ScottsSweetie

7 minutes ago, DAllenTCY said:

Just announced by the Captain, we will stop in Cabo San Lucas tomorrow from 7 am to 4 pm and then proceed to Puerto Vallarta on Wednesday 10 am - 7 pm.

Due to this change, the ship is now expecting to return to Long Beach at 8 am on Saturday.

 

David

Thanks for that update - guess our embark on 9/4 won't be as delayed as we thought!!

14 minutes ago, rs45thompson said:

That is what I am wrestling with at the moment.  I don't know.

That's reasonable. Everyone should make the decision that makes the most sense for their family and their situation - best of luck.

It's just so very frustrating to read all the posters here who knew what the protocols were before getting on the ship, decided to get on the ship anyway, and then they come here and complain about everything that they knew about ahead of time.

9 minutes ago, CharmedLifer said:

Did you all see this re Covid cases on board 8/21 cruise?

 

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2021/08/articles/disease/carnival-panorama-the-latest-fun-ship-with-covid-19-aboard/

A. Consider the source.

B. THIS IS NOT NEWSWORTHY! Every single ship will have positive cases of Covid.

C. There are so many inaccuracies and distortions in this article it would be laughable except that there will be people who believe every word. The most egregious is leaving a passenger alone "in a sub-standard hospital in Belize and sailing on to the next port". So they should have kept the passenger on the ship even though they required more medical intervention that the ship's doctors can handle? And everyone knows Belize is not going to have hospitals like ours. He also says 42 crew tested positive over 2 weeks on Vista?? That was addressed by Carnival - and I believe it was 27.

D. Consider the source.

5 minutes ago, rs45thompson said:

Just my opinion but I think they need to get rid of the doors that you have to push the button, they need to have the crew serve at the buffet, they need to enforce mask wearing except outside, they need to ask passengers to washy washy as they enter the restaurant or buffet, they need to implement social distancing in the restaurants and shows.  I think if they do these things they will see their numbers (whatever they are) go down.  Again, just my opinion.

And if they don't do all of these things - are you still going to sail in October (as is listed in your signature below)?

7 minutes ago, DGNewton said:

Wall i guess for us July 24th cruisers we aren't sick by now so be it?   Although the smell was terrible at certain parts of the hallways on deck 8 midway.

So much for transparency about illness on Carnival

Always seems after the fact.

So if you sail, be smart how  to travel.  We will mask up inside,m wash frequently.  We spray and wipe down our own room too.  Must have a balcony to flush the air a bit.

I feel for the crew that need the income.

Prayers for this industry and form of vacation - it is the best type of vacation our opinion,

Sailing Saturday on the Disney Fantasy and the Carnival Horizon Oct. 30th so we hope.

Well, they can't notify you in advance of someone becoming ill. 😏

And I'm sure they weren't diagnosed with this on the ship so there would have been no way to tell anyone at that time.

7 minutes ago, ngrund said:

 the point is that Carnival could and should have taken steps that would greatly reduce the chances of passengers being exposed-

 

For me, the most egregious thing Carnival is doing is not eliminating the self service buffet and  as reported not allowing space between seated parties while dining

 

Yes, it would appear that Carnival's protocols could be improved. But the poster seems to want Carnival to be Celebrity. And if one believes that Carnival's protocols are not adequate - and everyone here at CC has had access to all of that info since the restart - then one should not cruise Carnival.

1 hour ago, dalenjen said:

here is a list based off the two other cruises we have taken this year with Celebrity:

1.mandate social distancing, block off every other chair

2. provide masks so you can switch yours out. We brought extra but none were provided

3. Contact tracing. On Celebrity (and Royal also) they make you wear a Tracelet to quickly identify everyone you came into contact with, test them and isolate those infected. Carnival has no contact tracing at all

4.More hand sanitizers. they were few and far between

5. Decrease bottlenecks and crowding. there were many times that social distancing COULD NOT be done due to the set-up of seating and the structure of the lines Carnival created (if you havent been on the Mardi Gras yet you do not realize that pretty much everything is on 3 decks that are all inside with no open spaces except on top or in the smoking section on the side)

 

So yes that is what I would say is just a few things they COULD HAVE done but did not.

 

Its all i will have to say on this because I feel I am having to explain why I got Covid instead of just being able to feel crappy because I GOT COVID ON THIS CRUISE (our 32nd cruise to be exact with 9 more booked) we will cruise again very soon but I can only say that Carnival is not handling the Cruising During Covid well at all

 

I'm sorry that you have covid. I've had it also - it's no fun. I hope that your wife continues to be negative. 

No one here is asking you to explain why you got Covid. But you cannot be sure that you got it on the ship.

Just now, crewsweeper said:

By 5% of the population I assume you mean supposedly 5% of the ship passengers.  Not crew. Be aware that mask are NOT 100% effective.  Only N95 masks protect against you transmitting 95% of the virus and other respiratory germs you may have. Possibly less to those wearing without any viruses, and then only when not wet from breathing.  Wet masks of all types can allow viruses to cling to the masks.  Plus negative test today doesn't equate to negative test tomorrow.  Vaccines in and of themselves do not prevent people from getting the virus.  They do help in reducing the severity of symptoms and need for hospitalization.  Key word here is REDUCE/ not ELIMINATE!

 

But without adequate tracing, dalajen will never know whether he contracted his from hanging around the ship venues, his cabin steward, his spouse, a bar tender who sneezed, someone in the elevator, etc..

 

Let's just hope he continues to improve.

Yes, I know all of those things. But in regards to the crew, I do believe that they are required to be somewhere above 90% vaccinated per the CSO recommendations that the cruiselines are operating under.

And he also won't know if he got it before he got on the ship, either. MY DH tested positive 10 days before I did and of course we're told people can be contagious before that positive test. Most people will never know where they got it from, so it's not verifiable to blame it on Carnival.

2 hours ago, Goldenaero5 said:

Online there is an article reporting that multiple people contacted covid during this sailing. I hate to take the word of one passenger (that reported to an online outlet)and wondering if you noticed this as well or if there is any truth to it? I realize that there is probably going to be a few cases on any sailing as covid isn't going away anytime soon but just curious what you may have noticed. Also what you thought of the safety of the protocols. Thank you for any insight you may have.

40 minutes ago, CruisefunSAN said:

I was on that sailing and didn't notice anything. Apparently if there is COVID case on board, Carnival wasn't made it public. But I also doubted the accuracy of that online article. In Mazatlan and Cabo, I did hear the PA asking for some people to contact customer service desk right before ship's departure time, I thought that was because some body didn't make it back to ship on time. And I didn't see any ambulance at those ports too. SO that online thing is most likely a speculation, not fact. 

Their status is yellow on the CDC cruise ship color status, which is the third out of 4 levels (green, orange, yellow, red). It was orange while it was crew only. EVERY SINGLE SHIP across all brands that is sailing with passengers right now (as opposed to being crew only) is yellow status. There will be positive covids on every single sailing for the near future.

59 minutes ago, dalenjen said:

yeah i would be interested to read anyone else (besides me) who got Covid on the Mardi Gras TA or not..Carnival is keeping their numbers hidden and its getting people sick

What would you do differently if Carnival had given you numbers? You already said that you were taking extra precautions in social distancing, so I am curious as to what you would have done. And would that change if Carnival said "we have 2 covid cases" or if they said "we have 10 covid cases"? 

If everyone has negative tests before boarding, and only 5% of the population is unvaccinated (and that's mostly children), and people are masked, and you are social distancing - please explain to me what else can be done?

6 hours ago, DAllenTCY said:

If you are driving to Long Beach, there are 4 lanes of traffic approaching the terminal.  The left lane sign says "PARKING".....however, that leads into the Queen Mary parking lot which is closed.  

Lots of cars went to the end and then either cut into the next line or had to circle back around.  The far right lane is for picking up or dropping off, yet cars managed to cut in at the front, too.  Once past the ticket dispensing machines THE 2 MIDDLE LANES ONLY, make an immediate left into the parking structure.  There were plenty of open spaces; however, exiting traffic was backed up to level 2 with very slow movement.

 

David

 

So, should we drop off luggage (and one person) first before entering the parking structure, or can we just park there and take our luggage with us if easily managed?

And thanks for this info!

41 minutes ago, DGNewton said:

Is this posted in any Carnival ligature?  

I've heard of people being turned away with wrong test and want to be sure when we check in.

You won't be there to represent us, but Carnival will.

So would appreciate the help if you could find documentation.

I'm getting too old to be correct anymore....seems to miss a lot.

If not, I'll write to them......

Thank You for your help and post as this is good information to know, just want to be cautious.

Try looking at http://www.carnival.com

34 minutes ago, lake53 said:

Great info on the Sept 4th sailing arriving late. Where can you locate that info? Thanks 

The Sept 4 sailing has a group page on the famous social media site. There was a copy of the letter (email) to this weeks cruisers that someone posted, telling them to push back their arrival time three hours (ie, 10:30 becomes 1:30, etc.), that they will have some port changes (hours in port) and that their arrival will be approximately 10:00am on 9/4. No one on that page sailing on our date has received email with that info yet. And now, this cruise also has to deal with a hurricane coming up towards Mazatlan.

Just now, Linsuesue said:

The weather is certainly a factor for adhering to schedules during this time of year.  I think the ships usually have sail away about 4:00 pm. When did the Panorama finally leave the dock?

Someone posted they saw it push back on the port cam between 7:00 - 7:30pm.

10 minutes ago, Linsuesue said:

Did the ship arrive late? Was the extra step of checking Covid test results part of the problem? Did anybody tell you what the problems were? I so hope this gets squared away before the end of September when I sail!

The ship did arrive late - it was scheduled to dock at 10:30 due to propulsion problems. Then apparently they had issues getting cleared for disembark, so embarkation was very late. This cruise is scheduled to return to dock on 9/4 at 10:00am, so that cruise will also have delayed embarkation. Hopefully it will be cleared up before you sail at the end of September.

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

I'll believe when Carnival puts it in writing.

Carnival already put in writing that anyone over the age of 12 must be vaccinated unless they have a medical condition. Someone on the ship who turns 12 on the 2nd day of a cruise is over 12. Good grief - it's not rocket science.

If you are saying that we should not believe anything that anyone posts here, then I guess that would include yourself.

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

Out of date as now no unvaccinated anyone is allowed age 12 and older, so this there is no insurance requirement for these folks who now cant cruise.

 

I've already read of a child age 11, turns 12 during the cruise, now cant cruise. No unvaccinated are currently allowed. 

1 hour ago, sailingships said:

The child is under 12 at the start of the cruise. Shouldnt he/she be able to get an exemption?

54 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Probably. Somebody reading hearsay on the Internet doesn't make it true 

Firefly is right - a poster on some thread here reported that he had two children who had both already received exemptions - but now the older child was rescinded because of turning 12 during the cruise. If you think about it, that would not fulfill the requirements of the Bahamas if that port was after the child's birthday - hence no exemption.

1 hour ago, Angel1505 said:

Once lucky enough to get into the terminal, this is what it looks like. Been in line for 2 and a half hours and we are not moving. Feel for those in the hot sun outside still and there are MANY.  
Holding out hope it gets better than this. 

Do you know what time boarding or check-in started? And do you know what time you are supposed to sail?

1 minute ago, firefly333 said:

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/covid19-operations-manual-cso.html#screening-of-embarking-passengers

 

 

UGH!!

4 hours ago, matt1119 said:

What worries me is the wording isn't date specific. So is everything going to cascade to future sailings? 

The 8/28 cruisers were notified, among other changes, that their dock time in Long Beach upon return on 9/4 will be 10:00am - so it is at least affecting cruises through the 9/4 date.

4 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Tests are not always conclusive.

So, everybody should have a test . . . but we can't trust the tests? 

I am so confused.

1 hour ago, mpacker said:

 

yeah people are cancelling...and prices (at least casino offers) have been getting better and better each time a new month rolls around

Yep - that's what I see here on the west coast for VIFP offers.

1 hour ago, stellarose said:

actually the two spa rooms I have on MG Christmas is 2k more now than when I booked over a year ago.

I'm guessing that is because of reduced capacity + holiday week.

On our VIFP offers, we could book any week of September on the Panorama 7 day for as little as $611.48 for an interior (all taxes & fees included) or for a balcony $1093.48 (again, all in).

1 hour ago, keels81 said:

I was able to snag one of the last 3-persons on my sailing of the MG and I haven't been able to shift to a different category or even cabin since then (booked back in May for October 2) and when I finally called in to ask if they could move me, I was told that because of the new muster process and that they're using muster stations for disembarkation (experienced this on the 8/7 Magic sailing), if that station is full for a specific number of adults, then its done.

 

I haven't asked if we could split into a stateroom of two and then a solo since they seem to be waving the solo supplement on some of these sailings but at this point it is what it is and I don't want to lose that sweet, sweet OBC.

Can you explain this for us?

18 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

That more an indictment of inconsiderate cruisers than of masks. Perhaps overdue to add (or increase) an environmental tax of some sort on cruising. A shame all might have to pay the price for the actions of a few.

As was your comment about the staff having to pick them up.

57 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Testing everyone would catch a lot.

Everyone is already being tested, so . . . 

Really - the bottom line here, and on most of these threads, can be summed up in two sentences. If you are happy with Carnival's policies and procedures re: covid, then happy sailing to you. If you disagree with the way Carnival is handling covid policies and procedures, then stay at home.