the movie and in cartoons, but never in real life. Everyone was doing double takes! :eek: And of course, they must have been HUGE glasses.

[StarSander]

I heard negative remarks about passengers on the Dawn being rude. I almost didn't book, but the price was right. It is sad when someone thinks they can be rude to someone just because they have money or prestige. Because most of the time they are the ones that are being the demanding customers.

The first cruise we took was on the Celebrity Galaxy. We loved that ship and for the most part the people were very nice. We sailed out of San Juan. But there was that one table at dinner time that all but snapped their fingers at the waiters when they wanted something. Made us feel very uncomfortable. We also sailed the Galaxy 2 more times and don't remember seeing anything like that again.

My favorite port to cruise out of was Baltimore, we sailed the rccl Grandeur of the Seas. Beautiful ship. The passengers on that ship were friendly and considerate of others. Maybe is it that southern hospitality that they are known for. That cruise was probably my most relaxed cruise I have ever been on.

 

I am curious to see how people act and how the treat each other and the crew members on the Dawn. I hope I won't regret going on this cruise. My husband and I need to relax, especially after I have been sick almost the whole month of December and will finally be going back to work on Wednesday.

[calmac]

It was , and they didn't have any aftersun on the ship. :eek:

That was in 2001 and I haven't been that stupid since.

 

A tip I received from someone earlier this week - keep your after sun in the fridge, if you have one. Guess the "chilling" helps too.

[Dolphins]

Dolphins, you'll be pleased to hear that this year there has been a Christmas Special of "As Time Goes By". Unfortunately I missed the second part (last night) so I'll be waiting for the repeat.

 

The sequel special of "As Time Goes By" was shown here in New York om PBS and it was great seeing Jean, Lionel, Judith, Alistair and Sandy again. By far, our favorite TV family.

[SanFranBayCruiser]

I like "As Time Goes By" but, absolutely love "Keeping Up Appearances"!! One of my very favorite episodes is when Hyacinth and Richard sail on the QE2! I wish they made more episodes - it was a wonderful show!

[calmac]

I like "As Time Goes By" but, absolutely love "Keeping Up Appearances"!! One of my very favorite episodes is when Hyacinth and Richard sail on the QE2! I wish they made more episodes - it was a wonderful show!

 

Just as long as NCL don't start charging for deck chairs!! Loved that episode too.

[Leafpeeper]

We sailed on the Dawn one year ago in December. I grew up in a small town on the coast of Connecticut and DH grew up in a small town on the coast of Massachusetts.

 

When we sailed on the Dawn, the Red Sox had just won the World Series and the Patriots had won two Super Bowls, so I was nervous about wearing our hats and T shirts on a ship full of New Yorkers. Well, I was pleasantly surprised because people were so friendly. DH became chummy with a guy who was a big Mets fan. We met people from other parts of the country also wearing Red Sox hats. It was such a fun cruise. What really surprised us was that the ship was filled with people from all over the world. There were a couple hundred Germans onboard.

We met people from California, Midwest, and England. There were lots of Canadians too. There was a large tour group from Syracuse, NY--who reminded us that NY is a large state with alot of small towns. We were also surprised to see so many people from New England onboard. It was a great surprise.

 

Funny thing--in 2004 we sailed out of LA on a Mexican Riviera cruise. Most of the people onboard were from the Midwest and Southwest. The people were so nice and so polite. My son who lives in LA told us that LA people will not beep a car horn even if you pull out in front of them. Well, during our cruise, DH met a guy from New York City. He was so opinionated about everything from sports to politics to all the fees on the cruise. DH was so delighted to finally meet somebody with an attitude after spending a month vacationing out west with all the laid back people. I laughed so much that of all the people onboard our cruise that my husband would enjoy spending time with this loud mouth obnoxious arrogant guy. DH told me he was glad to finally meet someone with strong opinions--even if he didn't share them at least he was entertaining.

 

Personally, I respect people's differences. I love meeting people from all over the world. I always tell my children that life would be dull if all we could eat was vanilla ice cream. As a matter of fact, I think it's time for some Rocky Road.

 

Mary

Plymouth, MA

[Leafpeeper]

Not necessarily rude, but certainly outrageous. Never saw so much gold & diamond jewelry & makeup & hairdos as we saw on the tender to Great Stirrup Cay! To the beach...imagine that... Ya gotta love NJ/NYers! :D

 

I am still laughing--but it's true!!!

 

Mary

Plymouth, MA

[BoscoBreaux]

I have encountered rude passengers from all areas of the country, and, I'd really like to hear some opinions on the Dawn and the passengers she carries. Thanks.

 

I, too, am a former New Yorker (of the Brooklyn variety), and escaped to Northern California.

The crowd on the Dawn is definitely middle-class, blue collar NYC. (Whether that is encouraging or not is for you to decide.) Other than the occasional "Yo Bayonne is in da house!" announcements from intoxicated cruisers (which wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't in the middle of a performance of piano ballads), the crowd is reasonably well-behaved. The exception in my experience was at the casino, where several persons seemed to doing there best "Joe Pesci in Goodfellas" impressions--and these were women!

[BoscoBreaux]

Tom there has in fact been a good percentage of Brits on every one of my Dawn Cruises.

 

:D They are easy to spot - by day three the Brits are ones with the most painful looking sunburns but still refusing to move to the shade. I guess they are afraid they will never see the sun again:D :D

 

It's funny. On my Dawn cruise, it was assumed that if a person didn't look threatening, mad, or drunk, they must be British!

"Aww she's so nice....she must not be from New York."

[shoreguy]

It's funny. On my Dawn cruise, it was assumed that if a person didn't look threatening, mad, or drunk, they must be British!

"Aww she's so nice....she must not be from New York."

 

I would not rule out the drunks :D :D

[McCutie]

This reminds me of the supermarket scene in "Terms of Endearment"...

 

It went sort of like this:

 

Checker: "I don't think I was being rude"

Customer: "Then you must be from New York"

 

.....New Yorkers always will have this stereotype, yet just about everyone wants to visit NY. :) Funny, isn't it?

 

I totally agree with Retired not Expired.....