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34 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Nice try, but if want this interpreted as anything but psychobabble, you need to identify the actual contradiction...go ahead...I'll wait...  Ok, thought so.

 

 

Psychobabble? Bless your heart. I'm sorry I used words that were too complicated. 

Also the "I'll wait...Okay, thought so" - cute but how exactly could I have responded to your post literally while you were still typing it? 

You also don't understand that when you stay at home you're MINIMIZING THE RISK YOU POSE TO OTHER PEOPLE. Why don't you just admit you don't care about people you don't know and can't see? You don't give a darn how your actions impact others, you just think "I should get to do what I want when I want." 

And you're drawing an equivalence between an essential activity like grocery shopping, and going on a cruise? There's your dissonance right there. If you can't understand why a comparison like that is so patently absurd, you're not worth engaging with further. 

1 minute ago, SeaShark said:

 

Well...how will you ever know? 

 

People haven't been cruising for over two months, yet people are still catching and dying from this (and other) diseases...proving that this certainly isn't a cruise issue. So...how will you ever be 100% safe from everything - can you tell me?

By that logic I should be allowed to drive drunk. I know how many I can handle. My car, my choice. People die from other things, too. How can you ever be safe from everything? 

1 hour ago, boatseller said:

40% of new cases in New York are people obeying the Stay at Home Order.  Clearly staying at home is very risky, will you ask them to sign the same waiver?

The cognitive dissonance of this statement is staggering. The lockdown in NYC is precisely what has flattened the curve and prevented the healthcare system from being overwhelmed, which it was absolutely on the brink of just a few short weeks ago. 

People who quarantine at home still have to get groceries, open doors that neighbors use, ride in elevators, etc. The fact you saw that kind of infection rate from people TAKING precautions is actually the best argument in the world for how contagious this virus is, and how recklessly stupid it would be to prematurely "open up" without the resources to protect the public's health. The LAST thing the stat you cite suggests is "clearly staying at home is very risky." 

To draw an equivalence between someone following the advice of public health officials, sheltering at home, and doing their best to take at least one more body out of the chain of transmission - and some selfish, ignorant fool refusing to feel a mask because it makes THEM feel tough or something is absurd. 

I assume you're like this guy interviewed in the Post, another person who lacked the cognitive ability to understand the importance and seriousness of this until it literally happened to them. Try learning to care about people in your community you don't know or can't see. It will make you a more evolved human being. 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/florida-man-who-called-coronavirus-fake-crisis-gets-infected/

No, it is not a refund - it's more deceptive practices from the unethical, desperate bums running this broke company. 

3 hours ago, tallnthensome said:

Anyone booking just about anything new on NCL right now for 2021 is getting ripped off big time whether they realize it or not .....

Anyone booking just about anything new on NCL right now period is absolutely insane or pitiably ignorant. 

11 hours ago, boatseller said:

They'll be fine.  By Fall, people won't care too much anymore about the ccv.  Just look at the beaches and bars in New York of all places this weekend.  For the vast, vast majority of people, it's nothing or a mild to bad cold.  Not worth cancelling life over.

 

People who have the known risks shouldn't be cruising, everyone else can sail away.

So you'll sign a waiver saying you won't take up a ventilator or ICU bed if you get sick? 

1 hour ago, seaman11 said:

 

If you have done reporting or editing. You should know that. 

That's literally how I make my living. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 

1 hour ago, seaman11 said:

 

I had to dig for that story btw. 

You had to "dig" for that because it's not newsworthy, like I already explained. 

15 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

good news is being suppressed by the media.  they get more clicks by posting for the doom and gloom crowd. 

 

 

https://cruiseradio.net/carnival-breeze-arrives-europe-to-disembark-crew/

No good news is not "being suppressed" by the media. If you ever worked as a reporter or an editor, you'd understand the more newsworthy story is what's happening to the vast majority of crew members who remain stranded/imprisoned, not a single ship delivering a minuscule fraction of the individuals in question. I can point you to myriad pieces of reporting that specifically reference SOME repatriation efforts are ongoing, but only for a tiny slice of crew members, but I have better things to do. 

19 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

haha locked on a ship for months you say?   

Tell it navy and Royal navy men . 

 

 

With the exception of some submariners (who are subject to extensive psychological screening) no Navy or Royal Navy sailor (by the way there are women serving in both country's navies and have been for years, if you're not aware) would be confined to the ship without shore leave for months.

But by all means do get back to incessantly posing about how cruises are starting up tomorrow or whatever...

On 5/12/2020 at 9:20 PM, graphicguy said:

Suicide isn’t a act of a stable person, regardless of profession.  

This is a psychological issue, not a cruise line issue, no matter how much you want it to be.

Lets see you locked on a cruise ship with no end in site under the conditions these people are facing and lets see what your "psychological" condition is after a few months. 

49 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Blame the United States of America’s who won’t let the crew get to their flights (which were all arranged). I would think that it is low risk to take crew directly from the ships via bus to the commenter/charter terminal (not normal passenger terminal) and control the crew there and get them on the way. 

Gotcha and who should I blame for the BLATANTLY FALSE threat that crew members could be subject to CRIMINAL PROSECUTION for disseminating info about what's happening on the ship - a shameless and unethical strong arm move meant to further frighten a group of already frightened, powerless people into corporate subservience. 

13 minutes ago, hallux said:

Isn't this the same doom and gloom article about how crew are being treated but just posted by a different news outlet?  There have been similar articles posted here recently...

The crews (prisoners at this point) are being treated poorly, and that's putting it VERY mildly. Some of them are literally killing themselves to escape this Kafka-esque nightmare. Try having some empathy? 

On 5/15/2020 at 7:47 AM, skywonder said:

So true,  the way they are treating customers does not make any sense. NCL just does not care about its customers at all.

Anyone not in the Haven is just resource-consuming meat to Frank Del Rio. 

NCL is a shady, dishonest, unethical company. Full stop. 

Condolences to this man's family and friends. I'm sure he saved a lot of lives during his years at sea. 

5 hours ago, seaman11 said:

i think you are just guessing,  the cruise industry will fold if it took that long to restart. 

That's what's going to happen. It's over. 

3 hours ago, blcruising said:

No. Norwegian doesn't communicate on a frequent basis. They have no brand ambassador. They are on Facebook posting drink recipes and Spotify playlists. Cheers.

Frank Del Rio is their brand ambassador. 

Won't be an issue because nobody is sailing on a cruise ship in 2020. I guess some people spend longer in the "denial" stage of the grief process than others. 

NCL wouldn't do any cold layups unless they expected the ships to be idle until 6 months from now at the earliest. 

18 hours ago, mking8288 said:

Here ... from Encore's livecam.  Epic has turned off their shipcam.

Norwegian Star left GSC and is returning to POM, based on and tracked on AIS.  The other floatilla of ships west of the island chains are still anchored there.  

The NCL ships should launch landing parties and seize CocoCay. 

4 minutes ago, Corliss said:

 

Yes, apparently.

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/26/pharmaceutical-firm-aytu-bioscience-testing-uv-lig/

Bless your heart. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494744-poison-control-centers-report-increase-in-calls-pertaining-to-exposure-to

It was valuable and hopeful to suggest people inject disinfectants and get UV light "inside the body?" 

46 minutes ago, yankees111 said:

This is an accurate statement. One day Covid-19 will be a thing of the past!

He was talking about April. I guess we still have 4 more days. 

So close yet so far

https://www.*****/cruise-ship-webcams/norwegian-cruise-line/norwegian-bliss/

6 hours ago, blcruising said:

One of the large competitor cruise lines is reportedly attempting to patent the words "EMUSTER" and "SEAFACE". This could give some indication of what the future may hold. I have a feeling the future will be a lot more than washing hands.

That's fascinating. 

https://www.*****.com/2020/04/25/royal-caribbean-files-trademark-possible-electronic-muster-drills

18 hours ago, roger001 said:

I did see a news article today where Lysol is advising us to NOT inject their germ disinfecting solutions.  So, guess that option is off the NCL list of preventive measures.   

Maybe they'll convert one of the thermal suite rooms in the spa into something to let you get UV light "inside the body."