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6 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

The virus does not spread any faster or is more contagious on a cruise ship than in a taxi, subway, bus, airplane, amusement park, theater, or Walmart. 

Only someone with absolutely NO formal education in virology, epidemiology, microbiology, or medicine or science in general would say something that ignorant....so, you. 

If you didn't dedicate your life to studying this, at least have the common sense to listen to the people who did. 

6 hours ago, hamrag said:

Oh no....another thread started by 'Uncle Albert'....perhaps the moderators will note the ridiculous number of his new threads, all with similar themes! 🙃

I genuinely feel sorry for him. 

24 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

This is no different than the flu

Nobody should read this absurdly ignorant post beyond this utterly false and ridiculously dangerous statement. 

There are vaccines for influenza. There are therapeutic treatments for influenza. There is at least SOME herd immunity from exposure to previous strains of influenza. Influenza is not nearly as contagious as COVID-19. 

None of that is true for COVID-19, and if you can't appreciate how significant that is you're not qualified to speak on the subject. Please listen to the countless medical professionals who actually know what they're talking about who all say you are dead wrong about this piece of odious misinformation. 

This guy thought like you do...until he felt that endotracheal tube being snaked down his throat.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/florida-man-who-called-coronavirus-fake-crisis-gets-infected/

7 minutes ago, pmd98052 said:

Also worth noting that in Florida where people seem to have high individual risk profiles... today they had 1,200 new cases the highest number since April 24th. If I recall Florida opened early. It’s gonna be a big whoopsie there. Meanwhile large city on Alabama is out of ICU beds. This party is just getting started.

Responsible people tried to warn them...

4 minutes ago, pmd98052 said:

With a highly contagious virus with a high death rate being spread via air there is no such thing as a “individual risk profile”

 

You seem to miss that your choices in your “individual risk profile” impact far more than just yourself. Your risk profile becomes everyone’s. Lowest common denominator wins.

He just doesn't care about how his actions impact others, but without the courage to simply admit it outright. 

58 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Again with the Ad Hominem.  All that means is you can't support you position.  I'll still let you quit while I'm ahead.

Ahead? If you want to go back and read the reactions to our posts in this thread, a hell of a lot more people reading here agree with me than you. 

Comparing melanoma skin cancer and COVID-19 is such a ridiculous idea it's not even deserving of a response. 

43 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Yeah, and I'm not worried about cancer either, no reason to be despite semi frequent visits to California where apparently everything causes cancer.  I wear sunscreen, fabulous hats and I'm good to go.  Would you recommend everyone spend their lives in a dark room except for 15 minutes to generate Vitamin D?  Serious question.  ~7000 people will die from melanoma this year and staying in a dark room is a very easy way to prevent this.  You agree I assume.

No, that is not a serious question to anyone with a functioning brain. 

48 minutes ago, boatseller said:

  All by people you think are suicidal spreaders.  Happy cruising!

Jesus H. Christ. How can an adult with a job and I assume a driver's license be this obtuse. 

1. It has nothing to do with being "suicidal." The reason quarantine orders are so important is because of the risk you post to OTHER PEOPLE, not yourself. 

2. As to being a spreader, YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. A person who thinks they're perfectly healthy with zero symptoms could be an active spreader, so while you're out strutting around enjoying your AMURCAN FREEDOM you could be putting countless people at risk - but as is abundantly clear you simply don't care. 

3. Looking forward to your defamation lawsuit. You seem to know as much about the law as you do about statistics, which actually bragged earlier in this thread about sleeping through after saying guidance issued by epidemiologists (who I assure you didn't sleep through statistics) who you think are wrong about the dangers this novel virus poses. 

I was raised to be ashamed of ignorance and selfishness. My experience clearly is not universal. 

38 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Go ahead...I'll wait...ok, though so.

Again with this. You clearly think this is just so clever, but I'd love to know what you're waiting for. I'm supposed to respond to what you're writing - as you're writing it - before you post it?

1 hour ago, boatseller said:

 

*Yes, I did have to refresh my memory on this.  I hated statistics class and found the time better used to sleep. 🙂 

What a shock - the guy spewing ignorant misinformation about the current public health situation slept through statistics. Maybe you should try listening to the people who didn't, you know, like epidemiologists, virologists, etc. 

2 hours ago, boatseller said:

Do you have any evidence for this otherwise defamatory statement?  Anything at all.  A quote, a word, a link.  A post I liked.  Anything.  I'll be super generous in interpreting.  Go ahead...I'll wait...Ok, though so.  Wait...laughing again...ok, still nothing?  Figures.

 

Wait..sorry, laughing again....ok, back....

 

I agree, not worth debating someone who relies almost exclusive on ad hominem and is proven wrong on maybe the first attempted fact.  So, I win!  Yes, I win. 🙂

Truth is an absolute defense to defamation claims. If you'd like my mailing address so you can serve me with your lawsuit I'll be happy to provide it. 

And again with your "Go ahead...Ill wait...Ok, thought so." I'd love to know how I'm supposed to respond to your post, as you compose it, before you post it? 

4 minutes ago, swmichigan cruiser said:

You can pick as many as you can handle. I think I already said that in my post.(of course you might think both)

 

My mistake - I should have included a third option: hopelessly naive.

That said, I sincerely appreciate that you value my opinion so highly. If you have any additional questions please don't hesitate to follow up. Have a lovely evening!

An interesting Rorschach test would be to ask who is the bigger jerk here? The Costco employee, or Captain America?

1 hour ago, swmichigan cruiser said:

Just curious because I value your opinion so highly do you think I am absolutely insane or pitiably ignorant. I booked a 17 night cruise on the Encore today for October 28,2021. No money out of pocket because I used FCC and Cruise Next certificates and I can cancel with no penalties anytime before final payment. And also get any price drops.  Of course you might think I am both as I have only been on about 75 cruises so far I am sure many less than you.

Can I only pick one? 

47 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Frankly, I think it's terrible you just assume everyone else is looking to be some careless super-spreader.  You still need to definitively answer the flu question by the way.

No, I don't. Anyone who tries to justify their boorish, selfish, ignorant refusal to abide by quarantine guidelines and cites influenza only reveals themselves to, by definition, know absolutely nothing about the scientific, medical and epidemiological reality of this situation. You don't know if you're a super-spreader or not. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. Stay home. IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. YOU. 

40 minutes ago, AdoraBelle said:

Hey, do you know what helps tremendously with herd immunity, with far less loss of life? Vaccines. Go get sick before then if you want, infect some people in your community on the way, but no, I won’t be thanking you for it. My gratitude goes to the healthcare workers and scientists. 

And the grocery clerks and cashiers that any pig who "refuses" to wear a mask is recklessly endangering. 

I'm sure the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who have lost a friend or loved one to this disease in the last 2 months, many of them likely because of people who "refused" to act responsibly and wear a mask, are so thankful. What a disgusting sentiment. I wish these people would just admit they don't give two flips about anyone but themselves. 

1 minute ago, SeaShark said:

 

Wow...a SINGLE instance (not "a single instance") you say. How many instances are required to refute the claim that "Cuomo never once.."??

 

One seems sufficient for me. 

I don't care what you think, just like probably 90% of the people on these boards. I'm just too lazy to learn how to use the ignore feature. 

11 minutes ago, boatseller said:

So feel free to quite while I'm ahead.  Or would you like me to point out why the PopSci article really wasn't the best choice to counter with?

Oh go ahead, this should be fun...

12 minutes ago, boatseller said:

 

Um..so, there's this:  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-cuomo-labels-coronavirus-the-european-virus-in-latest-press-briefing

 

And a whole page of search results to corroborate.  Just saying...

Okay, I was wrong. You found a SINGLE instance, from one press conference, out of the dozens and dozens Cuomo gave. Congrats. And guess what? It was stupid of him to call it that. He should use the terminology of doctors and scientists, which he generally does except for this single sentence out of literally months of briefings. 

10 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Yep, and of all you attendant assumptions, some are 100% correct and the other are expectedly misguided.  And yes, I am looking very much forward to making cruising great again.

What a shock. 

5 minutes ago, SeaShark said:

 

I know, right. You wonder why they'd say that given that Governor Cuomo identified to as the European Virus?

Cuomo has never once referred to COVID-19 as the "European Virus." He uses the same terminology that that doctors and scientists do - like any responsible public official or "leader" should. 

1 minute ago, ColeThornton said:

 

Chinese Corona Virus?

The only people who call it that are non-medical professionals who think injecting disinfectants is a good idea.

Just now, AdoraBelle said:

 

Sorry, are you suggesting that the prevalence of severe clotting issues in COVID19 is just anecdotal? What source would be good enough for you?

 

And I guess you're not buying this either, or at least not enough kids have been affected yet:

 

https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2020/han00432.asp

 

Every day they find some new horrible twist for this disease, including stuff that is showing up way late in the disease course. 

Apparently the New England Journal of Medicine is too "anecdotal" for this person. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009787

2 minutes ago, boatseller said:

So, this is where I point out that this is merely anecdotal evidence with no clinical study or verification?  🙂

I love it when people with no idea what they're talking about try to sound smart. 

You don't do a "clinical study" in this context. That's something you do to test treatments or drugs. 

8 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Except they're not...at least not at a greater rate then the myriad other conditions that befall seemingly healthy people.

That is absolutely not true. There is no other EXTREMELY contagious novel virus out there, with no vaccine and no treatment (no Trump's snake oil malaria drug cure doesn't work) with the ability to put a perfectly healthy young adult in the ICU.

And just focusing on deaths is a stupid metric. You should pay more attention to reporting like this, which your cavalier attitude clearly shows you haven't seen. 

https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-strokes-young-adults/