Rare KarmaCruisers Posted October 9, 2023 #1 Share Posted October 9, 2023 So we’re on the Celebration right now; NO WiFi package..and we’re able to use iMessage without a problem (both to text our friends on this ship AND people back home) ALSO, notifications are coming through for emails(gmail) and slack. I can’t actually open the specific apps to see them; BUT, on my Lock Screen I see the notifications perfectly (it’s how I have it setup so I can see slacks and emails from my Lock Screen) but my Home Screen icons also show the number of new emails I’m getting. the weird part is, the WiFi (my wife has it) works GREAT! (25Mbps)..so I wonder if carnival neteng fouled up a setting, when they were going in and allowing less throttling; they ALSO inadvertently toggled on to allow some other things to come through. in any case; it’s a good surprise.. just posting for others info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highSeas22 Posted October 9, 2023 #2 Share Posted October 9, 2023 So you don't have wifi but your wife does and it works great? Is that what you are saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allinwonderland Posted October 10, 2023 #3 Share Posted October 10, 2023 The notifications thing happened to me the last time I was on the Panorama (after it had gotten Starlink) so that might be a system-wide thing. I couldn't, however, send or receive any iMessages, though I'd had hopes of doing so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted October 10, 2023 #4 Share Posted October 10, 2023 This is reported on here every so often. It's how push notifications work on iPhone. If Carnival wants the Hub app to be able to receive notifications (such as your table is ready or chat notifications), they have to allow all notifications. And iMessage uses the same protocol as push notifications, so those have to come through as well. Like you said though even though you have a notification from Gmail, you can't open the app and read the email because Carnival is able to block the web from working without a paid plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KarmaCruisers Posted October 10, 2023 Author #5 Share Posted October 10, 2023 10 hours ago, mz-s said: This is reported on here every so often. It's how push notifications work on iPhone. If Carnival wants the Hub app to be able to receive notifications (such as your table is ready or chat notifications), they have to allow all notifications. And iMessage uses the same protocol as push notifications, so those have to come through as well. Like you said though even though you have a notification from Gmail, you can't open the app and read the email because Carnival is able to block the web from working without a paid plan. Interesting; as a network engineer; I would assume it’d be all internal network traffic (for the hub app to work) but maybe they don’t have an “internal” network vs “prod” facing network. also; the wife has the WiFi package and is getting a consistent 30Mbps. with this notifications loophole; I’m actually able to respond to work without having to pay for it..kinda neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted October 11, 2023 #6 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, KarmaCruisers said: Interesting; as a network engineer; I would assume it’d be all internal network traffic (for the hub app to work) but maybe they don’t have an “internal” network vs “prod” facing network. also; the wife has the WiFi package and is getting a consistent 30Mbps. with this notifications loophole; I’m actually able to respond to work without having to pay for it..kinda neat. I don't know the specifics of Apple's push notification service but I know there are on-device notifications, I don't know if it's possible (or even feasible) for Carnival to run their own push notification service on the ship. It's probably just easier for them to allow the traffic, but throttle it severely, so it's basically only usable for push notifications and as a side effect, text-only iMessage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman11 Posted October 11, 2023 #7 Share Posted October 11, 2023 let me know if any free workarounds . lol ill be on her the next trip. i did know about getting some notifications , id be weary of charges through imessage though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpacker Posted October 11, 2023 #8 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 hours ago, KarmaCruisers said: Interesting; as a network engineer; I would assume it’d be all internal network traffic (for the hub app to work) but maybe they don’t have an “internal” network vs “prod” facing network. also; the wife has the WiFi package and is getting a consistent 30Mbps. with this notifications loophole; I’m actually able to respond to work without having to pay for it..kinda neat. on my last cruise it would work for a while then go out...it seemed to be a certain number of messages then it completely went away. i got a 24 hour wifi pass after that... after it went away i had imessages working for a while even though nothing else worked. again it seemed to be a certain number of messages (it wasn't time oriented) and then it died again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Beach Bum Posted October 11, 2023 #9 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Seems to be hit or miss being able to iMessage without an Internet plan. We’ve had more hits than misses the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ohioNCLcruiser Posted October 11, 2023 #10 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I think them allowing notifications to come through at times (error or not) is a great marketing move to get more people to buy the internet. If someone hasn't purchased it but suddenly got emails and messages they might want to reply to then I bet they purchase a package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLHyatt Posted October 11, 2023 #11 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I've had it work with facebook messenger in the past, pre-starlink existance. It seemed like it would happen overnight where I would receive the messages for the day, then replies to those would go out the next night. My guess was they allowed many things through in a window where they opened up service due to one system process or another overnight daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheckersMidwest Posted October 12, 2023 #12 Share Posted October 12, 2023 We've always been able to imessage. Occasionally, facebook messenger as well. With the phone in Airplane mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard_eight Posted October 12, 2023 #13 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Same on Android with the notifications...obviously no imessage 🤢😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman11 Posted October 14, 2023 #14 Share Posted October 14, 2023 i use to buy per day , and only seadays , it was $10 per 24 hours, anyone know it its gone up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezal Posted October 14, 2023 #15 Share Posted October 14, 2023 2 hours ago, seaman11 said: i use to buy per day , and only seadays , it was $10 per 24 hours, anyone know it its gone up? Inflation https://www.carnival.com/internet-plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KarmaCruisers Posted October 14, 2023 Author #16 Share Posted October 14, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 9:00 PM, mpacker said: on my last cruise it would work for a while then go out...it seemed to be a certain number of messages then it completely went away. i got a 24 hour wifi pass after that... after it went away i had imessages working for a while even though nothing else worked. again it seemed to be a certain number of messages (it wasn't time oriented) and then it died again. I can verify this…but it’s only my phone. Our cruise friends in the next cabin, have been working fine the entire time…I think it’s GOTTA be based on data usage (I get a LOT of push notifications from work emails/slack/calendar/etc) and it goes on what must be a DHCP lease..as it’ll go away for a few hours then come back and barf up all my notifications, and once again allow me to iMessage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderguy8 Posted October 17, 2023 #17 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I am going to throw this out there as a possible reason how this would happen. By any chance do you have T-Mobile as your carrier? My wife and I were Sprint customers who wanted to change plans and were forced to close out our Sprint account and open a new T-Mobile account. We have been on two cruises since then, on two different cruise lines so it is not solely a Carnival situation, and we would both get email notifications and she would get Facebook and YouTube notifications as well. I cant remember if she could use Facebook messenger or not. These notifications only started happening after we switched to the T-Mobile plan and have been wondering if it was carrier-specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrina5zunoi3 Posted June 21 #18 Share Posted June 21 (edited) On 10/17/2023 at 4:55 PM, Raiderguy8 said: I am going to throw this out there as a possible reason how this would happen. By any chance do you have T-Mobile as your carrier? My wife and I were Sprint customers who wanted to change plans and were forced to close out our Sprint account and open a new T-Mobile account. We have been on two cruises since then, on two different cruise lines so it is not solely a Carnival situation, and we would both get email notifications and she would get Facebook and YouTube notifications as well. I cant remember if she could use Facebook messenger or not. These notifications only started happening after we switched to the T-Mobile plan and have been wondering if it was carrier-specific. Network communications and the Internet in general can be configured differently. I think you have everything set up so that iMessage goes through, everything else doesn’t. I know a lot about network security key, I read https://moonlock.com/network-security-key here about it. If there are any problems, please write to me personally. If you go deeper, the problem may also be with caching. Most likely, you and your wife's devices are connected to different network segments. Edited June 21 by sabrina5zunoi3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknoge3k Posted June 21 #19 Share Posted June 21 FYI this worked on other lines as well, for a while. Norwegian just fixed this loophole last week on the Joy, and I'd imagine fleetwide. I'd imagine Carnival will be fixing this soon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasdan Posted June 21 #20 Share Posted June 21 On our last cruise it worked for the first 2 days and then stopped working. On our previous cruise it worked on my phone the whole time buy my niece's phone didn't work. I think Carnival is trying to close this loop hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayjaypea42 Posted June 21 #21 Share Posted June 21 Has anyone been able to work with VPN or zscaler successfully on Starlink? I'm jonesing for a cruise, but I'd rather not take the PTO for all the days if I can help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KarmaCruisers Posted June 21 Author #22 Share Posted June 21 3 minutes ago, kayjaypea42 said: Has anyone been able to work with VPN or zscaler successfully on Starlink? I'm jonesing for a cruise, but I'd rather not take the PTO for all the days if I can help it. On carnival yes; I was banging out 100Mbps (off vpn) but I don’t think it’s StarLink…or if it is, oddly Princess *also* has StarLink and all you’ll get on a princess ship is about 4Mbps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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