New Covid-19 Cruise Ship Rules

[sugcarol]

6 hours ago, lizzius said:

I don't think we will ever reach a herd immunity that thoroughly stamps out the virus, but will reach one with minimal hospitalizations and deaths. I also don't think cruises will sail until hospitalizations and deaths both home and in the destination ports are under control... My last contention is that neither of those things will happen until a critical mass of the population recovers after being infected with the virus or gets vaccinated, thus there is no need for a vaccination requirement as a de-facto population level immunity from the worst effects will be proven before ships ever sail, and while the virus is still very much with us. 

That is how you reach herd immunity. You either have the disease and recovered or you take the vaccine and dont get it. It is a virus, that is how viruses work. There was no vaccine for Sars and it drifted away. COVID is Sars but more contagious. We will never eliminate it entirely but if we have 70-80% that is what is considered herd immunity, we will reach that no question, and much quicker than you think, based right now on the improving numbers.

[lizzius]

1 minute ago, sugcarol said:

That is how you reach herd immunity. You either have the disease and recovered or you take the vaccine and dont get it. It is a virus, that is how viruses work. There was no vaccine for Sars and it drifted away. COVID is Sars but more contagious. We will never eliminate it entirely but if we have 70-80% that is what is considered herd immunity, we will reach that no question, and much quicker than you think, based right now on the improving numbers.

Well, no. There are four other human coronaviruses that circulate regularly and frequently... They may not knock you down like this one, but you also never acheive lifetime immunity. They're spreading among us, and it seems like the average person will catch them every two years or so. We can hope that as SARS-nCoV-2 passes among us year after year, our bodies retain enough of an immune response to stop severe disease... In the absence of serious mutations, it seems like there is hope this will be true though it may require vaccines for variants for a few years. There is actually decent speculation that the Russian flu pandemic in the 1890's could have been the youngest of the 4 endemic human coronaviruses... It took less of a toll on human life after a few years but it's been with us ever since. 

 

SARS was contained, largely because it didn't have the degree of asymptomatic spread that this one has. MERS is being contained for the same reason, though it spills over from time to time.

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[Pandamonia]

23 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

What year was that?

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

 

the ONS figures for 2018 were over 50k additional deaths in that winter than normal. Influenza vaccine poor performance blamed. Remember that we dont test all deaths in the UK and this 50k figure is on top of the usual 1600 per day average death rate of which in winter is mostly respiratory viruses and other issues 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Pandamonia