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Thanks for all your info. I know it'd be here somewhere but can you remind me what the typical allowable range is between too high and too low? Obviously the average level may not be particularly meaningful though a seasonal average, if available, would be good. When the river is too high, is the issue just bridge clearance or is the river flowing fast and does this affect the riverships?

The only thing that turned out to be true was it would be too big for AU. The newbuild originally allocated to P&O AU that ended up going to P&O UK is now the Arvia. At 180K tonnes, it is hard to see how it could be used down here and achieve anything approaching good loads year-round.

Yes, like me, you tend to see Dora being replaced by something around 90K tonnes rather the larger and, by then, quite aged Grand Princess. Given P&O Australia could theoretically draw a new fleet member from across the wider Carnival Corp fleet, there are quite a number of early 2000's vessels that may be available to them. This could include Carnival Spirit class, Princess Coral class, HAL Vista class which also includes things like P&O UK Arcadia and Costa's Luminosa class which is really a subset of the Spirit class. What is almost certain is Dora won't be replaced by a newbuild. No one, except the premium lines, are building sub 100K ships anymore and P&O Australia never gets newbuilds anyway.

It is likely both the Grand Princess and Pacific Explorer have very low book values in the Carnival accounts. Carnival Corp has a policy of depreciating ships over 30 years with a 15% residual and any improvements are depreciated at a variable rate depending on the age of the ship so an older ship has its modifications amortised much faster than a new ship. In addition, Carnival did review the value of their fleet during the pandemic and further wrote down ships whose value was judged to be less than book value.

Carnival Australia is interesting in that both brands operate under the corporate body Carnival Australia Pty Ltd. In operations the structure splits with Jan Swartz, (Head of Holland America Group) being responsible for P&O Australia as well as HAL, Princess and Seabourn. Marguerite Fitzgerald reports to Swartz and oversees the Australian shared services for Princess, Carnival and P&O. Operationally, the 2 Carnival Australia ships are not managed by Swartz however with them being managed under the control of Christine Duffy, the global head of Carnival Cruises.

You are correct. Given its age, it is not particularly surprising that Pacific Explorer will be retired from the P&O fleet in the next 3 to 4 year but it would make no sense to replace it with a ship that is only one year younger. Realistically, with the inexorable growth in the size of their ships, you would expect that Princess will look to jettison Coral Princess or Island Princess in the next few years and these would make a more logical replacement for Pacific Explorer.

Does that mean the scraping will not occur and, if so, what does that mean for the upcoming Pacific Explorer NZ season commencing at the end of June?

One advantage of starboard is you'll get the Opera House outside your balcony as you depart. Port side will have the better view whilst you are docked at OPT

Here is the Travelmarvel pricelist for laundry. I asked them for our cruise in August and they sent me an email with it.

What would Anthem bring that its Quantum Class siblings do not already? The Oasis class was not designed for tendering so it is hard to see how it could be used in our region. So many of our ports are just unable to successfully dock a ship of that size. Where would it go?

I don't think it is correct to say cruising is unsuccessful in Australia. In fact CLIA announced this week that the cruising recovery in Australia is amongst the strongest in the world https://www.cruising.org.au/ccms.r?Pageid=6022&tenid=CLIA&DispMode=goto|10514 Of course, there are limiting issues but they are really down to 3 things: Even when combined Australia and NZ have a fairly small population. Our ~30M is a long way short of North America's ~370M or western Europe's ~200M. This means bank for buck, it is easier for the cruiselines to make money with new large ships in the Caribbean or the Med. We are a long way from just about everywhere. For a foreigner to come to this region involves a long and expensive flight. Europeans can get to the Caribbean or New Yorkers to the Med in less time than it takes a Singaporean to get to Sydney. Even our shortest 7 night South Pacific cruises from Sydney require 4 seadays. Our small population and remote location means we have very few year round cruising options. It is basically New Caledonia/Vanuatu or North Queensland. Anything else is seasonal or too far away. Most of us will have seen Youtubes of the English all-year P&O ships doing cold weather cruising to Germany and The Netherlands and it looks miserable even on a huge ship like Iona or Britannia. I'm pretty sure we don't want to copy that.

Looking forward to hearing about your experience on Travelmarvel. We are doing Amsterdam to Budapest with Travelmarvel in August.

Melbourne for an overnight (dock 0800 depart 1700 next day) - Plenty of things to do and just about everything is open on a weekend. Ship will dock at Station Pier in Port Melbourne which is 15 minute tram ride into CBD. Dunedin (0900-1900) We did an independent 3 port tour (Dunedin, Wellington and Napier) that we bought on line. It was great in covering the sites in all 3 cities with pickups at or near the port.. Christchurch (0800-1800) Haven't cruised there but I understand the port is about 12kms from Christchurch. Christchurch is a pretty city but there is plenty to also see in the Canterbury region Picton (0900-1900) Really pretty place if the weather is good. Cruise ships dock about 3kms from town with bus transfers between port. This is near the Marlborough wine region if you like Sauvignon Blancs. Wellington (0700-1700) See above. Large cruise ships dock in container port with bus transfers Gisborne (1000-1800) Haven't been Rotorua (Tauranga)(0900-1800) Tauranga and Mount Maunganui are pretty seaside towns in their own right. Rotorua is about 60kms inland and is a centre for Maori culture as well as the smelly thermal ponds etc. Whangarei (0800-1900) Haven't been Napier (1000-1800) See above. Our tour did both Napier and the wider Hawkes bay region which was good as the scenery is great and there are only so many art-deco houses you can look at before getting a bit bored. Bluff (0800-1700) Haven't been A 2nd Overnight in Melbourne (1000-0400) As above. Given they are overnight stays, you may want to look at a trip to Phillip Island to see the famous penguins, wildlife and stunning coastline. In summer, these wouldn't get back to the city / port until after midnight as it is about 130km to the island. Geelong (0800-1800) Anchor From Geelong, the obvious day tours would be along the stunning Great Ocean Road to towns such as Lorne and Torquay as well as the subtropical rainforests of the Otway Ranges

Coral Princess is a little bit larger than Sun Class 91,000 tonnes compared with the Sun Clas at 77,000 tonnes. It is also about 30 metres longer but has very similar capacity of just under 2000 passengers. Ships this size (also including ships such as Carnival's Spirit class and RCL's Radiance Class) do seem ideally suited to Australian waters for a few reasons. 2,000 passengers is about the size the cruiselines can consistently fill year round. Much bigger than that and there can be very light loads in the off-season which means the ships have to sent to Asia or Alaska over our winter so they can be profitably deployed. Given many ports in the Pacific rely on tendering, anything much bigger can be quite painful for passengers to get off and on the ship. Significantly larger ships such as RCL's Oasis class were not designed for tendering at all. Ships this size can still have a range of features that make them desirable such as specialty restaurants, waterslides etc. Smaller ships, of which there aren't many left anyway except for the premium lines, are limited in this regard.

It is a slightly bonkers system. When I booked my June cruise, all mini-suites and suites were shown as fully booked so I was slightly bemused to be offered to bid for an upgrade to a non-existent room. I guess they could use them for late cancellations but it does seem a bit clumsy. The airlines upgrade system is more sophisticated in that it targets specific passengers and only really offers seats that are likely to become available though the airline system has meant it is now even harder to get an upgrade using points.

Yes there does seem to be a disparity between Travelmarvel and Scenic. Maybe Travelmarvel is cheaper as everyone pays for all laundry with no free laundry inclusions whereas a significant portion of Scenic passengers have a free component. It would be interesting to see if APT have the same pricelist as Travelmarvel.

Attached is the laundry price list from Travelmarvel APT on their European river cruises. Overall, I don't think they are unreasonable.

What country/language does Tauck target for its key sales? I notice their website offers AUD pricing but I never see any advertising or travel agent promotions for them here. Their pricing looks high so I assume they are targetted at the ultra-premium end of the market against brands such as Uniworld rather than more mainstream brands like Scenic, APT and Viking.

It was announced at P&O's recent celebrations that the channel at Townsville is being dredged so cruise ships can enter the port. It would add another potential port on North Qld itineraries though a cruise around Willis Island would still be required to allow the duty free shops to open up.

I haven't been on Grand Princess but would expect that it is the next ship to leave the Princess fleet. It is the oldest ship in the fleet by far and the only remaining member of the original Grand class in the fleet with her sisters Golden and Star now both with P&O Aust.

The simple fact is the cruiselines can make a lot more money from their ships doing a northern hemisphere season in Alaska or Northern Asia than they can by keeping them in Australian waters. As has been said, Australia is a very big place with only a limited number of port options. In winter months, the realistic departure points for those wanting to quickly escape the cold are Brisbane, Cairns or Darwin but the latter two mean a very expensive airfare usually has to be added to the fare cost. Smaller ships can and do offer itineraries over winter from northern ports but the daily cruise fare is typically 3 or 4 times what is expected on the main cruiselines. Melbourne has a short season because it is really only suited to southern Australia or NZ itineraries. Pacific Island itineraries struggle from Melbourne because, for the same amount of time to be available in the islands, the overall cruise has to be 4 days longer than the equivalent cruise from Sydney and, in cooler months, those extra days are probably going to be spent stuck indoors. Many complain about itineraries from Sydney and Brisbane but the options are limited. For a 7-10 day cruise, the options are New Caledonia/Vanuatu or North Queensland and the latter requires a day cruise out to Willis Island so the lines can offer profitable duty free shopping onboard. There are longer cruise options such as PNG, Fiji or Samoa but these are typically much harder to fill and usually end up with too many sea-days for many passengers.

I made a booking last week on Explorer and had the same note appear on my booking confirmation which, at the time, was only a 72 hour hold. I rang P&O and said that if I couldn't get a Queen bed I would not go ahead with the booking. The agent on the phone changed my booking over the phone so that I got the configuration I wanted. Obviously, this can be a problem with discounted guaranteed cabin bookings as the guaranteed bookings get whatever is left after the specific cabin bookings are completed so it is something to keep an eye out for.

Glad you're getting back on your feet. My mum lost my dad when she was only 43 and found sole travel a great experience and way to meet new people.

What a disappointing outcome. Like you, I have saved for a one-in-a-lifetime experience for our Travelmarvel cruise in August and would be shattered if it ended up like yours has. I don't blame you for hopping off; you didn't pay the amount you have to do a bus tour. Hopefully, Scenic compensates you handsomely even though it won't overcome your disappointment but maybe you can try again sometime in the future though I assume you'll be looking at someone other than Scenic.

That is incredibly disappointing; Regensberg is not even halfway to Amsterdam so your holiday can hardly be called a river cruise at all. I do not understand how Scenic cannot organise an alternative ship to meet you up further up-river to resume your cruise onboard as you would have thought they have a similar issue with ships heading towards Budapest. I would be demanding a substantial portion of your cruise cost to be refunded.