If NCL offered 'Smoking' cabins would you book one?

[Computer Nerd]

I don't believe that your idea would make it past the execs but if implemented, those ships would be easy to spot.....

 

 

 

Yes, the non-smokers dream picture to support their cause. Too bad that no cigarette was found, no proof that the non-existent cigarette came from another balcony, no proof as to what even started the fire. But go ahead and keep flouting that picture like it actually proves anything.

[Computer Nerd]

OJ probably killed Nicole and Ron.....

 

"It was probably caused by a discarded cigarette end heating combustible materials on a balcony, which smouldered for about 20 minutes before flames developed. " - MAIB (Marine Accident Investigation Branch) report.

 

Anything is possible. Maybe a mosquito carrying a lit match started the fire.

 

Why it spread (while interesting) doesn't take away from why it (probably) started.

 

probably

 

• Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
  

 

"Probably" is the word used when no one has a clue but wants to blame something. ;)

[AnitaVacation]

I am a smoker and don't smoke in my own home, so why would I want to smoke in a small cabin. The answer is no, I will stick to the designated areas on the ship.

 

This is why I added:

And it could be smoking on the balcony only, not the cabin

We smoked outside only at home, my dh quit 3 years ago and I am recently off the sticks and on the patch, so far so good....but I am not a non-smoking snob....

Obviously (or probably) this question was posted to smokers only....so non-smokers need not reply.....we probably know where you stand...

[welove2cruise2014]

The fact that some smokers don't even smoke inside their own homes tells me that even THEY can see the impact smoke has on everything - smell, discoloration of fabrics, etc. It disgusts me that they build these beautiful new $$$$$$ ships and then allow smoking on them.

 

I like the Dawn, and I enjoy Gatsbys. But I always have to sort of prepare myself for the stench in that area (since it is close to the casino) as well as how gross my clothes and hair will smell afterwards.

 

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[AnitaVacation]

Hotels are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

Planes are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

Office buildings are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

Restaurants are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

 

HOTELS * PLANES * OFFICE BUILDINGS * RESTAURANTS * CRUISE SHIPS

 

One of these things is not like the others....One of things just doesn't belong...

 

Hotels, Office Buildings & Restaurants will have designated outside places to smoke.....and show me a flight that lasts 7 days....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[cruisekitty22]

NO! Not ever as a former smoker I cant stand the smell of smoke anywhere! I start to cough when I smell it. My 2 cents.

[4774Papa]

Never gonna happen.

I hope not, since what if I booked a cruise late and the only cabins were smoking cabins.

[madnsneaky]

YES

 

 

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[misika]

I am a smoker, but even back when it was allowed I didn’t smoke on the balcony when I booked a balcony cabin. I do however smoke in the casino and would be disappointed if they stopped allowing that.

[AnitaVacation]

What's hard to understand....is how they will allow smoking in the casino, the casino is located inside, in the middle of the ship...the smell permeates far beyond the casino ....but they won't allow you to smoke on your balcony, even (if say) you had an aft balcony and/or you weren't disturbing anyone else (designated balconies)...

So in the casino, say, approx 30-40% of the area is allowed to smoke....but around the rest of the ship, only approx 3% of the area where you can smoke....

Smokers = gamblers??

[AnitaVacation]

I hope not, since what if I booked a cruise late and the only cabins were smoking cabins.

 

This wouldn't happen...all those cabins would be sold out :cool:

[wizdiz]

Go on NCL Joy out of China it's very smoker friendly

[MrMike45]

Hotels are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

Planes are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

Office buildings are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

Restaurants are non-smoking. They should make cruise ships non-smoking.

 

Casinos are smoking. And I bet 1/3 of every cruise (if not more) are gamblers

[biker@sea]

What's hard to understand....is how they will allow smoking in the casino, the casino is located inside, in the middle of the ship...the smell permeates far beyond the casino ....but they won't allow you to smoke on your balcony, even (if say) you had an aft balcony and/or you weren't disturbing anyone else (designated balconies)...

So in the casino, say, approx 30-40% of the area is allowed to smoke....but around the rest of the ship, only approx 3% of the area where you can smoke....

Smokers = gamblers??

 

 

And if when smoking aft. there become's a Tailwind??

 

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[AnitaVacation]

And if when smoking aft. there become's a Tailwind??

 

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It would probably be the end of the world......

[my3sonsnj]

If cruise ships designated a section of the ship as 'Smoking Allowed', say maybe 10% of the cabins....all in the same area, probably a back corner...

I'd bet they would sell out.....and quickly

 

And it could be smoking on the balcony only, not the cabin....and they would still sell out...

 

I think you are correct that they would sell and quickly. There are many that find not being able to smoke on their balcony an inconvenience.

 

To me smoking on the balcony is not a big deal one way or another since I don't spend much time in my cabin. I just want several designated smoking areas with outdoor covered "chair" seating with a bar in close proximity. :D

 

The problem I have currently is that NCL doesn't always have the type of designated smoking area I prefer on every ship and there is no way to find out which ships do have what I am looking for except word of mouth.

[SheehanDJ]

OJ probably killed Nicole and Ron.....

 

"It was probably caused by a discarded cigarette end heating combustible materials on a balcony, which smouldered for about 20 minutes before flames developed. " - MAIB (Marine Accident Investigation Branch) report.

 

Anything is possible. Maybe a mosquito carrying a lit match started the fire.

 

Why it spread (while interesting) doesn't take away from why it (probably) started.

 

probably

 

• Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
  

 

See we were on the same page, almost in agreement, but then you go to the extremely ridiculous desperately trying to "make" a cigarette the "reasonable" solution. Let me help you out with your statement.

 

"Anything is possible. Maybe a spark escaping from the funnel started the fire." (Much greater possibility than your mosquito and it's match. However, bad for your side of the argument.)

 

Now doesn't that make it interesting, let's for just a second assume facts not in evidence (you know like the folks insisting that this was caused by a cigarette) that this is what happened. Where does the liability shift? The cruise line, not some random smoker. Guess who would get sued.

[my3sonsnj]

Casinos are smoking. And I bet 1/3 of every cruise (if not more) are gamblers

 

Bingo!!!!

 

This is exactly why cruise fares would need to increase on ships that decide to go non-smoking. They would have to make up the lost revenue from the casino, alcohol & tobacco sales somehow. I think smokers are generally very generous with and appreciative of staff as well, just based on my own observations.

[Casino Comp Chick]

Hell YES

 

Make that double Hell YES

 

That would be a Hell YES in case someone wasn’t paying attention

:evilsmile:

[Two Wheels Only]

"Anything is possible. Maybe a spark escaping from the funnel started the fire." (Much greater possibility than your mosquito and it's match. However, bad for your side of the argument.)

 

At the time that the smell of smoke was first reported, there was a 30 knot wind blowing at 27 degrees from port to starboard (off the port bow). It's unlikely that a spark from the funnel would travel against the wind and land on the port side forward of the funnel (even if the ship wasn't moving forward at 17 knots which it was). Could a flicked cigarette from anywhere forward of where the fire started on the port side fly back onto the ship since the wind was blowing that way? Probably.

 

"The first heat detectors to activate were in staterooms C316 and C318, and items on the balcony of stateroom C316 at the time included two large cotton towels provided by the ship and draped over the plastic chairs, a bathing suit, and a pair of water shoes, all of which had been on the balcony for several hours. The passengers in C318 were smokers, and the last occasion a cigarette was smoked on the balcony was shortly after midnight. The cigarette end was then extinguished in an ashtray. The passengers in C316 were nonsmokers,and were travelling companions of the passenger in C318. The door in the partition between the stateroom balconies was unlocked, but it is not certain whether it was open or closed."

 

"Following the fire on board Star Princess, one passenger reported that during the voyage, a discarded cigarette end had landed on one of the plastic chairs on his balcony, and had left a burn mark. Several other passengers reported that discarded cigarette ends had also landed on their balconies"

 

Could it have been an electrical fire? Unlikely. The report states that "The only electrical fitting provided on each of the balconies was an exterior light sited over the balcony doors. There was no evidence of any electrical failure or arcing on these fittings."

 

Now doesn't that make it interesting, let's for just a second assume facts not in evidence (you know like the folks insisting that this was caused by a cigarette) that this is what happened. Where does the liability shift? The cruise line, not some random smoker. Guess who would get sued.

The MAIB has no loyalty at all to the cruise line.

 

“The sole objective of the investigation of an accident under the Merchant Shipping(Accident Reporting and Investigation) Regulations 2005 shall be the prevention of future accidents through the ascertainment of its causes and circumstances. It shall not be the purpose of an investigation to determine liability nor, except so far as is necessary to achieve its objective, to apportion blame.”

 

The report does state where the fire likely started...

 

"The time, location, and sequence of the activation of the smoke and heat detectors fitted, along with video evidence, the accounts of passengers, and the survey of the damage, indicate that the fire started in the vicinity of the stateroom balconies of C316 and C318, on deck 10. The alarms in these staterooms were the first to activate in the accommodation area, and the sequence of alarm activation shows that the fire spread upwards and aft."

 

"The dangers of the casual discarding of cigarette ends, which have not been properly extinguished, are well acknowledged by many shipping companies. The potential for discarded cigarette ends falling onto combustible material is demonstrated by at least one of the previous balcony fires detailed in Paragraph 2.2. Although passengers onboard Star Princess were instructed to properly extinguish cigarette ends in the ashtrays provided during the safety video shown throughout the day of embarkation, and in the safety literature provided in the staterooms, the cigarette ends found on balconies after the fire, and the scorching of a plastic chair by a discarded cigarette end, indicates that this instruction was not always adhered to. As the last cigarette to be smoked on the balcony of C318 was nearly 3 hours before the smell of burning was reported, and an ash tray was used on the balcony, it is highly probable that the cigarette end igniting the fire was discarded elsewhere."

 

The report is not trying to throw the smoker in C318 under the bus.

 

If anything, the MAIB recommends changes that end up costing the cruise line money to correct/implement.

[my3sonsnj]

:rolleyes:

The title of this thread clearly alerts everyone to the intended audience and sought a yes or no response, with possible reasons, from that target audience.

 

Why do so many threads go off topic on cruise critic? :rolleyes:

[candigirl41]

I don't smoke but live with smokers and cruise with a smoker. My cruise friend is quite happy with the designated smoking areas on the ships. He wouldn't smoke in the room even if it was allowed. I agree that smoking rooms would probably sell out. Carnival had a completely non smoking ship and tried to keep it going for a long time. The casino revenues were the lowest in the fleet and the bars weren't doing as well either. The fares didn't go up to compensate for the low amounts of people booking, they went down. They would try to fill the ship by constantly lowering the prices. So, I don't know what a good balance would be. I think it works the way it is now with designated areas. The Bliss has a separate smoking casino which I think is the best solution to this area. The older ships have the issue of smoke permeating through other parts of the ship.

 

Candi

[my3sonsnj]

I don't smoke but live with smokers and cruise with a smoker. My cruise friend is quite happy with the designated smoking areas on the ships. He wouldn't smoke in the room even if it was allowed. I agree that smoking rooms would probably sell out. Carnival had a completely non smoking ship and tried to keep it going for a long time. The casino revenues were the lowest in the fleet and the bars weren't doing as well either. The fares didn't go up to compensate for the low amounts of people booking, they went down. They would try to fill the ship by constantly lowering the prices. So, I don't know what a good balance would be. I think it works the way it is now with designated areas. The Bliss has a separate smoking casino which I think is the best solution to this area. The older ships have the issue of smoke permeating through other parts of the ship.

 

Candi

 

I've read about that experiment with a non-smoking ship. The end result, discontinuation, speaks volumes about the cruise industries need to retain smokers in their customer base to ensure profitability.

 

I like designated smoking areas around the ship but I do feel that only having 3-4 such areas on the large Breakaway class ships is insufficient for the number of smokers being accommodated. This is especially so, when there aren't any COVERED OUTDOOR AREAS with regular deck chairs (not bar stools). I have found that most smokers prefer to be outside, not indoors in the casino or humidor.

 

I am wondering if the Escape will be as successful out of NYC as the Breakaway was since the Escape has entirely different accommodations for smokers.

 

It will also be interesting to see how the Bliss fares once smokers realize this ship is not for them.

Edited May 30, 2018 by my3sonsnj

[NLH Arizona]

I've read about that experiment with a non-smoking ship. The end result, discontinuation, speaks volumes about the cruise industries need to retain smokers in their customer base to ensure profitability.

 

I believe that ship sailed from 1998 to 2003 as a non-smoking ship. Times have changed (in other words, they were ahead of the times) and the percentage of smokers has declined. Do I think that ships will every go non-smoking, not in my lifetime. I think there should be designated smoking areas that are enclosed on the ships, so that the smoke doesn't go into non-smoking areas.

 

To the poster who said smokers were more appreciative to the staff, you are totally incorrect and the same goes for those that say smokers gamble more than non-smokers. I think some folks need to visit some casinos and look at the number of smokers who are shrinking every day.

[247vacation]

Yes but to smoke on the balcony not in the cabin. I was recently on the Getaway and would have liked to be able to smoke on my balcony in the morning and before bed.