danv3 Posted October 26, 2023 #701 Share Posted October 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, cruiseboy89130 said: There were always 2 phases... nothing new! The deployment schedule doesn't seem to reflect Europe being in two phases. https://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2025_2026/2025-2026_Deployment_Opening_Schedule.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelitino Posted October 27, 2023 #702 Share Posted October 27, 2023 5 hours ago, danv3 said: The deployment schedule doesn't seem to reflect Europe being in two phases. https://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2025_2026/2025-2026_Deployment_Opening_Schedule.pdf The deployment schedule is more like a carrot at the end of the rope. As soon as we get close, they move it. 😝 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted October 27, 2023 #703 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, SummmerInKefalonia said: So after the events at the israel they seem to wait and release europe in two phases. First phase: Allure, Odyssey, Independence & Explorer. Second phase: Voyager & Brilliance. Where are you seeing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted October 27, 2023 #704 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, cruiseboy89130 said: There were always 2 phases... nothing new! All 6 ships were on the initial schedule for Europe release on Nov 8th. I have not seen any changes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Eyed Belfast Belle Posted October 27, 2023 #705 Share Posted October 27, 2023 15 hours ago, RedOaks said: Teeara...which sailing of Allure were you pricing? We just sailed her in September but booked it almost two years back the day it opened for booking and had a great price and a wonderful cruise. I do agree with everyone that prices appear to be increasing faster than inflation. I read somewhere that since 2019 cruise fares have increased 43% and I must agree with that assessment. I too am looking for a transatlantic and would love to sail on the Allure again....price dependent. Royal may price me out of the market. I have looked at Holland and Celebrity and their pricing is skyrocketing as well. It's crazy. With RCI posting $1bn in profit they can hardly use the excuse for higher prices for reduced services much longer. Yes...I know they took out loans during the shutdown but surely those repayments would be taken into account before posting their profit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipfriend_max Posted October 27, 2023 #706 Share Posted October 27, 2023 14 hours ago, SummmerInKefalonia said: So after the events at the israel they seem to wait and release europe in two phases. First phase: Allure, Odyssey, Independence & Explorer. Second phase: Voyager & Brilliance. How you know that it will be only these ships? And Brilliance out of Amsterdam or Limassol? Because there’s port listings for her in Limassol, Amsterdam and even Reykjavik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedOaks Posted October 27, 2023 #707 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Blue Eyed Belfast Belle said: With RCI posting $1bn in profit they can hardly use the excuse for higher prices for reduced services much longer. Yes...I know they took out loans during the shutdown but surely those repayments would be taken into account before posting their profit Correct me if I am wrong but that $1 Billion in profit was for the third quarter alone. Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted October 27, 2023 #708 Share Posted October 27, 2023 46 minutes ago, shipfriend_max said: How you know that it will be only these ships? And Brilliance out of Amsterdam or Limassol? Because there’s port listings for her in Limassol, Amsterdam and even Reykjavik. Those are the 6 ships that were posted for the European release on Nov 8th. I posted that a while back. It was an memo that was sent to TA's by Royal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrateslife4me84 Posted October 27, 2023 #709 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Blue Eyed Belfast Belle said: With RCI posting $1bn in profit they can hardly use the excuse for higher prices for reduced services much longer. Yes...I know they took out loans during the shutdown but surely those repayments would be taken into account before posting their profit Now it’s simple economics. With this demand, why on earth would they increase service or decrease fares? Apparently, we’d pay $2k per person for a week whether they serve steak or chicken nuggets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Teeara Posted October 27, 2023 #710 Share Posted October 27, 2023 17 hours ago, RedOaks said: Teeara...which sailing of Allure were you pricing? We just sailed her in September but booked it almost two years back the day it opened for booking and had a great price and a wonderful cruise. I do agree with everyone that prices appear to be increasing faster than inflation. I read somewhere that since 2019 cruise fares have increased 43% and I must agree with that assessment. I too am looking for a transatlantic and would love to sail on the Allure again....price dependent. Royal may price me out of the market. I have looked at Holland and Celebrity and their pricing is skyrocketing as well. It's crazy. I was able to access the dummy cruise they briefly had open on the website for a 7 night European cruise. We’re still planning on booking the WB TA on Allure. We were supposed to be on her last year before moving us to Wonder. We booked that 2022 TA the day it opened for booking and got a great rate, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrateslife4me84 Posted October 27, 2023 #711 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Teeara said: I was able to access the dummy cruise they briefly had open on the website for a 7 night European cruise. We’re still planning on booking the WB TA on Allure. We were supposed to be on her last year before moving us to Wonder. We booked that 2022 TA the day it opened for booking and got a great rate, too. We also got one of the super cheap “we are desperate because we aren’t allowed to sail yet” Allure 2022 Europe cruises (after delaying Allure 2020 to Harmony 2021 to Allure 2022) and got upgraded to Wonder for free. Won’t be seeing that kind of fare for a long time, I don’t think! Edited October 27, 2023 by pyrateslife4me84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Teeara Posted October 27, 2023 #712 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, pyrateslife4me84 said: We also got one of the super cheap “we are desperate because we aren’t allowed to sail yet” Allure 2022 Europe cruises (after delaying Allure 2020 to Harmony 2021 to Allure 2022) and got upgraded to Wonder for free. Won’t be seeing that kind of fare for a long time, I don’t think! Agreed. I did appreciate that they kept the Allure pricing when they switched us to Wonder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted October 27, 2023 #713 Share Posted October 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Teeara said: Agreed. I did appreciate that they kept the Allure pricing when they switched us to Wonder. We both definitely scored there! 🙂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Baltic Posted October 27, 2023 #714 Share Posted October 27, 2023 European test cruises for 2025 are back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Teeara Posted October 27, 2023 #715 Share Posted October 27, 2023 55 minutes ago, island lady said: We both definitely scored there! 🙂 Major! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Eyed Belfast Belle Posted October 27, 2023 #716 Share Posted October 27, 2023 This is what I can see...price in GBP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipfriend_max Posted October 27, 2023 #717 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: Those are the 6 ships that were posted for the European release on Nov 8th. I posted that a while back. It was an memo that was sent to TA's by Royal and which home port for Brilliance? Amsterdam or Limassol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted October 27, 2023 #718 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, shipfriend_max said: and which home port for Brilliance? Amsterdam or Limassol? The e mail did not state which ports for which ships. Only the ships that were part pf each deployment release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Teeara Posted October 27, 2023 #719 Share Posted October 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, Blue Eyed Belfast Belle said: This is what I can see...price in GBP I was able to access the Allure sailing again. Price is down a bit, but only junior suites showing and again, ouch! Nearly $5K USD for a junior suite on a 7 day sailing. Sure hope these amounts drop dramatically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted October 27, 2023 #720 Share Posted October 27, 2023 37 minutes ago, shipfriend_max said: and which home port for Brilliance? Amsterdam or Limassol? This is what I expect based on port bookings, but recent events in Israel may have changed that. Amsterdam (May to August) Haifa, Israel (August to October) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbeyg Posted October 27, 2023 #721 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Blue Eyed Belfast Belle said: With RCI posting $1bn in profit they can hardly use the excuse for higher prices for reduced services much longer. Yes...I know they took out loans during the shutdown but surely those repayments would be taken into account before posting their profit They still have $20B in debt, most of that long-term debt, so that isn't accounted for on a current P&L statement. Only the current debt payments are reflected in the profit and loss statement. With Liberty at the helm, he will beat that 'dead horse' of debt until it is totally gone.....then beat it some more for profits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedOaks Posted October 27, 2023 #722 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, barbeyg said: They still have $20B in debt, most of that long-term debt, so that isn't accounted for on a current P&L statement. Only the current debt payments are reflected in the profit and loss statement. With Liberty at the helm, he will beat that 'dead horse' of debt until it is totally gone.....then beat it some more for profits. In that case RCCL can be debt free in 5 years as long as the financials stay the same. Stop building new ships and maybe they can be debt free earlier. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Baltic Posted October 27, 2023 #723 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, RedOaks said: In that case RCCL can be debt free in 5 years as long as the financials stay the same. Stop building new ships and maybe they can be debt free earlier. Between increasing prices, decreasing quality/service and potential reducing loyalty recognition, there won’t be customers in 5 years IMO. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipfriend_max Posted October 27, 2023 #724 Share Posted October 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, Jumping Cruiser said: This is what I expect based on port bookings, but recent events in Israel may have changed that. Amsterdam (May to August) Haifa, Israel (August to October) She is booked in Limassol throughout summer 2025 now. so that’s why I was asking if someone knows CONCRETELY if she’s doing both Amsterdam and Haifa or just one port? Maybe Limassol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted October 27, 2023 #725 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Teeara said: I was able to access the Allure sailing again. Price is down a bit, but only junior suites showing and again, ouch! Nearly $5K USD for a junior suite on a 7 day sailing. Sure hope these amounts drop dramatically. Teerara...I booked that same cabin I had on our TA (and including our B2B we did in the Med prior) for my B2B coming up this Sunday. Much pricier for this one of course (with no price protection from cancelled Allure) but each leg 7K and 8K. Expected a higher price of course. Decided to check into another B2B for this same time next year...same cabin. Now almost 12K for each leg. Yikes!!! 😨 Nope...pass on that. Ended up on little Enchantment 9 night in a GS out of Tampa at this same time next year. 5K. Yeah, not same ship in the least...but yeowch!! $$$$ 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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