georgiaguy

7 hours ago, hcat said:

they believe it builds interest

.ho hum!

Well it did get folks talking so kinda successful…

So do we think this a temporary reduction, an accident, or the new price?

Sailing from Europe they will likely make announcements in Spanish and English and if there is a language challenge to talk to guest relations and they should be able to connect you with crew that speak the needed language.

I guess I could technically say two because I am going on a Royal cruise in Jan but that is work related and wasnt something I picked or planned so I didnt count it. We did pick our Mar cruise though. We were looking at a Mexico trip for something different but the price was right for the Ascent cruise so we went with that. We are a little more limited as well because we have two young kids under 5 (on still under 3) and have decided to not spend a lot on vacations with them until they are older and will actually enjoy the experiences a little more. So they spend time with grandparents and cousins during the cruise.

11 hours ago, NMTraveller said:

It would be more informative to do the same poll by age group.  As my theory was that older cruisers cruise more vs millennials due to income and time.

That could be an interesting poll as well. If you put it up I will participate.

1 hour ago, NMTraveller said:

So how do you count a 14 day cruise vs a 3 day cruise?  Multiple cabins vs just 1?

Not scientific so just listening for general info really. Promise this isnt about you, you just sparked the curiosity. I like data. I find it interesting. It is one of the things I really fell in love with in college studying poli sci. 

11 hours ago, jelayne said:

Does a B2B2B count as 1 or 3?

I would say three because you still pay three fares.

1 hour ago, lola2013 said:

How about “Not often enough” 😉

(Playing Family Feud music in my head) Survey says: #1 answer

1 hour ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

Wondering what the suggestion was, I missed it.

Someone suggested that for a majority here on CC it is between 3 and as many as 20. 

To clarify this could be how many times do I plan to cruise in the future or what has been my pattern. And again asking that this not turn into a griping thread.

Just curious if a suggestion someone made yesterday is true so thought I would unscientifically test it.  This, of course, means this is just for fun so please do not turn this into something it is not. 

Actually on that note. I am done responding here or looking at this thread because frankly I don’t care enough to keep discussing.

On a serious note, maybe that means you are out of touch with what the rest of the “normal” people want because the ships are still sailing full. Seriously what percentage of folks do you think cruise that much? 

Just means I will still be cruising when you are long gone…

52 minutes ago, ISABELLA said:

They need to realize that some of the younger demographic don't have the money. 

Guess it depends what you mean by younger. I’m 40, but at this point my spouse and I can save up for an annual vacation. Just a reminder millennials started turning 40, 3 years ago.

By the way. I agree with you that this poll tracks with the opinions of many on CC. 

You just defined confirmation bias. 

Also this board is self selecting as well and even if 100% of CC folks agree doesn’t mean that the whole rest of the world agrees. 

If this poll had come to the opposite conclusion you would be calling it fake and not reflecting reality. That is called confirmation bias. 

Just now, NMTraveller said:

The type of AI and ML analysis done on the web is sentiment analysis.  If you post something positive it is counted.  If you post something negative it is counted.  They then go back and count the negative sentiment words and categorize them.  A few posters who are outliers will not have an effect on the analysis.  If someone was to do this analysis on this board and site they would find out that food would be the #1 negative sentiment.  You would have to do the analysis to find the percentages.

And that is not the same thing as this poll…

29 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

There is no way that a scientific poll is going to change the results here.  The majority are dissatisfied with the leader.  There is nothing surprising about the results here either.

 

 

Maybe. Maybe not. That is certainly your opinion and certainly would be agreed to by many here at CC but there is no data to prove that and this poll does not prove that. 

Yes they scrape the internet for info but do you really think that all that gathered info is equally weighted?  Of course not because anyone can say anything on the internet. I can start posting that the sky is green over my house today but that doesn’t make it a fact. Anecdotal evidence is always secondary to data driven evidence because anecdotal can be outliers, or lies, or biased. And before someone says I am accusing someone of lying, I am not. I am making a general statement that lies can effect the outcome of any polling. 

And again. I am not saying the poll is not reflecting reality. Maybe it is, but we have no way of determining the veracity of the conclusions of this particular poll.

1 minute ago, NMTraveller said:

LOL.  What is the relevance?

 

While I would agree with you that the poll is not scientific and that the numbers may change  in a scientific poll.

 

The numbers in this poll are 10% are satisfied and 72% are dissatisfied.  Would you be happier if it was a scientific poll and the numbers came out with 20% are satisfied and 62% are dissatisfied?  Or 5% are satisfied and 77% are dissatisfied?  The numbers are so lopsided that a scientific poll is not going to change the end result.  The trend is obvious...

The point is that those numbers don’t mean anything because of the problem of self selecting sample. They literally could be blue are satisfied and keyboard are dissatisfied and make the same amount of sense because the numbers can only be taken anecdotally. I am not saying it is wrong. I am saying that you cant conclude anything from this poll. I would be happy with the numbers if it was scientific because they would actually mean something.

If I take an unscientific poll right now that comes up with 72% prefer cats vs 10% dogs, would that mean most people prefer cats. Of course not cause we would recognize those numbers can not be used to conclude anything. That is all I am saying. 

8 hours ago, NMTraveller said:

Corporations that ignore social media are destined to failure.  That seems the path that Celebrity has taken.

 

We could use AI and ML to figure this out for them...

Didnt say that they should ignore social media, just that this particular poll cant be taken as anything more entertainment. It most likely self selected those who are dissatisfied as those are who are most likely to respond. Imagine for a second a hypothetical that the full sample size was 2800 (the current number of views). All of those who didnt respond could disagree with the conclusion  and it would overwhelming reverse the poll results but we don’t know cause they didnt respond. It also could be that they all agree confirming the results and the poll is completely accurate. 

The point is an unscientific poll doesn’t mean anything because self selection will never create a representative sample. So what do you you do with this? You pay attention to it but take it with a huge grain of salt because it is extremely limited in what it can tell us beyond anecdotal evidence. 

Unscientific polls literally mean nothing. From the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at Cornell: 

Unscientific pseudo-polls are widespread and sometimes entertaining, but they never provide the kind of information that belongs in a serious report. Examples include 900-number call-in polls, man-on-the-street surveys, many Internet polls, shopping mall polls, and even the classic toilet tissue poll featuring pictures of the candidates on each roll.

One major distinguishing difference between scientific and unscientific polls is who picks the respondents for the survey. In a scientific poll, the pollster identifies and seeks out the people to be interviewed. In an unscientific poll, the respondents usually "volunteer" their opinions, selecting themselves for the poll.

I might not have been clear. Celebrity paid crew more so we tended to be less rowdy than our colleagues on say carnival whose base pay was less. 

Is there any difference in the crew “rowdy” level based on the companies in port that day? I ask because when I worked for Celebrity we joked about how there was a pay to fun ratio. Basically, the lower the pay the more fun you had as crew or the other way around more pay but stricter rules.