First and Ten

So, where were we [emoji16]

I will personally stick with tipping ahead of time aka "bribery" [emoji23]

When the Lido deck/Atrium bar is 2 deep, my bartender sees me and my cocktail is waiting at the end of the bar....sort of like an unadvertised FTTB (Faster To The Booze) [emoji16]

My use of most of us wasn't to say you hadn't been to 7th grade, it was to say that we've all been there and done that and understand your pedantic argument but it is just that, pedantic with no substance. Let's get past the linguistics shall we?

I am trying to figure out your angle....multiple people have commented to the OP, some in favor some against, yet you single me out....hmmmmm, interesting

Well most sane people realize that when they are being extra they have a high probability of someone adding extra to their food. I stand by my statement that you probably never served based on this anectdote. Chefs don't actually cook anything in 99.9% of kitchens in the Western world.

You can stand by it, but you would be wrong. Probably not the first time that has happened to you

Actually, rules and laws are the same from some (admittedly ultra-modern) legal theoretical perspectives. Maybe you should spend more time in the library before you make statements like that. Most of us have been to 7th grade or dealt with 7th graders so we understand what you are going for, they just don't add anything to the discussion. Maybe if you wanted to get technical and look at things from a more traditional view, you could have said that rules interpret laws but that really wouldn't have anything to do with your argument against why it is irrelevant that those who follow all of Carnival's rules also exceed the speed limit.

Now you are getting insulting....take note bro, i havent insulted you at all...."Most of us", so now you want to assume you speak for most of the posters on CC? I will stick to my original statement being rules and laws are not the SAME thing....if you want to say they can be similar, yes, but not the SAME

I don't understand how that is not a valid defense? Rules are rules. Most of my anarchistic tendencies come from the fact that no one follows all of the rules, it would be impossible so why try? I look to my own personal moral compass to guide me. Guess what? I'm an egoist so I look out for numero uno!

Keep cherrypicking steve, back to stalking just my posts i see....If you kept reading, the reason I dont like the "speed limit" defense on why its ok to ignore ships rules is the speed limit is a "law", laws and rules are not the same. But you already knew that, right ;p

Enuf of this debate on who's old enough to enjoy what entertainment, carding or no carding.

 

OP, It's very simply. Just bear in mind that your party may or may not be carded entering the dance club. Tell everyone in your party this may happen. Have an alternative plan laid out and agreed upon by your party as to what you/they will do if carded and some are refused entry. Then, if not carded, have a great time dancing. If carded, have a great time at what ever you decide to do. No squabble, no whining, no "so-and-so said they were allowed on the (name ship) last week".

 

Gonna messup and ruin your cruise, I doubt it.

There ya go OP, in the future, any questions you may have you can email crewsweeper....He/she apparently can decipher all points of view and he/she and he/she alone will determine the right answer :rolleyes:

I may also add this this is crewsweepers board and he/she gets to decide how long an open dialogue goes on and when it should end :D

 

I've been to quite a few of the comedy routines and I cannot say I've ever heard any of them say something in gross detail or about things they didn't already know at 16. As I already said we have always picked seats in the back, as I would at comedy show off the cruise.

 

I will speak first hand to this....I have been to many Cruise Ship R rated comedy shows. You would not believe the range of comics. There have been some tame ones where they may have used a 4 letter word in a joke to the act that stands out to me is think of Dice Clay to the 10th power....let me digress and throw out a piece of advice for the comedy club newbie. If you embarrass/offend easily or have an attractive spouse (wife if its a male comic)....Never, i repeat NEVER sit in the first 2 rows by the stage (i cannot reinforce this enough as KC has stated in her post)....the comic was both hysterical and vile and he picked on her (she had it coming, she heckled him first) to the point of this woman left on the verge of tears....i was both embarrassed for her and literally falling out of my chair laughing he was so funny

I wish kc58ab and First and Ten would take their argument to the other room. Enough already. [emoji850]

 

 

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My apologies Gold Mine....i didnt realize my back and forth banter with KC had this subliminal power to make you click on and read this thread....i didnt realize i was forcing you to be here ;)

That would certainly be strange for someone to be 12 and look 21. I would have to see that to believe it.

 

What my point is you seem all bent out of shape that I had my 17 year old in Serenity area one cruise for idk about an hour and half and no one was upset when it happened bc no one thought she shouldn't be there.

 

She was in Serenity area on another cruise too, as matter of fact several ppl were chatting with us in the pool in that area on the Freedom and guess what no one even questioned her age. If they had, and were upset about it we would have again gladly left.

You missed my point....you claim that your daughter at the time was 17 but looked 21+. My question was intended to be taken what if she was 17 and looked 12....if that is to much of a stretch, lets say she looked 14.....she looked younger than her age at the time which was 17....I may be reading into your post incorrectly, but i am taking it that since in your mind she "looked" 21, its ok for her to be there? Where i am going with this is, your daughter being on the Serenity deck for 90 minutes, did it shake the rule structure of the cruise industry, of course not. You do have to take it to the other side of the spectrum tho....another cruiser has a 16 yr old that is well behaved....what about the 14 yr old that is exceptionally mature, they ok to? Oh heck, my 10 yr old will just sit on his ipod in a seat and not bother anyone.....and so on and so on....to the extreme, there is essentially no Serenity deck anymore. We can debate that the Age limit/restriction is arbitrary, but i will answer that there are many rules/laws are based on a number, Age. This isnt just limited to Cruise ship rules, this is society in general

All that being said....I personally am a Serenity fan....i love it....when i cruise, i am up at 7 am on sea days securing 2 spots, typically 2 prime spots and that is where we hang out all day. Honestly, if you and your mature 17 yr old daughter walked over and said are these 2 seats taken, would i ask for her ID....lol.....no. If we struck up a conversation and you said "well my daughter isnt 21, dont tell anyone", am I calling over the Carnival Serenity police.....nah, that aint happening. I guess we just differ on the mindset of how this played out

We didn't have to, but the chairs there are much more comfortable there. Like I said I guarantee if you saw her at 17 you would have guessed her to be over 21. I cannot tell you how many times when we have went to lunch waiters have asked if she wanted to order a drink. Of course she didn't. I'm pretty certain no one was upset by her being there, bc no one suspected she wasn't 21.

So she looked older, then that makes it ok? What if she looked 12, but had the same maturity level, does that matter or no? My point is you walk past a sign that says "Serenity - 21 and older" and you were like "Ah screw it, i want a comfy chair"

I have too seen them card people and ask them to leave. And if that had happened I would have gladly left.

 

I'm certain my mother and father wouldn't be comfortable sitting next to me today in the comedy shows either. Maybe it is related to generational. They didn't talk about sex, precautions or anything. It was just don't do it until you are married and don't talk about.

 

I have a very open conversations with my children. They are very comfortable coming to me about anything. I'm willing answer questions about anything. Not that it has always been comfortable for me on some of the questions, but it paid off, I would rather they got the correct information from me.

What if the information you were giving them wasnt correct? :confused:

That is where you are wrong. I didn't make my children go when they didn't want to go. Guess what when I took my 17 year old daughter to the Serenity area my 14 year of son didn't go. I didn't make him go, he instead did something with his father. I went there with my daughter bc she wanted to lay out. And yes I wasn't going to let her do that alone. My 16 year old son on another cruise wanted to go to the comedy one he went to. He didn't want to go to the 2nd show, so him and I left and my husband and daughter went to the 2nd show. It wasn't done for selfish reasons for me and subjecting my kids to something they didn't want to do.

 

Keep assuming, you know the rest obviously....

So i ask you, why did she have to lay out on the Serenity deck? Is the sun better on the Serenity Deck than anywhere else on the ship? There are hundreds, if not 1000+ lounge chairs on the main deck and PLENTY of chairs away from the pool so you didnt get splashed, why the Serenity Deck?

 

I would however love to know how you compute you are not as selfish or entitled as me. For the 100th time probably, I'm not taking my kids to either place bc I feel entitled, but it is worth the risk of consequences. Consequences that we would have to leave if questioned. Again acts that didn't affect anyone else negatively.

 

Be fair, i did quantify my opinion of you with what i have to go on, just these posts....based on that extremely limited sample size, i can say i am not nearly as selfish or entitled as you because i wouldnt take my kids into the 18+ Comedy show or the Serenity Deck if they were not of appropriate age....The selfish part comes into play where i am guessing your kids didnt drive the desire for these events, it was you as the parent who wanted to do it. You already have said that you didnt let your 17 yr old daughter roam the ship alone. You want to see the comedy show, you dont want to leave her unattended....guess what, instead of doing something else, you decide to break the rules, take her into the show....That is selfish on your part.

Earlier post indicated because YOU didnt want to get splashed and you wanted a quieter environment, you took your under 21 daughter to the Serenity Deck....Again, it was about what you wanted. Your needs and wants above anything else = selfish

Can i honestly say i wouldnt have done those things....yes i can. Based on just that small sample is why i stated i am less selfish and entitled than you

 

I don't complain that I don't get to make sand art or color t-shirts in camp even though I pay the same price. Because that's for kids. Leave the adults to have their thing as per the cruise ticket contract that has been previously posted.

 

 

 

Can you imagine how irate parents would be if they discovered their young child was sharing a playtime with a random adult on the ship who decided that they were going to try the kid's club? Beyond creepy. It would NEVER happen. But somehow, we 'allow' the young ones to experience the adult experience more readily. I don't know why this is.

 

Good post

 

16 yr old in the Comedy Club taking up seats meant for allowed patrons, response is "No big deal, let the other people stand, as long as me and my family get what we want on our vacation, then i dont care about anyone else"

 

18 yr old on the Serenity Deck, taking up chairs and loungers for the allowed over 21 crowd, same parent will say "Well i want to go to the Serenity Deck and i didnt want my 18 yr old alone....we got here first, so if people who got here later dont get a seat, not my problem"

 

The same parent picking up their 8 yr old from the kids camp sees a 40 yr old passenger fingerpainting with this parents child, i am wondering if that parents response will be "That 40 yr old paid his fare and should be able to do what he/she wants and if that means fingerpainting with my child, i have no issue with that"

 

LOL, that aint happening....That same parent that knowing broke the rules to benefit them would be screaming at every ship official he/she could find

I added a bit to my comment above after I clicked too soon. You might relook to answer your first question.

 

In order for your explanation of "my world" to makes sense that would have to apply to EVERYONE bc EVERYONE breaks some rules or laws sometime. So I guess according to that we all are selfish, should be able to do whatever we want, and no one else's opinion is more important than their own. In that case I'm no worse than you, which is one of my main points. You are no better bc you haven't taken a 16 yr old to the comedy show or 17 yr old to the Serenity deck. In fact some rules/laws you break affect others much more severely.

You keep digging the hole deeper, put the shovel down....You cant quantify EVERYONE....for all i know there is a small % of the population that follows EVERY rule....You have no way of knowing that, you can ASSUME everyone breaks a rule, but when you ASSUME....well, you know the rest....Now c'mon KC, i want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a mature adult. You are telling me we are going to resort to what an 8 yr old says...."Well little Johnny did it too"....so i have this straight, because you think rules are broken all the time, the justification is "Well somewhere out there someone is breaking a rule, i can break this one"....lol, seriously, that is the stance? I bolded a section above in your post when you say "You are no better bc...." I am not sure what you mean....i never said or even implied i was a BETTER person/parent/etc than you or anyone else. In my limited exposure to you based just off these few posts i would maybe venture at best a basic guess that i am probably not as selfish or entitled as you, again, strictly based on our opinions, but that doesnt make me a better person/parent overall. Heck, you dont let your 17 yr old daughter go alone around the ship, i would say that is very protective, which i happen to agree with

People don't have to follow , not everyone follows this board daily,we do have choices!

i was just commenting that there was another FTTF thread. I enjoy the FTTF threads, there is so much good info and banter ;)

I'm not a smoker, so I wouldn't know if you can smoke from the lido deck. I don't recall seeing that happen and am not sure that is correct. If it is maybe it is due to the fact that the lido deck hangs over the lower decks and that isn't as much of a chance of it being sucked back in. Regardless if you want to use safety of the boat or not, my health safety is still a fact. Even if you can smoke on board (outside) it does affect my health. How does my 16 yr old being at the comedy show affect your health long term? It doesn't.

 

If you don't want to debate smoking on this chain, that I might add you brought into the conversation as a comparison example then maybe you shouldn't take this initial debate to other threads like you have?

Twist it, nice try....absolutely agree, lets not talk about comparing the smoking "rules" with the age restriction "rules". Can we also agree that we wont compare age restriction "rules" with speed limit "laws"....agreed? ;)

I guess it breaks down to mindset and a few different camps of people....One camp seems to be of the mindset of "i will follow the rules and if I am inconvenienced, that is just the way it is, i have to live with it"....You seem to be in another camp that you will follow some of the rules, but if a Carnival rule inconveniences you, then in your mind you dont have to follow it because YOU dont see it as a big deal and this is YOUR vacation and YOU should be able to do what YOU want to do. Because YOU dont think its a big deal, your mindset and opinion supersedes any rule because this is KC's world and everyone else are just spectators....did i get that right? ;)

As I said before the no smoking rule is for safety. Possible life and death consequences. I'm sure since u follow all rules or laws u go to muster drills where they explain the hazards of cigarettes going over board lit can blow back onto ship and start a fire.

 

Also smoking does affect others. It has been scientifically proven that second hand smoke can cause cancer and lead to death. I don't believe anyone else's life is at risk because my sixteen-year-old is at the comedy show.

 

Talk about grasping at straws...smoking isn't even close in comparison.

We can debate the smoking issue rule on another thread....If you think its just about "safety", no way....If it was truly a safety issue, then why isnt it banned on the entire ship. You going to tell me that its 100% safe that if you throw a cigarette off the Lido deck, where smoking is allowed, but its highly dangerous if you do it from your balcony :rolleyes:

So in your opinion, the smoking "rule" isnt a close comparison, but the speed limit "law" is?....you just painted yourself into a corner :D

Of course someone does, and like now more than one, bc it is a valid argument.

 

You're "cracking up" bc u can't argue against it and u are caught on a "rule" you often break yourself. It is just different bc it's you and your breaking the rules is somehow lesser and justified.

 

Let us not forget that that rule breakage has far more possible dire consequences to others than someone going to a comedy show at 16.

 

Keep laughing it is a good cover when you don't have a better comeback ;p :loudcry:

I think we both agreed that there is a difference between a "rule" and a "law"....right off the bat, comparing the Serenity Deck/Comedy Club ages which are "rules" to a speed limit "law" is flawed. How about some other "rules" i should break. I guess you have no issue with people smoking on their balcony, i mean its a rule, right? Its the smokers vacation, they should be able to do what they want. Similar to you advising that an adult can stand at the R rated comedy show because your 16 yr old is there, i would say if you dont want to smell my cigarette smoke, you can go inside your room. Remember, this is MY vacation :rolleyes:....my point is, lets stick to the actual topic and not reach for straws when trying to make comparisons

Just some more info for consideration. Some ships have 2 comedy shows....An earlier "PG" rated show and a later "R" rated show. There can be a VAST difference as far as content. So, if you offend easily or have a late teen child that you are thinking to BREAK THE OBVIOUS AGE RULES and sneak them in (inside joke :D), it could be a less than fun evening

On my last cruise, i asked my RS for X-Rated towel animals, just having some fun with him....he must have taken me serious because he was very creative :')

Oh goodie, another FTTF thread :evilsmile:

The "speed limit" argument as defense for breaking rules cracks me up. At least one chucklehead always uses it :')

Here is the issue with the 18+ Comedy Show, again, my opinion. There is a huge range of comics. Some of them are relatively tame. I have seen other comics that are graphic. Not saying they aren't funny, they are, but they can be BRUTAL and nothing is off limits. One of the cruises I was on, cant remember his name, but this woman heckled him. It wasn't even a bad heckle. He told an off color joke and said something to the effect of "that wasn't that funny"....apparently she said it in somewhat of a snotty voice and he proceeded to go off on her. I was both crying from laughter and embarrassed for her because he was relentless. Think Dice Clay on steroids as far as raunchy. Every sexual innuendo and her body parts he was all over to the point that she walked out, and I think she was on the verge of crying, followed by her husband. I can only imagine that comics may have some unwritten rules to who is off limits, but that would have been brutal if some 17 yr old girl was the subject of this comics jokes