Toddcan Posted August 7 #26 Share Posted August 7 2 hours ago, chengkp75 said: To answer questions about the boat, while the local coast guards would be notified, since the boat is abandoned (no one left onboard), under international salvage laws, the first person to step onboard now owns it. Thanks for this - very interesting. Curious though - someone on board would be the capt and or crew - I suppose having been "caught" , they would rather abandon the ship than claim responsibility? Someone owns it, but perhaps it was stolen. Interesting situation - this looks like a nice boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted August 7 Author #27 Share Posted August 7 4 hours ago, chengkp75 said: To answer questions about the boat, while the local coast guards would be notified, since the boat is abandoned (no one left onboard), under international salvage laws, the first person to step onboard now owns it. Wow. It was a very nice sailboat. We guess atleast a 250k boat. Looked in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another_Critic Posted August 7 #28 Share Posted August 7 Why did they need rescued? Engine trouble? No fuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddie Posted August 7 #29 Share Posted August 7 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Another_Critic said: Why did they need rescued? Engine trouble? No fuel? Oh, come on. Refugees clearly, as also stated by the OP. Why do you think 70+ people cram into a small vessel risking life and limb? Teddie Edited August 7 by teddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 7 #30 Share Posted August 7 6 minutes ago, teddie said: Oh, come on. Refugees clearly, as also stated by the OP. Why do you think 70+ people cram into a small vessel risking life and limb? Teddie But the question is still valid. Even if they are refugees, why did they need to be taken off the boat? Were their lives in danger? Unless their lives are in danger, the ship has no responsibility to "rescue" them, and I question whether a national agency would direct the ship to take them onboard. Lots of refugees make a complete voyage and make landfall in their destination. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketsunlimited Posted August 7 #31 Share Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: But the question is still valid. Even if they are refugees, why did they need to be taken off the boat? Were their lives in danger? Unless their lives are in danger, the ship has no responsibility to "rescue" them, and I question whether a national agency would direct the ship to take them onboard. Lots of refugees make a complete voyage and make landfall in their destination. Agree. Unfortunately they will probably be sent right back to where they started without a boat and the money they paid for transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another_Critic Posted August 7 #32 Share Posted August 7 18 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: But the question is still valid. Even if they are refugees, why did they need to be taken off the boat? Were their lives in danger? Unless their lives are in danger, the ship has no responsibility to "rescue" them, and I question whether a national agency would direct the ship to take them onboard. Lots of refugees make a complete voyage and make landfall in their destination. Thank you. I was wondering why there would be a rescue of a sea worthy vessel, if in fact it was seaworthy. Did they put out a distress call or signal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted August 7 #33 Share Posted August 7 43 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: But the question is still valid. Even if they are refugees, why did they need to be taken off the boat? Were their lives in danger? Unless their lives are in danger, the ship has no responsibility to "rescue" them, and I question whether a national agency would direct the ship to take them onboard. Lots of refugees make a complete voyage and make landfall in their destination. Officials would not tell a passenger ship to intercept just because they were refugees, would they? Seems that ships and companies could refuse that order. So it would seem that there would have had to have been a distress call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 7 #34 Share Posted August 7 15 minutes ago, alfaeric said: Officials would not tell a passenger ship to intercept just because they were refugees, would they? Seems that ships and companies could refuse that order. So it would seem that there would have had to have been a distress call. We used to be directed to the site of reported refugees from Cuba in the waters south of Florida by the USCG many times, but unless the Captain determined that their lives were in danger, we were directed to merely stay on station and await the arrival of a cutter. So, the ship could have been directed to the boat to determine what condition they were in, but unless the refugees requested assistance for dangerous situation, the ship is not required to give assistance. Remember, that while everyone knows that "since the Titanic, a ship must provide assistance to those at risk at sea", they don't know that the law says that the Captain of the ship is not required to offer assistance if doing so risks the ship, crew, cargo, passengers, or the environment in the Captain's SOLE opinion. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted August 7 #35 Share Posted August 7 6 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: We used to be directed to the site of reported refugees from Cuba in the waters south of Florida by the USCG many times, but unless the Captain determined that their lives were in danger, we were directed to merely stay on station and await the arrival of a cutter. So, the ship could have been directed to the boat to determine what condition they were in, but unless the refugees requested assistance for dangerous situation, the ship is not required to give assistance. Remember, that while everyone knows that "since the Titanic, a ship must provide assistance to those at risk at sea", they don't know that the law says that the Captain of the ship is not required to offer assistance if doing so risks the ship, crew, cargo, passengers, or the environment in the Captain's SOLE opinion. So either there was a distress call or the Ships Master concluded that they required assistance and the impact on the passengers and crew was worth it. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 7 #36 Share Posted August 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, alfaeric said: So either there was a distress call or the Ships Master concluded that they required assistance and the impact on the passengers and crew was worth it. Right? Yes. Actually, both would have to have happened. Just because someone issues a distress call, does not mean a ship's Captain has to render assistance. A lot would depend on how close other assets (naval vessels, coast guard) were to the scene. Edited August 7 by chengkp75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragontrainer Posted August 7 #37 Share Posted August 7 It doesn't give significant details, but the story I saw that discussed this used the term "...in a sailboat in distress". They also note the sailboat was initially spotted by a cargo ship and the (here unnamed) cruise ship was part of a coordinated effort by Greece. According to this story, it was not the case that Odyssey happened upon them and took action but were routed to the location, and I assume Odyssey's captain then made a determination to carry out the rescue. Cruise ship rescues 77 migrants in sailing boat found southwest of Greece - ABC News (go.com) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted August 8 Author #38 Share Posted August 8 11 hours ago, Another_Critic said: Why did they need rescued? Engine trouble? No fuel? They didn’t know how to sail the sail boat. And we’re in a major shipping channel. The coyotes that were on the boat were no longer on. They had taken off in the night on a smaller dinghy. Is what Ive heard. leaving them in danger of being hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted August 8 Author #39 Share Posted August 8 21 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Yes. Actually, both would have to have happened. Just because someone issues a distress call, does not mean a ship's Captain has to render assistance. A lot would depend on how close other assets (naval vessels, coast guard) were to the scene. Interesting information. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted August 9 #40 Share Posted August 9 On 8/6/2024 at 8:53 AM, SB9 said: Crew here on Odyssey is amazing. I think Odessey is a great ship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another_Critic Posted August 9 #41 Share Posted August 9 3 hours ago, Ocean Boy said: I think Odessey is a great ship. Are you going to sail her from Cape Liberty after I bring her over from Civitavecchia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcur Posted August 9 #42 Share Posted August 9 On 8/7/2024 at 9:07 AM, chengkp75 said: But the question is still valid. Even if they are refugees, why did they need to be taken off the boat? Were their lives in danger? Unless their lives are in danger, the ship has no responsibility to "rescue" them, and I question whether a national agency would direct the ship to take them onboard. Lots of refugees make a complete voyage and make landfall in their destination. I think if we all take a good look at the photo, we can see the sailboat was very overcrowded. So sanitary conditions must have been pretty bad, and food/water supplies very iffy. I think they were in danger. RCCL has traditionally not based their decision on the fact that "lots of refugees" make a complete voyage. They see an overcrowded sailboat not moving, and they help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scurvy Pirate Posted August 9 #43 Share Posted August 9 (edited) On 8/7/2024 at 5:30 AM, chengkp75 said: To answer questions about the boat, while the local coast guards would be notified, since the boat is abandoned (no one left onboard), under international salvage laws, the first person to step onboard now owns it. Where be the cooridinates again? Edited August 9 by The Scurvy Pirate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 9 #44 Share Posted August 9 3 hours ago, pcur said: I think if we all take a good look at the photo, we can see the sailboat was very overcrowded. So sanitary conditions must have been pretty bad, and food/water supplies very iffy. I think they were in danger. Were they in danger? Maybe. Were their lives in danger? Probably not. Overcrowding is subjective, as this doesn't look any more crowded than a lifeboat. Sanitary conditions are not life threatening, there is always the "blue toilet" (over the side into the ocean). How long have they been without food/water, if at all? I don't recall how far the boat was from land, so I can't say whether they could have survived until landfall. 3 hours ago, pcur said: RCCL has traditionally not based their decision on the fact that "lots of refugees" make a complete voyage. They see an overcrowded sailboat not moving, and they help. And you know how they base their decisions, how? They will not necessarily stop and help just because they see a problem, as this can cause economic problems for them. They may call the coast guard to report it, but they won't "rescue" people without being instructed by a government agency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcur Posted August 9 #45 Share Posted August 9 53 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: Were they in danger? Maybe. Were their lives in danger? Probably not. Overcrowding is subjective, as this doesn't look any more crowded than a lifeboat. Sanitary conditions are not life threatening, there is always the "blue toilet" (over the side into the ocean). How long have they been without food/water, if at all? I don't recall how far the boat was from land, so I can't say whether they could have survived until landfall. And you know how they base their decisions, how? They will not necessarily stop and help just because they see a problem, as this can cause economic problems for them. They may call the coast guard to report it, but they won't "rescue" people without being instructed by a government agency. I'm basing my posts on 51 years of sailing with RCCL, and seeing on and off ships how they handle various situations where people in areas where they sail need help. Whether it's a joint agreement with a government agency or not, RCCL is known for stepping up in my half century of doing business with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted August 10 #46 Share Posted August 10 13 hours ago, Another_Critic said: Are you going to sail her from Cape Liberty after I bring her over from Civitavecchia? I need to see what itineraries she will be doing. Sailing out of NJ is not high on my bucket list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted August 10 Author #47 Share Posted August 10 5 hours ago, pcur said: I'm basing my posts on 51 years of sailing with RCCL, and seeing on and off ships how they handle various situations where people in areas where they sail need help. Whether it's a joint agreement with a government agency or not, RCCL is known for stepping up in my half century of doing business with them. 5 hours ago, pcur said: I'm basing my posts on 51 years of sailing with RCCL, and seeing on and off ships how they handle various situations where people in areas where they sail need help. Whether it's a joint agreement with a government agency or not, RCCL is known for stepping up in my half century of doing business with them. 6 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Were they in danger? Maybe. Were their lives in danger? Probably not. Overcrowding is subjective, as this doesn't look any more crowded than a lifeboat. Sanitary conditions are not life threatening, there is always the "blue toilet" (over the side into the ocean). How long have they been without food/water, if at all? I don't recall how far the boat was from land, so I can't say whether they could have survived until landfall. And you know how they base their decisions, how? They will not necessarily stop and help just because they see a problem, as this can cause economic problems for them. They may call the coast guard to report it, but they won't "rescue" people without being instructed by a government agency. the 77 people were in great shape. Clothes looked good. Some had cell phones. They had a video of the entire proses and they didn’t look bad at all. there were women. Kids and all the men looked well kept. the captain talked about the entire proses in the captains corner. And they showed video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted August 10 Author #48 Share Posted August 10 Oh. And they were from Syria Iran and Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB9 Posted August 10 #49 Share Posted August 10 7 hours ago, Cruise5life said: Oh. And they were from Syria Iran and Egypt. Thanks for the correction on my earlier post. I am looking forward to doing this itinerary again in the future. Amazing cruise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted August 10 #50 Share Posted August 10 11 hours ago, Ocean Boy said: I need to see what itineraries she will be doing. Sailing out of NJ is not high on my bucket list. Good chance she will be moving from NJ in March 2026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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