jimbo5544

I would tend to agree that it tends to go to PC, Miami, Galveston (OK and Long Beach) and take on the tried and true (what you call boring ports). Partly, as was mentioned, because that s where the money is and partly because. well, the is what they always did. I expect with 5 new ships you may see something more,,,,out of the ordinary. As example, one might go down under (probably not what you wanted, but that is WAY different). I would be ecstatic that it freed up other ships for things totally out side of the comfort box, bordering on exotic (at least for Carnival). Another might be a new ship (or two) dedicated to shorter cruises (used to be used for the old maids before being sent to Turkey for scrap). We will see.

We will see when Carnival gives the details. Until then, it is nothing more than speculation.

When ships cost a billion or more, it changes things.

First and foremost, you are absolutely correct, from the Covid low till now is an amazing transition that they should hold their head high on their performance. Paying down that enormous debt and still order 5 new builds is simply outstanding. Where they go and how they will deploy is still far off, but I would not be shocked if there not some surprises along the way.

As is always the case, that totally depends on when you sail. But it will def have more than a Vista class in any case.

I do not care what any of that means, to me it is meaningless.

I was on the second sailing, thought ours was like under 3,000 as well. It certainly was a unique cruise. All the empty tables in the MDR was weird.

I have never seen a thing that does analysis between cabins and open space (whatever that means). The reason I asked is the news just came out. Is the relationship between occupants and number of cabins divided by tonage (water displacement) to cabins? Is it open air or inside? How does one determine or value “open space” anyways.

Curious of how you know that.

I am sure some of those ships days are numbered (as can be said for all of us, more or less). For both RCCL and Carnival, it seems as though they have these growth spurts where they turn over a good portion of the fleet in a relatively short period of time. Great when you go through it but the down side is they reach a level of maturity at around the same time frame. All that said, I would echo your thoughts on older ships, especially in Europe.

Now THAT was a sad day watching them get beached over in Turkey.

We will be touring a HAL ship next month. Might have a cruise booked on one by then.

You would not want to be on them now.

That does not set the bar all that high.

It does not go into that detail. I am sure there will be more to follow.

We are not all that different.

you would be fine cents richer?

shorter, not smaller is what I read/heard.

I had seen that. To me, it is extremely interesting to see the lines adapting to this new built up (post covid) demand. Add in the size component and it creates a virtual whirlwind of variables. The whole ship as the destination can only go so far...., at least to me.

These home ports, Tampa, Jacksonville, Baltimore and to a much lesser extent (Charleston, Mobile, etc.) have significant obstacles. RCCL is rumored to be coming out with a new class that is significant lower but wider that will breach these issues. I will wait till I see the conceptual on CCL's new class before making my mind up.

They have, as well as building a new terminal outside the bridge. That would take a huge effort, both in time and dead presidents.

As we have seen from RCCL, when ships get that big, the options are limited.

It was Fincantieri that brought forth this concept.

if by trend you mean Excel class, than I would agree. Just have to wait and see for this class. Again, they mirror their competitors in cabin size.

I did say that you did, just stating the facts of why the Spirit class size (and I love it as well) will not come to pass (at least for the CCL line anyway). Your point on the age of the ships that serve the height issue access markets is a valid one. Not sure I have heard any true response to what happens when....