Leomins Posted February 26, 2023 #151 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On the odd occasion we have afternoon tea, it is instead of lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted February 26, 2023 #152 Share Posted February 26, 2023 12 hours ago, wowzz said: Not sure if I understand your rationale. All businesses need to maximise their profits. Put simply, that means increasing prices, or reducing costs. So, Harrods, Claridges etc increase prices, because their clientele do not care. Mass market companies, like P&O do not have that luxury, so they need to cut costs so as to still offer prices that are attractive to the mass market, but at the same time maintain their overall profitability . Therefore they have to reduce costs. Blimey, I'm going back in time to when I had to produce my annual departmental budget ! Absolutely right but I guess the other thing that has come into play with P&O is that they have repositioned themselves in the market over the years. When I first cruised with them in 1997, they were closer to a luxury brand than than a mass-market brand. A bit like Harrods turning into Debenhams... Obviously I appreciate that prices have been adjusted accordingly. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted February 26, 2023 #153 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Interestedcruisefan said: I normally love the thought of afternoon tea on a non cruise holiday On my current Arvia holiday I'm genuinely struggling to eat breakfast, lunch, dinner and fitting a mid afternoon snack in despite starting the day with breakfast at either 6.30am in the buffet and/or 7am at Quays I feel guilty eating the snack mid afternoon as it is What do you guys sacrifice to be able to eat afternoon tea? Or do you manage to eat all of the above and afternoon tea as well? I would have a very light lunch and afternoon tea would comprise a scone (with jam & cream of course) and maybe one small cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted February 26, 2023 #154 Share Posted February 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, Britboys said: Absolutely right but I guess the other thing that has come into play with P&O is that they have repositioned themselves in the market over the years. When I first cruised with them in 1997, they were closer to a luxury brand than than a mass-market brand. A bit like Harrods turning into Debenhams... Obviously I appreciate that prices have been adjusted accordingly. I think your succinct statement about sums the position up. It's a very different P&O Cruises now, which will no longer suit many - but will better suit even more. And that's likely to be the more profitable route. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted February 26, 2023 #155 Share Posted February 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: I think your succinct statement about sums the position up. It's a very different P&O Cruises now, which will no longer suit many - but will better suit even more. And that's likely to be the more profitable route. Indeed Harry. Their market strategy is no doubt the right one to grow the business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkbiiii Posted February 26, 2023 #156 Share Posted February 26, 2023 13 hours ago, wowzz said: Done what ? Increased prices and downgraded service, food, & entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Hill Posted February 26, 2023 #157 Share Posted February 26, 2023 48 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: I think your succinct statement about sums the position up. It's a very different P&O Cruises now, which will no longer suit many - but will better suit even more. And that's likely to be the more profitable route. Let’s hope P&O don’t end up like Debenhams by going bust and ceasing to exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted February 26, 2023 #158 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, gkbiiii said: Increased prices and downgraded service, food, & entertainment. In real terms, prices are cheaper than ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkbiiii Posted February 26, 2023 #159 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, wowzz said: In real terms, prices are cheaper than ever. No the're not, your fooled by corporate speak. Edited February 26, 2023 by gkbiiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted February 26, 2023 #160 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, gkbiiii said: No the're not, your fooled by corporate speak. Evidence please ! Find me a P&O Carribean fly/cruise from the year 2000 costing less than £1500, taking inflation into account. Edited February 26, 2023 by wowzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted February 26, 2023 #161 Share Posted February 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, wowzz said: In real terms, prices are cheaper than ever. For those who are lucky enough to be able to avoid the school holidays, the big P&O ships are certainly offering some very cheap cruises. Prices are remaining high on the adult only ships, probably due to the number of traditionalists who don’t like anything bigger. I guess the older passenger profile on the small ships also helps, as retired folk are generally less affected by the cost of living crisis than those with mortgages and dependent children. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted February 26, 2023 #162 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Harry Peterson said: I think your succinct statement about sums the position up. It's a very different P&O Cruises now, which will no longer suit many - but will better suit even more. And that's likely to be the more profitable route. The age profile on Iona's current cruise is little different to our first P&O cruise in 2006, and most seem to be enjoying their experience. So if this continues I guess those who have been forecasting that P&O might struggle to fill the bigger ships could be proved wrong, despite no evening turn down, no afternoon tea in the MDR and entertainment aimed at a younger clientele. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted February 26, 2023 #163 Share Posted February 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: The age profile on Iona's current cruise is little different to our first P&O cruise in 2006, and most seem to be enjoying their experience. So if this continues I guess those who have been forecasting that P&O might struggle to fill the bigger ships could be proved wrong, despite no evening turn down, no afternoon tea in the MDR and entertainment aimed at a younger clientele. They will always fill them if the price is low enough. I’m not convinced that the business plan predicted having to sell cruises as cheaply as they currently doing though. Supply and demand seems to be working in the customers favour at present. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaefell Posted February 26, 2023 #164 Share Posted February 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Selbourne said: They will always fill them if the price is low enough. I’m not convinced that the business plan predicted having to sell cruises as cheaply as they currently doing though. Supply and demand seems to be working in the customers favour at present. Indeed,seeing a 7 night cruise to Norway advertised at £499 surely can't be bad value for money,how much is accommodation in Norway,not cheap last time I looked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy afloat Posted February 26, 2023 #165 Share Posted February 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, snaefell said: Indeed,seeing a 7 night cruise to Norway advertised at £499 surely can't be bad value for money,how much is accommodation in Norway,not cheap last time I looked! That's about the price of one Norwegian afternoon tea! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted February 26, 2023 #166 Share Posted February 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, snaefell said: Indeed,seeing a 7 night cruise to Norway advertised at £499 surely can't be bad value for money,how much is accommodation in Norway,not cheap last time I looked! And the recent 7 night Canaries fly-cruises at £464 including the flight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted February 26, 2023 #167 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 hours ago, gkbiiii said: Increased prices and downgraded service, food, & entertainment. Untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionboard Posted February 26, 2023 #168 Share Posted February 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Britboys said: And the recent 7 night Canaries fly-cruises at £464 including the flight... Flight must cost them very little otherwise how do they make any profit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted February 26, 2023 #169 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, gkbiiii said: No the're not, your fooled by corporate speak. Of course they are. We are not paying anywhere near what we paid for our first cruise in 2001. Some cruises in the past 5 years have been 25% down on that first cruise. Pppn. In fact we have only paid more when in a suite and that was only just over what we paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted February 26, 2023 #170 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, daiB said: Of course they are. We are not paying anywhere near what we paid for our first cruise in 2001. Some cruises in the past 5 years have been 25% down on that first cruise. Pppn. In fact we have only paid more when in a suite and that was only just over what we paid. Thank you Dai. However I feel your response will be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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