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Thoughts are that it doesn't matter what you think unless you are in management with a cruise company (just as it doesn't matter what I think).

They will make the policies, and we will decide to sail or not within those parameters. 

9 minutes ago, larrywizzit said:

. . . I feel that full protocols including social distancing should be applied throughout all cruise lines. Will this leave less room for passengers and hence higher prices? Yes, absolutely.

 

But as Covid is now endemic with doubtless future waves to come, everyone has to play a part in reducing the magnitude of said outbreaks and thusly the potential for more dangerous variants.

Considering the rock bottom prices being offered to casino players combined with the cheap offers for VIFP (we can cruise any week in September for less than $500/ 7 day trip), I'm not sure a higher price point will be considered. I just looked at Thanksgiving week prices out of Galveston and I can't believe how inexpensive they are.

Supply line issues seem to be getting worse again everywhere - everything from appliances to furniture to food items.

6 minutes ago, Cherries Jubilee said:

I don’t think the cruise director makes a big difference for me but that could be because I have never sailed with one of the favorites.

 

 I have only had Ryan Rose and Donkey on Carnival. They were both fine when I had them. The other cruise lines don’t put as much emphasis on who the cruise director is so I never knew their names.

 

Maybe Donkey was having an off trip, most of us weren’t there so we don’t know if OP is too easily offended or if Donkey went too far. 
 

Some of you are just as obsessed with not complaining as some people are with complaining.

 

I haven't seen anyone complain about the post - in fact, several have agreed with him. 🤷‍♂️

27 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Good, but let me explain my position more fully.

 

The question was who should be the priority for exemptions given that a cruise line has adopted the CDC 95% guideline. Should it be children under 12 who have no choice in the matter, or should it be adults who decided not to get vaccinated knowing there are consequences. No moral judgement there, just a simple choice of should adults take responsibility for their actions.

Personally, I have no issue with anyone (of any age) who is currently not able to receive the vaccine receiving an exemption. I agree that actions (or inactions) have consequences.

The reality is that it doesn't matter what you or I think. As far as Carnival goes, it's their world and we just live in it (or we stay ashore). They will exempt whoever and however many they wish - and we will choose to sail with those parameters or not.

2 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

I and others have said that adults make decisions and then have to live with the consequences of their decisions. Is that something you disagree with?

Nope.

21 minutes ago, funinthesun1964 said:

I like Dr. E, and the one from years ago who played the fiddle.  Those were the best I can remember off the top of my head.

That was Steve Cassel (spelling may be incorrect on his last name, though).

14 hours ago, Moviela said:

I don't look at the CD as an entertainer. I have sailed with Donkey and found he gave the announcements with a professional "voice", speaking clearly and slowly leaving no question in my mind what he was saying. The few times I saw him hosting an event he was engaging, personable, and did not allow any dead spots in the performances. 

 

I'd give Donkey a rating of A with five stars. An asset to the firm.

But some of them are. Steve Cassel (lots of people will have no idea who that is) was an entertainer. Lee Mason is most definitely an entertainer. A few CD's have left lasting impressions on me, but not many. We did enjoy Lee on the Sunshine a few years ago and he just happens to be the CD on the Panorama at this time so we are looking forward to that.

16 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

It matters because those under 12 did not choose not to get vaccinated. Adults made their decision and should be prepared to live with the consequences of their decision making. JMHO

Yes, I get that you and some others are morally opposed to allowing unvaccinated people to cruise. Carnival (along with the other cruise lines) has made their stance clear so you'll either have to come to terms with that or not. And I again point out that, from a safety standpoint, you cannot be in a crowd of 2000 people anywhere else and be assured that 95% of that population is vaccinated.

6 minutes ago, tallnthensome said:

Maybe but I doubt that would be grounds for discrimination  ….. and I nor most everyone else’s health should not be compromised on the ship or in port because of another individual who supposedly can’t be vaccinated. They should vacation somewhere else where vaccines aren’t required. Their problem should not be the problem of everyone else. 

I fail to see, if one is on a 95% vaccinated cruise, why it matters how old the 5% are. We shall agree to disagree on this one.

1 minute ago, heath1414 said:

That was just a thought, but some guidance on exactly where we could go would have been nice. Maybe even a nationwide chain like Walgreens or CVS that was partnered with them and understood the time sensitivity that it has. I'm my area, at the moment, it seems like I'm shouldn't have trouble getting an appointment and getting our results back in time. But it's not like that everywhere. 

I would think that higher priority for time sensitivity is actual symptomatic and exposed people, not us trying to go on a luxury vacation - but that's just me. 😏

4 hours ago, tallnthensome said:

At this point, there should be zero exemptions for adults even after kids go back to school. Grow a pair and get the vaccine …..

You do realize, don't you, that there is a small percentage of adults who are medically unable to partake in the vaccine? I don't know, but that could legally fall under discrimination.

And whether it's adults or children, you're still on a ship where 95% of the people are vaccinated - and I'm thinking that would not be true in a crowd of 2000 people anywhere else.

1 hour ago, croix153 said:

Since DeSantis won the injunction against the cdc conditional sail order, they no longer are actually requiring 95/5. They are denying exemptions for adults and approving all exemptions for children even if it pushes them above 5% unvaccinated. 
 

overall I’m very happy with that. It keeps the cruise safe, making sure everyone who can vax is vaxxed, but without imposing ridiculous requirements on those that can’t even have a vax if they wanted one. 

I'm wondering where this information came from, since we've seen several cruisers here on the boards report adult exemptions.

7 minutes ago, Babr said:

Cruise lines are operating under CSO and CDC guidelines which spell out how to handle people who test positive. I’m betting that quarantine will be enforced if it is required whether it is by Carnival or someone else, but we may not know unless it is reported publicly. 

Carnival originally told the person from the Breeze to make their own travel arrangements to get to the hotel - and once dropped off at the hotel the person could have turned around and left.

Pretty sure people would be allowed to get in their own personal car and leave with the intention of quarantining in their own home.

Just now, tallnthensome said:

I sail to Puerto Vallerta in a few weeks. I definitely will want to know if my pre-cruise test will suffice. I can't imagine how it would work any other way unless they test you when going ashore. We wouldn't bother getting off the ship. 

Yep. I just need to know whether or not to cancel my excursion if they will not accept our pre-cruise test.

8 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

They could easily without you even knowing it. Just put scanners near food stations.

And what then? If I'm not having symptoms I'm not sure they can legally demand that I visit the infirmary or have a medical procedure performed on me against my will. I can't see that happening, if for no other reason than the really bad P.R.

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

USVI (incl St Thomas and St Croix) are requiring cruises to 100% vaccinated - like NCL.

The issue in this article isn't that they are requiring vax - it's that they are also requiring a negative covid test. So I get my covid test on Sept. 1 - I sail on Sept. 4. We dock in PV on Sept. 7, making our negative tests 7 days old (and pretty useless). That's the difference here.

51 minutes ago, atexsix said:

If they are not taking temps, how are they finding out about positive cases?  Do they wait for somebody to become extremely ill?  Or are they counting on people with mild symptoms to report to the medical center, knowing they'll be removed from the ship?  

Are you suggesting that they perform daily temp checks on all passengers?

2 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

I agree.  With the delta variant going around, i don't know why Carnival won't have 100% vaccinated cruises in California or at least only allow people who are vaccinated or have had a previous covid infection.  Anyone who hasn't had covid and is unvaccinated is really at risk with this new variant.  I am very surprised it's not 100% vaccinated in California.  It's not like Florida, where they are trying to sail with a huge majority of families.

Why do you think there are not lots of families who live on the west coast?

30 minutes ago, crewsweeper said:

Thermal temperature scanners were, for the most part, useless in detecting COVID.  By the time your temperature is high enough to trigger a warning, you're already feeling sick anyway.

Yep. I was Covid positive for at least 17 days - never had a temperature.

I've not seen any information posted that these are in use.

1 minute ago, tiffy0428 said:

so does this mean I would have to do a bubble tour with her?

 

Yes.

21 minutes ago, Brew12 said:

I wouldn't expect an answer immediately, odds are this will take a new policy. This is the type of situation where getting a PVP is almost the only good answer.

Since most Walgreens offer the ID Now test (15 minute test) and Carnival is accepting it for vaccinated passengers, it might not be too difficult to get tested in the time between cruises. Still very inconvenient. 

I wouldn't expect cooperation between cruise lines at this point, they are all scrambling too much internally to coordinate policies with other lines imo.

Except that many PVPs were giving out incorrect information for the first few days of this testing policy.

1 minute ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

The article doesn't state how "fresh" the COVID test must be.  Perhaps as long as the passenger boards the ship with a valid negative test in accordance with the cruise line (i.e. within 3 days), that is acceptable?

That's what I'm hoping.

Just saw this dated August 9. Don't know how the negative test will work - we will be tested on Wednesday ahead of sailing on Saturday, and porting in Puerto Vallarta does not happen until day 5 of the cruise.

https://tribune.travel/amp/puerto-vallarta-riviera-nayarit/mandatory-vaccines-for-cruises-in-puerto-vallarta-governor/?fbclid=IwAR1EVOUFTBFkJVGlqoa184pfni524bVLm4zJmKVyXjniQGdae7_a46yVyzQ