SeaShark

I think you'd be surprised at just how far the top part can extend over the chassis. Heck, you could even build an entire structure on only one side and STILL maintain level and balance. Those fancy pants maritime engineers know far more than they are given credit for on these forums. Of course, they don't have a pool, or a place for loungers, but they do have once heck of an airport.

First, "emerald on NCL"? Sorry, but there is no such thing as "emerald on NCL", and even if there were, it likely wouldn't be relevant to your question. Second, "cruising routinely but just not on NCL" actually IS relevant to your question. It is, of course, a business, and must cater to the supply and demand of the market. When people choose "not on NCL", the demand goes down and the line leaves for greener pastures. Thus you lose the option to cruise them from that port. In short, NCL can make $x by sailing out of NY in the winter, and $y by sailing elsewhere in the winter. Obviously, in this case, $y > $x.

Scary. But what about the weight of all of the stuff on the lower decks? The stuff you can't easily see like engines, generators, laundry machinery, refrigeration units, fuel tanks, pumps, stores, ballast tanks, etc?

How do you not? The inference is so clear I'm surprised that Captain Obvious didn't announce it. Yes, the premium and luxury brands (interesting that in your post you capitalize premium and luxury, but use small letters on mass market) do not have this "overt caste system", mainly because it comes built in to the premium and luxury concept...the poors have already been excluded.

While I do see the point you are trying to make, you have to understand that it only holds water (pardon the pun) where the Venn Diagram of marine engineers and people who have cruises are mutually exclusive. The is zero evidence that this is the case, and I think that even considering it is a fool's errand.

Would be very interesting for sure, but I think they'd get a better deal on Billboards right now. That said, if it were up to me, NCL would be getting the rights to Spam A Lot.

That certainly would be "convenient", but giving into that temptation is simply admitting that experienced cruisers really can't design a ship. I thought this was a realistic discussion, if it is fantasy, then it belongs in the Floataway Lounge.

Maybe you should ask @chengkp75 to explain the free surface effect of water before you . . . go off the deep end.

That is because those early posts came from people who realizes that it really isn't about fantasy, but it comes from an attempt to show that you don't need to be a trained marine engineer to design a cruise ship....experienced cruisers can also present realistic, practical, and popular design ideas based in reality just as good as those from the engineers...if not better.

Problem is that your position depends on there being no intersection in the Venn Diagram of "experienced cruisers" and "marine architects". Which is, IMHO, a shaky position that is likely to be totally false. How can you even allege that the design occurs in a vaccum?

Telling tales out of school with no push back or research isn't a "source" for anything unless you gullible. You can make up all the "sources" you want, still doesn't explain the discrepancy in the time line. And, "not really sure why". Seriously? That says far more about your lack of understanding. Maybe you should become "really sure why" before spouting. Some random dude and his 50+ sources...LOL.

That is what happens when you just re-publish what you are fed instead of investgating and verifying the facts of a story. NCL buys ads, media company publishes puff piece full of unquestioned "stories". Still doesn't explain the timeline. You'll have a hard task do debunk that. On a related note, the DOJ in a court filing is now saying Hunter's laptop is legit and they knew it the whole time. Gotta wonder though about the 50+ experts who said it was russian disinformation. I guess you can't believe everything you read.

While FDR may have grandkids, and while those grandkids may love gokarts, I seriously doubt that your statement is true. Consider: First NCL ship with gokarts was the Norwegian Bliss, which was ordered in 2014...BEFORE FDR was a part of NCLH. That aside, I was only pointing out that it can't simply be assumed that the ship designers have no cruise experience of their own. This has nothing to do with FDR, his decendants, or gokarts.

The fly in the ointment here is that, for this statement to be valid, the professional ship designers would have to have ZERO cruise experience. Would that be something that is a known fact, or are we simply throwing out wild guesses as to whether or not they have cruise experience of their own?

Sure, since switching keys (A gets B's key and B gets A's Key) and get additional keys (A has their key and B's key and B has their key and A's key) are just grammatical variations. Gawd forbid you have to admit you erred. Sorry, wrong poster...I wasn't the one who suggested "switching keys". However I now understand that was just a grammar issue. But I assume that you already knew that.

Hmmm...if it was "very common knowledge" it wouldn't need to be posted here as everyone would already be aware. "Switch keys" is a great idea until the adult goes to get a drink and all they are carrying is a key card of an under 21 guest...

Perhaps there might be less "mocking" if people wouldn't present their opinions/ideas/desires as absolute fact. We all know that ships are designed by educated marine engineers, so if you somehow feel that your education/experience somehow trumps theirs, it is simply helpful to explain just why that is. Easy to say "triple the size of the pool" when you don't have to explain where that large pool would go. Perhaps some constructive criticism with some viable and well thought out alternatives and implementation plans would be better received. It's akin to saying "we can simply eliminate homelessness by giving all of the homeless a house". Easy to say, but not so much when you dive into the nuts and bolts of it...

Oh please. Show me one post where someone described the pool deck on a Jewel class ship as being "spacious" or with "plenty of deck chairs". 🙄

Except that I wouldn't. Simply because, as noted, you don't. If you can't alter a set of already published deck plans (knows everything about ship design but can't edit a jpg using Microsoft Paint...smh), then expound on your example. On a ship of 3,000 what exactly is the correct number of seats for the Improv?

Given how sure you all are, perhaps your up to a challenge (yeah, right). Go get the deck plans for Prima/Viva and edit/redraw them to where they'd represent YOUR idea of what the professionals got wrong and how you'd fix it. Then come back an upload your plans.

No doubt very similar to the armchair cruise critics who are 100% self-assured that they know better than the people who design ships for a living.

Ah yes, the "bigger pool" advocates. They are my favorite. Right up there with the "more deck chairs" crowd. What they always gloss over is that the bigger pool means less room for deck chairs, and more deck chairs means less room for a pool. Not to mention that they (apparently) ignore the free surface effect.

So after building seven mega-ships (Epic thru Encore), NCL decides to build some medium size ships to fill the gap between the 2000 passenger ships and the mega-ships...something that can go to more ports, especially those without Icon of the Seas sized berths, and the prevailing logic on CC is "You know, these new ships would be great if they just made them BIGGER". 🙄

Yeah? And? That's one case. What about all the others?

Given the obvious interest in the Vibe and that it still consistently sells out, is the current pricing "crazy"? If it is still selling out, is the current price still not what the market will bear? Was the $79 price waaaaay underpriced (and isn't THAT "crazy")? One thing that always seems to get missed in these price threads: Do the people who complain about the high price ever consider, even if just for a moment, that the issue might not lie in the pricing, but instead in their financial means?