Faulty panels declared a fire hazard for 45 ships.

[JRG]

1 hour ago, JRG said:

45 divided by 320 = 14 percent,  when rounded down,   so the estimate may be close to 15% if their estimate of 320 ships is accurate. 

 

If your mileage varies here on how many cruise ships operate globally, no problem, just insert your own value and you get yourown  estimate.   That's all.   It would be chasing a rabbit hole to try and argue over a number that everybody would accept.   A reasonable ballpark estimate is fine for these purposes.

 

Ifs a question of immateriality, because anything in or near the 10-15% range is troublesome,

[mcrcruiser]

6 minutes ago, JRG said:

 

You raised a valid point but you lost me at &.  I too though am hoping this is minor and we will soon hear something more.  Maybe they just have to re-step thru the certification process and find something that was overlooked or omitted and it can be rectified appropriately and a communication plan to fix the problem be shared with stakeholders.

 

For cruiselines, the problem is magnified if one particular cruiseline is hit harder than another and that seems likely given the uniformity of cabin panels within a given ship or class.  So while some lines may be worried is this is a bigger problem; some lines like HAL and NCL may be dancing in the boardrooms,   because it would be a significant OPPORTUNITY for those lines to pickup share.

 

For cruisers,  the problem is that we could get another kick in the gut if you are holding cruise and airline and hotel tickets and all the planning and research time. 

 

So the distribution of which lines are affected could be figured out by finding out from the vendors who have the 'uncertified' panels in place.   (i,.e, who were their customers at the time of the cert)

Hopefully it is not major because then it becomes a rush on the bank as soon as people start finding out  and nobody wants to see that. (again)

 

Its a holding pattern but really hoping its minor.

 

 

A lot of info posted here is not based on facts per  cruise line &  ships with in that cruise line . Rather than people guessing 'speculating what & when can we all wait & see what actually is revealed by proper authorities & the cruise line management  ? 

[Guest ldtr]

55 minutes ago, JRG said:

 

If your mileage varies here on how many cruise ships operate globally, no problem, just insert your own value and you get yourown  estimate.   That's all.   It would be chasing a rabbit hole to try and argue over a number that everybody would accept.   A reasonable ballpark estimate is fine for these purposes.

 

Ifs a question of immateriality, because anything in or near the 10-15% range is troublesome,

Not really. Even if was 100%. There is no information what the exact failure was. So far the only impact was a line not accepting a new ship until it was fixed. Clearly that was the thing to do because the buyer would want all problems fixed before accepting and certifying the vessel.

 

If it is really serious the licensing authorities and insurance will certainly require action to be taken quickly. If it is relatively minor then it will still be fixed but will vanish from the news because not much to report.

 

Kind of like fire resistant doors for land based construction. A 60 minute door must be able to withstand 1925 f for the full 60 minutes to be considered a 60 minute door. if it fails at 59 minutes the impact is negligible, but it is not a 60 minute door and cannot be sold as such.

 

In this case even the most minute failure of testing is enough to lose certification, even if the failure is a small deviation from the standard.

 

The appropriate authorities that do have access to the information will be putting together their requirements, That may or may not impact one or more ships.  Since this was a product from a reputable manufacturer  I am leaning more to it will not be that major of an impact that is noticeable to customers. Other than delivery of ships that have not yet been accepted by the buyer.

Edited July 14, 2023 by ldtr