Nunagoras Posted November 7, 2022 #101 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Hi, may I come in? Perhaps nobody would know me here once I'm more prevalent on the MSC boards, once MSC is my favorite cruise line to date. Never been on Princess (P) or Carnival (C), but there is something that captures my attention on this current thread: Different price tags and market levels for both companies, consequently different people traveling each one's ships: Contemporary mainstream for C, classic premium for P. C will likely to attract a broad cruiser audience, on the young side of the pond. P will attract a more select travel audience. That on it would explain the changes. C is on the press for not so good reasons lately. Brawls, fights, and other incidents, especially on those 3-4 night "booze" weekend getaways. P is solidly running the premium market with no notice at all of themselves. One will only to change if something needs to be changed. CCL group won't apply such an anti-waste measure where there isn't waste like on P. But they'll to try to discipline where necessary like seems to be the C ships. Regarding the 3rd entree surcharge, I'm mostly in favor. Obviously, if you have some food allergies that make you to chose an entree instead of a starter and then proceed your meal, that is a thing to be dealt separately. Someone in need of 3 entrees after starters, that opens an alert sign on me, even if "minimal" plates are on offer. Either way: Need more food after your meal? The buffet or the main coffee place will surely serve you! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Over from NZ Posted November 8, 2022 #102 Share Posted November 8, 2022 We are talking about the mains aren't we? Americans call them the entree (over here the entree is the starter)? If you're ordering 3 or more mains.. you should definitely pay!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VibeGuy Posted November 8, 2022 #103 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Yes. We refer to the mains/plats principal/secondi/relevés as entrées for reasons lost to the sands of time. You know what we anglophone North Americans do to French. It isn’t pretty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 8, 2022 #104 Share Posted November 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, VibeGuy said: Yes. We refer to the mains/plats principal/secondi/relevés as entrées for reasons lost to the sands of time. You know what we anglophone North Americans do to French. It isn’t pretty. Yes, how did the "entry" course suddenly become the main course in the US, but nowhere else in the world ? Even us linguistically challenged Brits have avoided that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 8, 2022 #105 Share Posted November 8, 2022 As a slight thread drift, do Americans use a different term for an "amuse bouche" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCThunder Posted November 8, 2022 #106 Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 hours ago, wowzz said: As a slight thread drift, do Americans use a different term for an "amuse bouche" ? In my experience, amuse bouche is not something typically offered in American restaurants. It's unusual even in the high-end fine dining establishments, outside of the foodie type places in NY, LA, Vegas, etc. But if it is offered, we do refer to it as amuse bouche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare c-boy Posted November 8, 2022 #107 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 hours ago, wowzz said: As a slight thread drift, do Americans use a different term for an "amuse bouche" ? appetizer(s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 8, 2022 #108 Share Posted November 8, 2022 50 minutes ago, c-boy said: appetizer(s) Although an amuse bouche is much smaller than an appertiser, and is not necessarily served at the start of a meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantaFeFan Posted November 8, 2022 #109 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, wowzz said: Yes, how did the "entry" course suddenly become the main course in the US, but nowhere else in the world ? Even us linguistically challenged Brits have avoided that mistake. Yes, we are quite familiar with your disdain of us Americans. Do you have to turn every discussion into an "Americans are wrong" thread? Edited November 8, 2022 by SantaFeFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCThunder Posted November 8, 2022 #110 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, SantaFeFan said: Yes, we are quite familiar with your disdain of us Americans. Do you have to turn every discussion into an "Americans are wrong" thread? If you think that's bad, you should go read Quora. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martha1974 Posted November 8, 2022 #111 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I always assumed that the American use of entree for the main course came from the French ‘entre’ meaning ‘between’ rather than ‘entrée’ meaning ‘entry’… I can confirm however that I have done absolutely no research to back this up and it is probably absolute nonsense!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay S Posted November 8, 2022 #112 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, SantaFeFan said: Yes, we are quite familiar with your disdain of us Americans. Do you have to turn every discussion into an "Americans are wrong" thread? It's a Midlands thing, in my experience. The farther you go from cosmopolitan London and environs, the more intolerant some people become about language and customs different from those in their own square meters of experience. (I have family in that part of the UK.) Edited November 8, 2022 by Kay S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VibeGuy Posted November 8, 2022 #113 Share Posted November 8, 2022 It’s related to both entrée and relevé. We’ve become soft in our ability to tolerate alternating courses. ;0) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 8, 2022 #114 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Kay S said: It's a Midlands thing, in my experience. The farther you go from cosmopolitan London and environs, the more intolerant some people become about language and customs different from those in their own square meters of experience. (I have family in that part of the UK.) I totally agree with you. Fortunately I don't live in the Midlands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 8, 2022 #115 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kay S said: It's a Midlands thing, in my experience. The farther you go from cosmopolitan London and environs, the more intolerant some people become about language and customs different from those in their own square meters of experience. (I have family in that part of the UK.) Duplicate reply. Edited November 8, 2022 by wowzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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