Non Suite Guest using Suite Facilites

[halos]

No...not in the least.

 

What we are saying here is that if you were given Cagney's priveleges by the Hotel Director, that you do NOT have the right to give that privelege to someone else. The privelege would be extended to you...NOT to you and whomever you choose to bring along.

 

Actually, part of that privelege included bringing along someone else.....a guest of my choice.

 

I recall, someone from our CC group who did have a suite and was allowed to bring a guest with her each time she had lunch/breakfast at Cagneys :confused:

I just assumed, this was SOP.

(I have never had a suite so I don't know)

[SeaShark]

Actually, part of that privelege included bringing along someone else.....a guest of my choice.

 

I recall, someone from our CC group who did have a suite and was allowed to bring a guest with her each time she had lunch/breakfast at Cagneys :confused:

I just assumed, this was SOP.

(I have never had a suite so I don't know)

 

OK...let me put it another way.

 

ONLY NCL has the right to allow someone access to the private area and/or to have ammenitites.

 

Suite guests get this extended to them as part of their booking.

 

Additionally, NCL can extended benefits to whomever they choose. NCL can also let that person or persons "bring along a guest".

 

So, bottom line....The benefits are form whomever NCL designates. The fact that a person qualifies for these benefits does NOT automatically give that person the right to extend those benefits to others. ONLY NCL can do that.

 

 

Maybe its just me...but in light of your last sentence, maybe you shouldn't be offering advice on this topic. ;)

[aidanht]

Actually, part of that privelege included bringing along someone else.....a guest of my choice.

 

I recall, someone from our CC group who did have a suite and was allowed to bring a guest with her each time she had lunch/breakfast at Cagneys :confused:

I just assumed, this was SOP.

(I have never had a suite so I don't know)

 

 

That brings up a good point, actually. Most people are assuming that part of what you pay for when you pay for a suite is exclusivity in Cagneys, etc. That is only true if NCL's rule is that no guests are allowed in Cagneys, etc. Otherwise having a guest-free Cagneys is not part of the bargain at all; in fact, part of what you are paying for as a suite customer is the privilege of bringing non-suite guests with you to Cagneys.

 

When we sat down and made our list of pros and cons regarding whether to book a suite for our two upcoming NCL cruises (having heard such great things about the suite life) one of the cons we listed was the fact that the peaceful, blissful courtyard we might think we were paying for could turn out to be filled with obnoxious and loud people or unruly children (or, frankly, well-behaved children, because even well-behaved children are loud while splashing in a pool). I've paid to use spa facilities before only to be joined by people who think the spa is a great place to have a loud conversation, or argue with each other, or play their ipod just loud enough that others can hear it . . . . In other words, you might not get what you think you've paid for even if everyone there is a paying suite guest.

 

I don't know what NCL's rules actually are (which is why I asked the question earlier today) and it seems like there are many different ideas about what those rules are. Perhaps the biggest problem is that the rules are not made clear. I would never ask to have the rules overlooked so I could join my mother at Cagney's for lunch, but I would certainly not feel bad about doing so if the rule is that she is allowed to bring a guest to lunch. If there isn't a rule against having guests (and, again, I have no idea at this point if there is) I'm not sure why someone who isn't violating any rule should be reviled (e.g. asked to walk the plank); I would think your beef would be with NCL for not having the rule in the first place.

[swedish weave]

That brings up a good point, actually. Most people are assuming that part of what you pay for when you pay for a suite is exclusivity in Cagneys, etc. That is only true if NCL's rule is that no guests are allowed in Cagneys, etc. Otherwise having a guest-free Cagneys is not part of the bargain at all; in fact, part of what you are paying for as a suite customer is the privilege of bringing non-suite guests with you to Cagneys.

 

When we sat down and made our list of pros and cons regarding whether to book a suite for our two upcoming NCL cruises (having heard such great things about the suite life) one of the cons we listed was the fact that the peaceful, blissful courtyard we might think we were paying for could turn out to be filled with obnoxious and loud people or unruly children (or, frankly, well-behaved children, because even well-behaved children are loud while splashing in a pool). I've paid to use spa facilities before only to be joined by people who think the spa is a great place to have a loud conversation, or argue with each other, or play their ipod just loud enough that others can hear it . . . . In other words, you might not get what you think you've paid for even if everyone there is a paying suite guest.

 

I don't know what NCL's rules actually are (which is why I asked the question earlier today) and it seems like there are many different ideas about what those rules are. Perhaps the biggest problem is that the rules are not made clear. I would never ask to have the rules overlooked so I could join my mother at Cagney's for lunch, but I would certainly not feel bad about doing so if the rule is that she is allowed to bring a guest to lunch. If there isn't a rule against having guests (and, again, I have no idea at this point if there is) I'm not sure why someone who isn't violating any rule should be reviled (e.g. asked to walk the plank); I would think your beef would be with NCL for not having the rule in the first place.

 

Your post brings up another interesting question. How would you know who is paying and who is a guest ?

 

Even people who book suites can be loud and obnoxious, so that is not the question. Unless they tell you, you would have no way to know.

[aidanht]

That's exactly my point -- your suite neighbors could be obnoxious (or just boisterous, or just have lots of kids who like to play) and there would be nothing you could do about it . . . so much for getting the quiet you "paid for." Your neighbors would, quite correctly, say that they were getting the private play area for their kids that they "paid for."

[time2cruise1]

Your post brings up another interesting question. How would you know who is paying and who is a guest ?

 

Even people who book suites can be loud and obnoxious, so that is not the question. Unless they tell you, you would have no way to know.

 

I would not but NCL would. It is there job to to protect the value of the services they ask a lot of money for. :cool:

[halos]

OK...let me put it another way.

 

ONLY NCL has the right to allow someone access to the private area and/or to have ammenitites.

 

Suite guests get this extended to them as part of their booking.

 

Additionally, NCL can extended benefits to whomever they choose. NCL can also let that person or persons "bring along a guest".

 

So, bottom line....The benefits are form whomever NCL designates. The fact that a person qualifies for these benefits does NOT automatically give that person the right to extend those benefits to others. ONLY NCL can do that.

 

 

Maybe its just me...but in light of your last sentence, maybe you shouldn't be offering advice on this topic. ;)

 

I didn't offer advice..I asked questions.

The Op nor anyone else even asked for advice.

 

People are certainly snarky this weekend.....

 

 

I don't know what NCL's rules actually are (which is why I asked the question earlier today) and it seems like there are many different ideas about what those rules are. Perhaps the biggest problem is that the rules are not made clear. .

 

 

Which is why I'm asking questions ;)

[EileenN]

I agree with the statement regarding first class plane pax, and it is the same with courtyard villa pax. That was a great comparison.

We returned last month from a repo cruise on the Jewel in a Courtyard Villa. I watched several times during the sail as people came into Cagney's at lunch or breakfast to eat. They were greeted by the hostess and asked for their cabin number. If they were not on her list, they were not allowed to stay. One couple walked into lunch and took an empty table but were spoken to by the Madre D who asked again for the cabin number and when not on the list, they were asked to leave and walked to the hall. In each case they were politely spoken to and discreetly escorted out.

[erdoran]

I'm sure the NCL staff who work the suite areas are well-trained to monitor the area and make sure that only the people who have paid $$$$$ for access/use have access. It must be an everyday thing that people who don't know any better show up in the courtyard or Cagney's, or who do know better try to sneak in anyway.

 

Most likely making dinner reservations is only a small portion of the concierge's job--monitoring the area is probably a bigger portion!

[DMH15]

If I can have guests in my inside cabin without a problem, I don't understand why a person who books a suite should not be allowed to have guests. Is this a class system causing different opinions ?

 

I don't think the OP (and others) mean to imply someone can't invite others to their stateroom, but rather the shared courtyard or Cagney's. When my mom and I spent time in friends' CV, they explained that they could show us the CY, sundeck and lounge area, that any entertaining would need to be inside their CV, out of respect for other Villa folks. They had lunch brought in by their butler. During this cruise, we had a taste of the suite life and decided we would indeed be willing to splurge! Alas! Our next cruise was a 2-nighter and no suites were available. We booked a mini. Immediately after returning home I started researching and we booked the aft AC on the Sun... Loved it. Want to do the CV next. NCL really does the "suite life" right!

[DMH15]

I'm sure the NCL staff who work the suite areas are well-trained to monitor the area and make sure that only the people who have paid $$$$$ for access/use have access. It must be an everyday thing that people who don't know any better show up in the courtyard or Cagney's, or who do know better try to sneak in anyway.

 

Most likely making dinner reservations is only a small portion of the concierge's job--monitoring the area is probably a bigger portion!

 

 

There is a hostess checking her list at the suite venue for breakfast and lunch. I do suppose occasionally she has to step away and someone could wander in. But our concierge usually made a walk-through daily and she KNOWS who is on the list. Also, by day two or three, the waiters do too.

 

Secondly, the courtyard level requires a special access card for entry by elevator or stairway access... No one can just "wander in."

[Dr. Jack Daniels]

Never been in a suite. Probably never will be in a suite.

 

But I firmly believe the only people who are entitled to suite benefits are the people that paid the suite price (or those extended the benefits as a courtesy.)

[DMH15]

Never say never...who knows???

 

Never been in a suite. Probably never will be in a suite.

 

But I firmly believe the only people who are entitled to suite benefits are the people that paid the suite price. No exceptions.

[bean24]

I have a unique perspective. In 2 hours I am leaving for the Dawn, and I am glad it is not one of the Jewel ships because my one brother and I and our families are booked in the Garden Villa, my parents and other brother's family are in regular rooms so I don't have to worry about sharing the courtyard. Since our room comes with the private area we can have who we want.

[Sauer-kraut]

If, say, a group is going on a cruise together and everyone books different levels of cabin/suite and they would like to eat together, get the suite guests out of their enclave and join the group in the buffet!

[Bobbye]

I have a unique perspective. In 2 hours I am leaving for the Dawn, and I am glad it is not one of the Jewel ships because my one brother and I and our families are booked in the Garden Villa, my parents and other brother's family are in regular rooms so I don't have to worry about sharing the courtyard. Since our room comes with the private area we can have who we want.

 

You can do the same thing with the Jewel class ships. You can invite anyone to visit with you in the Garden Villa. For both class ships you will have to escort them to the Garden Villa since the elevator and stairway doors are accessed by the key card. It's Cagney's that they wouldn't be entitled to on the Dawn and on the Jewel class ships it is Cagney's and the courtyard area. Your GV is like your home, you can invite others to spend time with you in there.

[jjw5nh]

I booked a GV on the Dawn for June 2011. It will be my immediate family, spouse, son (15), and daughter (10). I invited by brother, his wife, and one year old daughter for the third bedroom. Therefore, the villa is full.

 

My brother asks if I would mind if he paid for his mother in law to also go so she could babysit. He was not asking for suite amenities and he would be paying for her in a smaller, possibly inside cabin. He just wanted to make sure I would not mind that he was inviting and paying for a family member of his when I was paying for his immediate family to stay in the GV. I said no problem.

 

I would like the MIL to have breakfast and lunch with us at Cagney's. Is that so wrong?. I am not talking about inviting my 50 closest friends. There is no courtyard on the dawn but if I was on another ship, I would welcome opinions of whether the MIL should be allowed in the courtyard to babysit.

 

If I take it to a logical extreme, my one year old niece could have Cagney's delivered to the GV for two (MIL and niece) while we eat 1 deck below.

 

BTW, I did not even know about the perks when I booked. I wanted to spend time with my brother and my wife likes the sun. With deck chair hogging, I thought the 15th deck would be great.

 

The way I look at it, suites don't mean you own the ship and can make your own rules. It means you are lucky enough to have the means to pay for a trip of a lifetime. Use it, don't abuse.

 

The trip is 6/3 on the Dawn out of Boston. I miss Boston. Been 21 years since I left.

[NEcruisers????]

I booked a GV on the Dawn for June 2011. It will be my immediate family, spouse, son (15), and daughter (10). I invited by brother, his wife, and one year old daughter for the third bedroom. Therefore, the villa is full.

 

My brother asks if I would mind if he paid for his mother in law to also go so she could babysit. He was not asking for suite amenities and he would be paying for her in a smaller, possibly inside cabin. He just wanted to make sure I would not mind that he was inviting and paying for a family member of his when I was paying for his immediate family to stay in the GV. I said no problem.

 

I would like the MIL to have breakfast and lunch with us at Cagney's. Is that so wrong?. I am not talking about inviting my 50 closest friends. There is no courtyard on the dawn but if I was on another ship, I would welcome opinions of whether the MIL should be allowed in the courtyard to babysit.

 

If I take it to a logical extreme, my one year old niece could have Cagney's delivered to the GV for two (MIL and niece) while we eat 1 deck below.

 

BTW, I did not even know about the perks when I booked. I wanted to spend time with my brother and my wife likes the sun. With deck chair hogging, I thought the 15th deck would be great.

 

The way I look at it, suites don't mean you own the ship and can make your own rules. It means you are lucky enough to have the means to pay for a trip of a lifetime. Use it, don't abuse.

 

The trip is 6/3 on the Dawn out of Boston. I miss Boston. Been 21 years since I left.

 

I believe that if you read any of the 40+ comments above your post, you will find the answer to your question. Sorry if its not what you are looking for...

[halos]

I would like the MIL to have breakfast and lunch with us at Cagney's. Is that so wrong?. .

 

This is the thing...and why I am not sure about SOP.

 

When we were on the Dawn, one of our CC group members had a suite. Part of her privelege to the suite was to invite one guest each (her and her DH) to breakfast or lunch @ Cagney's every day.

 

When entering Cagney's her name was checked off a list and her guest was permitted to go in with her.

I thought (because like I said, I have never had a suite and like JD, probably never will barring some miracle LOL!) that people in suites all had this privelege...to invite a guest (one, not a dozen)

 

So, I don't understand all the fuss.

 

Was this just something that only occurs on The Dawn??? :confused:

Was this something that only occurred on that Dawn during THAT sailing???:confused:

 

Does anyone even know? :confused:

[SeaShark]

I booked a GV on the Dawn for June 2011. It will be my immediate family, spouse, son (15), and daughter (10). I invited by brother, his wife, and one year old daughter for the third bedroom. Therefore, the villa is full.

 

My brother asks if I would mind if he paid for his mother in law to also go so she could babysit. He was not asking for suite amenities and he would be paying for her in a smaller, possibly inside cabin. He just wanted to make sure I would not mind that he was inviting and paying for a family member of his when I was paying for his immediate family to stay in the GV. I said no problem.

 

I would like the MIL to have breakfast and lunch with us at Cagney's. Is that so wrong?. I am not talking about inviting my 50 closest friends. There is no courtyard on the dawn but if I was on another ship, I would welcome opinions of whether the MIL should be allowed in the courtyard to babysit.

 

If I take it to a logical extreme, my one year old niece could have Cagney's delivered to the GV for two (MIL and niece) while we eat 1 deck below.

 

BTW, I did not even know about the perks when I booked. I wanted to spend time with my brother and my wife likes the sun. With deck chair hogging, I thought the 15th deck would be great.

 

The way I look at it, suites don't mean you own the ship and can make your own rules. It means you are lucky enough to have the means to pay for a trip of a lifetime. Use it, don't abuse.

 

The trip is 6/3 on the Dawn out of Boston. I miss Boston. Been 21 years since I left.

 

While that seems to make sense, in the 'real world' it does not.

 

Amenities are for those who paid for them...not for others. Even if its "just one person"...I mean, if every suite guest gave away amenities to "just one person"...

 

 

Go back to the airplane example...

 

Lets asy you paid for first class tickets for your family and your brother's family to go on a flight, and then your brother (on his own) paid for a coach ticket for his MIL. For being first class passengers, the airline gives you free drinks and a free meal during the flight. Coach passengers must pay for drinks and they only get a free snack.

 

What you are proposing is no different than trying to give the MIL free drinks and the free meal just because she knows people in first class. If you'll pardon the pun, it just wouldn't fly.

 

As for the food delivery...the butler would be the one serving the meal. He/She would not serve the MIL since she isn't qualified for the amenity. Now...if it was dinnertime, he would serve her dinner from Cagney's, but it would come with the standard speciality restaurant charge.

 

 

 

What this really comes down to is a choice.

 

The suite guest can have lunch in the MDR, Buffet, or Cagneys.

 

The non-suite guest can have lunch in the MDR or the Buffet.

 

The commonality is the ability to eat in either the MDR or the Buffet...so the choice is this:

 

If the amenity is more important, the suite guests eat in Cagneys and the non-suite guests eat where they choose.

 

If having everyone together is more important, everyone should decide to meet in the MDR or the Buffet where they can all have lunch together.

[time2cruise1]

I booked a GV on the Dawn for June 2011. It will be my immediate family, spouse, son (15), and daughter (10). I invited by brother, his wife, and one year old daughter for the third bedroom. Therefore, the villa is full.

 

My brother asks if I would mind if he paid for his mother in law to also go so she could babysit. He was not asking for suite amenities and he would be paying for her in a smaller, possibly inside cabin. He just wanted to make sure I would not mind that he was inviting and paying for a family member of his when I was paying for his immediate family to stay in the GV. I said no problem.

 

I would like the MIL to have breakfast and lunch with us at Cagney's. Is that so wrong?. I am not talking about inviting my 50 closest friends. There is no courtyard on the dawn but if I was on another ship, I would welcome opinions of whether the MIL should be allowed in the courtyard to babysit.

 

If I take it to a logical extreme, my one year old niece could have Cagney's delivered to the GV for two (MIL and niece) while we eat 1 deck below.

 

BTW, I did not even know about the perks when I booked. I wanted to spend time with my brother and my wife likes the sun. With deck chair hogging, I thought the 15th deck would be great.

 

The way I look at it, suites don't mean you own the ship and can make your own rules. It means you are lucky enough to have the means to pay for a trip of a lifetime. Use it, don't abuse.

 

The trip is 6/3 on the Dawn out of Boston. I miss Boston. Been 21 years since I left.

 

Despite what is posted above I don't think you will have problem as guests of the GV. That said why would you even go to Cagney's? You have a full sized dining area in the living room and one in the private courtyard. Cagney's is steps away and your butler can serve anyone you want, any meal you want, anytime you want.

 

I would much rather eat here then Cagney's. ;)

 

[halos]

 

I would much rather eat here then Cagney's. ;)

 

 

 

:D

Yeah...I'll say.

[SeaBorne]

I read all the comments so far but could not find an answer to the following: Are guests booked in a mini-suite (AF) which adjoins a penthouse (AB, I think) permitted to join the AB guests at Cagney's for breakfast and/or lunch? In this situation, ALL guests are booked at the same time, intentionally in adjoining cabins because they are family -- parents, grandparents and kids. Is the "letter of the law" no, or is there probably flexibility on behalf of the NCL staff...

[Sauer-kraut]

I thought the mini-suites didn't get any of the perks at all.

[SeaShark]

I read all the comments so far but could not find an answer to the following: Are guests booked in a mini-suite (AF) which adjoins a penthouse (AB, I think) permitted to join the AB guests at Cagney's for breakfast and/or lunch? In this situation, ALL guests are booked at the same time, intentionally in adjoining cabins because they are family -- parents, grandparents and kids. Is the "letter of the law" no, or is there probably flexibility on behalf of the NCL staff...

 

I really don't think that the location of the non-suite cabin or whether or not they book at the same time makes any difference.

 

The people who pay for the benefits should receive them. Those who choose not to pay for the benefits should not. If NCL (not the guest) decides to give benefits to someone who did not pay for them, then that is their choice.

 

However, the extension or gifting of unpaid for benefits should never be presumed or expected.

 

Perhaps in the case above it would be easier to remove the benefits from the suite guests....then everyone would be "even" ;)

 

 

 

Anytime that you draw a line (as in suite guests get amenities, non-suite guests do not) there will be people standing there coming up with all sort of logic and examples to get that line moved so they can be a "have" instead of a "have-not". The problem is: Where would it end?

 

If I pay for an excursion, do my family members or friends who did not pay for the excursion get to go along for free as my "guest"?

 

If I pay for a meal at Le Bistro, do my family members or friends who did not pay for a Le Bistro meal get to eat there for free as my "guest"?