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3 minutes ago, boatseller said:

And just as expected.  Nothing.  If there's so many, you'd have no trouble citing and defending at least one.  That's a pretty low bar, sure you don't want to try at least once?

You're honestly not worth it. 

2 minutes ago, boatseller said:

You can try to explain how I'm wrong, but you know how that will go.  I have all the numbers ready to go.

 

Meaning, instead of waving hands and calling names, presents some verifiable evidence or deductive reasoning.

 

 

I don't have to explain it. Countless scientists and doctors already have. Your ignorance is a choice at this point.

8 minutes ago, PORT ROYAL said:

 

Or, say please remove your trousers, as your words are muffled...

Haha you Brits have a way with words. 

2 hours ago, boatseller said:

For the ~60K people killed by influenza this season, they too had to get it from someone but I don't see mass guilt counseling.  "It's just allergies" will still forever be the first thought until it's not.  Mass abrogation of the social contract?  No, just basic human rationalization.  Go search "give someone influenza", first 3 pages, not even a blog post trying to shame people for spreading a deadly disease.

Instead of trying to compare COVID-19 with influenza, it would be a lot easier to simply say, "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about." 

Turn the Haven courtyard into an ICU ward. 

1 hour ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

Political? Mods?  Not relevant.

Obliviously you need to relocate if you don't believe in USA. We WILL recover with or without you,   Again, you insult the intelligence of Americans.   Down boy.

 

Are you running for President to fix everything?

 

JMO 

There you go again, howling for the "mods" every time you read something that intrudes into your fact-free safe space. And again, it IS relevant. The title of this thread is "COVID-19 testing" - and the lethal incompetence of our criminally negligent leaders on that VERY SUBJECT is the reason we're all sitting at home and not on cruises right now. 

The very fact I DO believe in the United States is why it's so plainly obvious our leaders failed us so terribly in this crisis. Your blind fealty to authority doesn't make you more patriotic than me. 

Notice how you didn't engage the substance of my post, at all. You just reflexively dismiss any criticism of this country's failings as lack of patriotism, while you continue to insist anyone who doesn't agree with you that 'MURICA IS THE BEST somehow isn't as good a citizen, when you can't quantify what being the "best" means. At all. Go ahead, try. Tell me what makes America the "best" country? Would you have NOT preferred we had a per capita (if you know what that means) outcome for our citizens as good or better than a non-super power country with vastly more limited resources like South Korea?? Wow, how "patriotic" of you 

No, I'm not running for president. You're the one pushing the brilliant idea of using "enormous fields" for graduations and bemoaning the ceremonies didn't take place in person. Are you running for school board? 

9 minutes ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

Let's get back to cruising and stop with your underlying Political views.

There is nothing "political" about saying South Korea did a better job keeping its citizens safe from COVID-19, and it's not a "view" either. It's a fact supported by hard data. If our leaders were as competent as South Korea's, we might be cruising right now. 

It's so intellectually infantile to just bleat "America is the best!" Really? To declare something the "best" versus anything else in any kind of non-subjective way (if you know what that even means) you have to take measurements. What does best mean? Best healthcare system/outcomes? Nope we're not the best in that. Cleanest environment? Nope, not the best in that. Best educational system with highest-testing students? For sure not the best in that. What about life expectancy? Nope, not the best in that. Again, these are all things you can measure.

Average citizens in North Korea think they live in paradise. You have more in common with those poor souls than you realize. 

1 minute ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

 Use your words to convey rather copying and pasting cartoons.  🙂

I did use words in my post, 86 of them actually. Try reading them. 

7 minutes ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

Schools/Colleges are still figuring out about classes in Fall.  They can't even figure out how to have High School Graduation.  Cancelled.  I COULD FIGURE THAT OUT! Enormous Football field!  But politics tells me I have to stay home and screw our graduates.  🙂

No, public health officials and scientists who know more about the reality of this virus than you do told you to stay home, and you should thank them for it. At least you correctly realized they're smarter than you. 

No ceremony is worth people dying. 

27 minutes ago, OceanBlueWaters said:

You are free to leave this wonderful Country at any time.  Why would you post this?

 

So sad. Please exit our Country and find residence elsewhere.  Keep us informed about your whereabouts if/when you left.

 

Good grief...

Why would I post this? Because I hate seeing the needless deaths of tens of thousands of my fellow American citizens. It doesn't seem to bother you. 

And thanks for your suggestion, but I'm not going anywhere. Patriots try to make their country better. By any metric South Korea did a better job with this virus than we did. I'm an adult so I can understand (and be appropriately ashamed by) that without having some nationalist hissy fit. Loving your country doesn't mean ignoring its failings. 

South Park made an episode about people like you. 

36 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Thats fear mongering, i hope you dont go to the grocery store or work next month. 

Yeah, essential activity like going to a grocery store for food/medicine that is required to live versus a 100% elective activity like a cruise...same thing. 

You need help.

2 minutes ago, Newleno said:

I would, I once took an expedition to Antarctica with a company that lost (sunk) their ship down there a year earlier.  If it is low cost and has great value I will be all over it and so would most TRUE cruisers.

Yeah, I guess only TRUE cruisers are willing to expose themselves to a novel virus with no vaccine, therapeutic treatment, or pre-existing immunity. Kind of like how only REAL 'MURICANS refuse to wear masks in public despite the overwhelming scientific evidence they offer significant protection for the people around you. 

Anyone who thinks cruising is resuming in August is insane. 

9 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

I know, read my past posts!!! I was a complete idiot and I've actually said that more than once in these forums.

I mean this sincerely...it's a sign of high moral character and integrity for someone to admit they're wrong like that. It's takes strength, and it's indicative of a strong intellect. I commend you for it, and I appreciate the posts you've made on these boards trying to reach the people who still think as you did. 

1 hour ago, npcl said:

They never had a lock down.  They did not shutdown most of their economy. They set up the processes (courtesy or their experiences with SAR and MERS and executed.  The over all number of test are low, because of the speed and because the population support the process. 

South Korea set the global standard on how to effectively combat this virus. 

I always love it when people say "America is the best country in the world!" Really? 

1 minute ago, seaman11 said:

but as of now i think aug looks good

Just like you said for May, June and July

2 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

 You are looking at it through a NY lenses. which is funny because nyc smells like urine. 

That's something people who have only seen NYC in movies like to say. 

8 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

That all depends on what is posted, and how.  If they take a photograph of a document distributed to the crew, that could entail proprietary information.  If they take a photo of "conditions onboard" and there just happens to be an NCL policy document on the wall in the background, that could be theft of proprietary information. 

No, it doesn't. There is nothing illegal about merely taking a photograph, whereas there are specific statutes criminalizing activities like hacking. Stick to your engines, Chief. 

2 hours ago, npcl said:

No, but Chengkp75 had explicitly listed the examples that could be criminally prosecuted including intellectual property theft and your response was

 

no it can't

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I wouldn't argue with you about how to fix an azipod. You might not want to argue with me about this. 

 

Then you proceeded to change the definition from what he posted.

 

Clearly the google case did not involve someone hacking into a computer, but instead was theft of intellectual property that they had access to as part of their job.

 

The Google case is inapplicable to the situation with the crew on these ships. No crew member faces any criminal exposure, in any jurisdiction, for publicly disclosing what is happening on the ships, period. NCL can fire them. NCL could even take civil action against them, but they are at no risk of prosecution from any "shore side authorities." It was a thuggish lie meant to frighten an already frightened and desperate group of vulnerable people into compliance to avoid more bad PR. It's one of the most disgusting things NCL has done, and whomever made the decision to relay that lie should be fired. 

5 minutes ago, npcl said:

Actually since one only needs to show one case to prove that someone can be charged for such theft you might not want ot be so certain on this.  While certainly non-disclosure agreements are seldom prosecuted under criminal statues the following certainly does show that it is possible.

 

Federal prosecutors charged Anthony Levandowski, the pioneering self-driving car engineer, with 33 counts of theft and attempted theft of trade secrets from Google on Tuesday.

The criminal indictment is the latest twist in a years-long dispute over intellectual property between Google, where Levandowski worked on autonomous vehicles for nearly a decade, and Uber, which purchased a self-driving startup from Levandowski for a reported $680m in August 2016.

 

According to the criminal complaint, Levandowski downloaded approximately 14,000 files from Google and transferred them to his personal laptop in the months preceding his departure from Google – after he had begun discussions with executives at Uber

Yes, theft, as in illegally obtaining the proprietary materials in question. 

No crew member is committing theft by posting on social media about what's happening on the ship. 

8 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Actually, if the breach of confidentiality includes things like theft of intellectual rights or proprietary information, then it can be a criminal case.  

No, it can't. 

The only possible exception would be if someone who holds a government-issued security clearance improperly disseminates classified material, or if someone illegally obtained proprietary information prior to disclosing it (like hacking into a computer system). Clearly neither of those circumstances apply here. There are no criminal penalties for violating an employment agreement with a private company.

I wouldn't argue with you about how to fix an azipod. You might not want to argue with me about this. 

5 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Thats true but ncl isnt the only cruiseline out there.  Ncl seems to have thrown in the towel for the summer. Carnivals plan for aug seems good at the moment .  also ...

 

https://www.caribjournal.com/2020/04/24/bahamas-cruise-paradise-line/

This link is from April 24. NCL said they'd be resuming cruises in June then, too. 

I mean this sincerely, Seaman...there are other ways to enjoy life than going on cruises.

Just now, chengkp75 said:

Really?  Is there any reference where I can see an employee's right under these laws to breach a confidentiality clause with the employer?  Cause it can be a criminal offense in the US.

There is no US statute at the state or federal level that allows for criminal prosecution due to violating a private contract. There are civil remedies the employer could seek, but not criminal. 

But without actually knowing about the law, I admit it SOUNDS plausible, which is why the unethical scum running NCL decided to use it as a scare tactic. 

6 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

 A person who is hospitalized with the flu has their symptoms treated.  If they are having trouble breathing they are assisted.  SAME AS THE CORONAVIRUS.   Study sometime.  

Study what? Please cite the specific source you "studied" to come to this BLATANTLY FALSE conclusion. Have you ever read a single peer reviewed/double blind published research paper on how COVID-19 presents clinically? Do you even know what those words mean? 

Yes both influenza and COVID-19 can present with respiratory symptoms, however there are MYRIAD symptoms unique to COVID-19, impacts it can seem to have on organs throughout the body - curious issues with blood clotting and strokes, inflammatory/Kawasaki syndrome in children, kidney damage...and I could go on. 

Again, you have zero medical training or scientific background whatsoever. If I'm wrong, tell me what degrees you hold and which institutions you earned them from. 

3 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Are you an expert in Bahamian and Panamanian law?  Or maritime law?  Have you seen a crew "article of agreement" or "contract" to know what terms are in them?  If not, how can you say that the threat is "blatantly false"?  Most companies, even in the US, have statements in either employment agreements or in company HR policy manuals relating to use of social media in regards to company policies, practices, etc, and the punishments for violating these.  This is without regard to the fact that the crew's employment contract is based not on US law, but on the laws of the flag state, which can have far different protections for what US citizens consider their civil rights.

There is no provision of Bahamian, Panamanian, or maritime law that would allow for the criminal prosecution of a crew member disseminating to the public what's happening on board these ships. But the NCL execs knew that the crew largely doesn't know that, and the threat would be sufficient to frighten them into silence.