neu be at craps

[sanjim]

Need some help never played for real only online for fun, If I put 5.00 on the pass line, point is 4 or 10 what should I put on odds , what if the point is 6 8 or nine. after that I think I would put 5,00 on a come bit, then again 5.00 on a come bet. anything wrong with this type of play

[Dicenator]

neu be,

 

I assume that you are talking about playing craps on a cruise ship. On a ship you can only bet 2X odds. The house has no advantage over you on the odds bet.

 

Concerning come bets, I personally don't like them. The average shooter will make about 8.3 throws before he sevens out. With a come bet the number has to be thrown twice to collect. The odds of someone making a repeat number in 8.3 throws isn't that good. I would suggest that you make place bets. You should win more often.

 

Dicenator

[cb at sea]

Most ships will hold "lessons" for the table games...I suggest you take that, if offered! There's nothing like doing it, for learning! You'll learn about the different bets, when to do them, HOW to do them, etc....by playing with "fake" money. It will make you MUCH more comfortable when you start playing for real!

[Casino Player]

Need some help never played for real only online for fun, If I put 5.00 on the pass line, point is 4 or 10 what should I put on odds , what if the point is 6 8 or nine. after that I think I would put 5,00 on a come bit, then again 5.00 on a come bet. anything wrong with this type of play

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO sanjim: Welcome to the world of craps. First, the odds you put out depends on the casino you are playing in. Carnival lines offer double odds. Royal Carribbean offers single odds. Celebrity offers 3x,4x,5x odds, and NCL I understand offers the same although when I was on it they offered only double odds.

A Pass Line bet is a good bet that offers only a slight House edge. Same with a Come bet. On Place bets, you should only Place the 6 and 8. They have the most combinations to come out other than the 7. The House edge is too high on other numbers.

Good luck when you play on your cruise. I agree with another poster who suggests you take a craps lesson when offered. It can't hurt.

[sailor_jimc]

I think I read nue be's post as "what do I put for the odds bet for the different numbers (points)". The answer is that you always just put increments of $5 on the odds. (As Casino Player pointed out... different cruise lines allow different multiples of your bet... CCL is 2x (meaning if your pass line bet is $5 you can put up to $10 in odds behind it))

 

The only time you wouldn't put a multiple of 5 is if you are playing only 1X odds. Then you should put $6 in odds when the point is a 5 or a 9. Reason being 5&9 pay 3 for 2 on the odds bet. So your bet needs to be an even amount otherwise you will not get paid fully. 3x 4x 5x odds are just that- 3x your bet on 4 & 10, 4x on 5 & 9 and 5x on 6&8

 

As far as staying away from the come bets, I am not sure I fully agree with the advise given about only placing bets. True that unless some one has a good roll you may not see a repeat number, but you can also have a person rolling 7's right away or before any of the place bets hit. With come bets you at least get paid for the 7. If you put down $17 in place bets only to get them taken down right away you lose even faster playing that way. Since a pass/come bet with full odds is to your best advantage (well actually playing the don'ts is a slight bit better) you are probably best off playing 1 or 2 come bets with your pass line bet. IF you get lucky and you catch a shooter that throws 3 or 4 paying numbers in a row, you are just pulling money in on your come bets.

 

But even after giving that advice I still will play both ways depending on how the shooting seems to go. If there are a bunch of points thrown but no repeaters... placing bets is best. If there are many immediate 7 outs... then pass/come betting is better... IF you want, make place bets on the 6 and 8 and a come bet. If a 6 or 8 rolls, the payoff on the place bet will pay for the odds on your come bet. That is the fun in playing craps... there are so many ways you can approach playing.

[AndyTheK]

Reading sailor_jim's posting I am reminded that there are some who "pooh-pooh" the winning 7 on the come bet. IMHO this is misguided. Probability says that out of 1980 comeouts (36x55) there will be 440 (8x55) 7/11 winners. The total number of winners - natural plus points made - is 976 (244x 1980/495). So the ratio of naturals to all winners is 440/976 = 0.45 - in other words, 45% of winners are naturals!

 

I admit that there are other considerations, main ones being how much to put into action on the various methods, as well as the payoff differences. A $10 come on point 6/8 with 2x odds pays $34 vs. $35 for the same $30 placed. At 5x odds, it's a wash - both ways $60 pays $70. If you're playing for comps (which I don't) that come bet is valued at $10 but the place is valued at the full $30.

 

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

 

Shalom, Andy.

[sanjim]

I appreciate you gentlemen, and all the answers, you have answered many questions. Now I would like to know what you think of the 5 count system. Seems like a good system especially for some one that is not experienced in playing craps. By the way I have taken a craps lesson , once in Vegas and once on a cruise ship, really did not get that much help.

 

After loosing 20 here and 20 there in casinos, playing the slots, I decided that I was going to learn how to gamble, Black Jack is my game, and I am a decent player. I learned the game by reading just about every book at borders and wizard of odds etc. However when it comes to craps it just doesn't sink in . I do know enough about gambling that if I don't understand the game I don't gamble. I am finally getting around craps to understand somewhat as to what I am doing, I will be on a Celebrity ship ship Oct, and I do plan to hit the craps table. am glad to hear they have good odds I do appreciate any advice you people can give Thanks again

[MrCo9]

There are two ways to look at the 5 count system:

 

#1, there went 3 or 4 rolls where I could have gotten paid on my bets.

 

#2, O good, there goes the 5th roll, now I can make my place bets. Next roll is the 7.

 

The 7 can come at anytime, and as they are your bets, you can always call off your place bets at anytime. All you have to do is tell the dealer that your bets are off and s/he will put a chip on your bets signifying that you're bets are "On vacation". When you want them to work again, just let the dealer know that your bets are "Working again".

[Casino Player]

I appreciate you gentlemen, and all the answers, you have answered many questions. Now I would like to know what you think of the 5 count system. Seems like a good system especially for some one that is not experienced in playing craps. By the way I have taken a craps lesson , once in Vegas and once on a cruise ship, really did not get that much help.

 

After loosing 20 here and 20 there in casinos, playing the slots, I decided that I was going to learn how to gamble, Black Jack is my game, and I am a decent player. I learned the game by reading just about every book at borders and wizard of odds etc. However when it comes to craps it just doesn't sink in . I do know enough about gambling that if I don't understand the game I don't gamble. I am finally getting around craps to understand somewhat as to what I am doing, I will be on a Celebrity ship ship Oct, and I do plan to hit the craps table. am glad to hear they have good odds I do appreciate any advice you people can give Thanks again

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO sanjim: The five count. I use it. Why? It has saved me from being in on bad rolls. Many shooters establish a point and seven out right away. With the five count you will be betting on shooters that have a chance for a good roll. Does it make you a winner? No, of course not. It is like anything else in gambling and in life.

[matt0148]

Now I would like to know what you think of the 5 count system. Seems like a good system especially for some one that is not experienced in playing craps.

 

There is no "betting system" that will help you win in craps. Just play within your limits and have fun!

[Calico Jack Sparrow]

I disagree. ALL of the systems work. The problem comes when your system meets variance.

IMHO, anything written by Frank Scoblete is questionable. I have experimented with the five count and my results were not even worthy of further consideration. Scoblete claims that his mentor the Captain came up with 5 count. He also claims that the Captain was the father of modern dice control. I highly doubt both of these.

 

I learned to play craps by reading John Patrick. I really like his money management theories. That is the secret to winning in the casino. I have won a lot more times then lost, and I learned to minimize those losses.

 

Good luck, and good rolling.

[AndyTheK]

Actually, the 5 count does have a purpose. It can not. and DOES NOT, as MrCo points out, tell you anything at all about good rolls vs. bad rolls. Play it enough and you'll see some instances where it helped you, and other instances where it hurt. Those dice have no memory!

 

What it does, is to keep you from jumping in immediately with every new shooter. Look at it as a limiter on the number of bets you make, or as a reduction in your average bet size. In reality, it's a money management technique.

 

I won't comment on any skewing due to Dice Influencing. I'm not a DI, nor do I have a chance to become one, lacking any possibility of facilities for practice. Virtually all my casino time is aboard cruise ships, being that there are none in my country or neighboring countries since Turkey closed down casinos a couple of years ago. The closest land-based casino is in Budapest (forget Egypt... some day I'll discuss the one experience I had in the casino at Taba). So it's unlikely I'll ever get to play at a table with a DI.

[Dicenator]

I don't use the 5 count and most of the time I don't bet on random rollers. I never bet on somebody who I haven't seen shoot the dice before. If they seem like they know how to throw the dice with some sense of consistency then the next time they get the dice I may make a few place bets. Yes, I have missed out on some great hands by random throwers but how many times have I missed out on Point Seven outs also.

 

Dicenator

[MrCo9]

Actually, the 5 count does have a purpose. It can not. and DOES NOT, as MrCo points out, .

Yo Andy, it's MrCo9, not MrCo. That is how my last name is pronounced Co9. Co as in a Co-captain or Co-ed. 9 as the number 9. Co9.

[grod19]

all the 5 count system does is decrease your hands (rolls) played per hour. The casino wants to get as many rolls per hour as possible because it works in their favor, eventually the law of big numbers takes over.

[sanjim]

O boy::::::::::: looks like we have split nombers on that one, I have another question.

 

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If you place 5 dollars on "come" and a 4 turns up. the come bet goes on the no 4, I dont undersand the difference in buying a 4. Also I understand taking odds on the pass line, but I dont undersand taking odds on a lets say the same no 4. Where do you place the chip

boy you guys are great, I really apprecialte all the answers

[Casino Player]

O boy::::::::::: looks like we have split nombers on that one, I have another question.

 

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If you place 5 dollars on "come" and a 4 turns up. the come bet goes on the no 4, I dont undersand the difference in buying a 4. Also I understand taking odds on the pass line, but I dont undersand taking odds on a lets say the same no 4. Where do you place the chip

boy you guys are great, I really apprecialte all the answers

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO sanjim: If you make a $5 come bet it goes to the next number rolled that is a point number. You lose if craps is rolled and win on a natural. A Place bet is something different.

On a Buy bet, you pay a commission $1 for a $25 bet. It normally is $20, but, now they charge $1 on a $25 bet.

Taking odds on a Come bet, you drop your odds on the table and in an audible mumble tell the dealer you want odds. The dealer puts it on your Come bet.

[sailor_jimc]

As Casino Player points out, the odds bet for your come bet just gets placed in the come field. I normally will drop it there and then my next come bet next to it (if I am making another) A good dealer will assume they extra is your odds for your previous come bet. If unsure, the dealer will ask if they are the odds.

 

Buying the 4 or 10 is like making just the odds portion of the bet. It pays the same BUT you have paid for better pay off with your $1 commission. It arguable if its better than placing or using a come bet to get the bet out there. I would have to go consult the wizard to come up with the true house advantage on each bet.