Crows Nest Smoking

[TracieABD]

I saw something on the news about electronic cigarettes. (NO, I am not making this up!) Are they satisfying enough to replace real cigarettes? I gather they don't produce smoke.

My neighbor has one and says that it is OK. It produces a wisp of "smokish" vapor. There is no smell what-so-ever.

[Vic The Parrot]

My neighbor has one and says that it is OK. It produces a wisp of "smokish" vapor. There is no smell what-so-ever.

 

 

 

What good is it, then ? :D

 

 

 

(You know little ol facetious me HAD to say it! LOL)

[dockrocker]

That wasn't the case in the Crows Nest on Veendam.

 

I sat on the other side of that room at times (non-smoking area) and never got a whiff of anything.

 

But since you're a smoker, your sense of smell has been impaired.

[mudscraper]

Being tobacco chewers, we`re hoping for spitoons to be placed in the casino.

[fridayeyes]

Being tobacco chewers, we`re hoping for spitoons to be placed in the casino.

 

They're already there. On the right-hand side of every sit down machine, or along the bottom of the stand up ones is a nicely polished silver bin!

 

(/facetious)

[DizzyDallasDi]

Being tobacco chewers, we`re hoping for spitoons to be placed in the casino.

 

My ex BIL was a chewer and he always had a styrofoam cup handy. Don't expect HAL to cater to your every whim....be self-sufficient and haul your own spittoon. Of course, styrofoam would be tabboo on formal nights, so you'd need to be sure to pack your brass one for those special occasions. :D

[mudscraper]

My ex BIL was a chewer and he always had a styrofoam cup handy. Don't expect HAL to cater to your every whim....be self-sufficient and haul your own spittoon. Of course, styrofoam would be tabboo on formal nights, so you'd need to be sure to pack your brass one for those special occasions. :D

grandmas spittin` jar when she passed. Just an old mason jar but it`s the memories that count.

[DizzyDallasDi]

grandmas spittin` jar when she passed. Just an old mason jar but it`s the memories that count.

 

By all means, a treasured family heirloom goes with any style of dress. The only downside is the mason jar won't be allowed in the pool areas. Perhaps you have a suitable koozie to protect it while lounging and spittin' around the pool? I'm thinking something depicting the Blue Collar Tour might be appropriate. :cool:

[ariawoman]

I saw something on the news about electronic cigarettes. (NO, I am not making this up!) Are they satisfying enough to replace real cigarettes? I gather they don't produce smoke.

 

My bf smoked for many many years (before dating me and 1 year during our initial dating) and had slowed down when he met me to a few cigs a day and now has stopped. Towards the end of his trying to quit, he tried one of these electronic cigarettes in the mall. It was very weird. There is indeed no smell, i can attest to that, but it makes a smoke looking substance. He said it was harder to drag on than a real cigarette, so I presume there are some differences, but it's probably good for the people that smoke primary for oral fixation, which was the case for him.

 

Thankfully he quit as of his birthday 1 year ago, as I am very allergic. Couldn't even visit his house for a long time due to the smell of it (still have issues to this day) and I'm also pretty bad around perfumes and whatnot. I'm allergic to everything airborne, unfortunately. So, windows have to stay closed in all seasons here (sucks cuz some nights I dont want to pay for cooling!) but it's my reality.

 

It's hard to "peacefully coexist" in this type of discussion. Non-smokers understand that each side has rights, but we also know that it hurts our health and whatnot. I'm not looking to remove any rights, but at the same time, how can they satisfy both sides at once? They basically can't. One side will always feel slighted (and obviously by this thread, BOTH sides can feel slighted simultaneously).

 

I pray that I can use my verandah that i've elected to pay extra for, as I'll be really sad if i lose out due to a smoker making me ill while trying to use it. I'm hoping that while moving, since i'm not far back, i'll have fewer opportunities for smoke to waft towards my verandah. Time will tell.

 

In my opinion, it would be NICE if cruise lines would designate verandahs on one side or the other as smoking/non so that non smokers had the option of staying away. I know some do, but HAL doesn't, and yes I knew that when I booked and know that if it occurs, i've got 0 recourse, but i really really hope that if i do have a smoker around, we aren't on the same schedules :-)

 

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.

[new kiwi girl]

I'm going to sail with HAL for the first time this Sept, and glad I did some checking on these boards and read with interest the problems with smoking on the cabin decks.

 

That research has saved me many dollars, as I booked an inside vs a balcony, as I suffer from Sarcoidosis, and can't afford to have smoke come into my room. It was never a problem on my cruises with other lines, but didn't want it to become one on this cruise, as it's for 24 days, and just couldn't risk missing some of those wonderful Med ports because my lungs were affected.

 

Like another posted wrote, would be nice if one line would become completely non smoking, and make it easier on all of us.

 

:(

[navybankerteacher]

I'm going to sail with HAL for the first time this Sept, and glad I did some checking on these boards and read with interest the problems with smoking on the cabin decks.

 

That research has saved me many dollars, as I booked an inside vs a balcony, as I suffer from Sarcoidosis, and can't afford to have smoke come into my room. It was never a problem on my cruises with other lines, but didn't want it to become one on this cruise, as it's for 24 days, and just couldn't risk missing some of those wonderful Med ports because my lungs were affected.

 

Like another posted wrote, would be nice if one line would become completely non smoking, and make it easier on all of us.

 

:(

 

I'm sure they ultimately will, but it might take many years before enough of their smoking public finally wise up or die off.

[callmedeb]

Eventually the smokers will die off and we won't have any more disagreements ;-)

 

Deb

[solocanadian]

Louis & Lisa, I'm sure that you are NOT the people who do this, but for instance, some people walk through the smoking side of the Crows Nest (even though there are doors on both sides), GLARE at the smokers and do their little 'Cah Cah' fake coughs. Why not just use the other door and bypass the smokers entirely? Very rude.

HALFans: Great comment. I have witnessed this more times than I care to count!

[NHRedSoxFan]

I'm not a smoker. I hate being around smokers or smelling fabric that smells from smoke. I'm very anti-smoking but in spite of this I have to side with the smokers on this.

 

I must say that if a smoker chooses a ship they are aware of the policies and know ahead of time where they can or can't smoke. Like non-smokers, they plan ahead for their trip and when they get on the ship they go by the rules and are trying to enjoy their vacation, which includes being able to smoke. Non-smokers have to know the rules, too and avoid those areas if it bothers them. I really like HAL, but not their smoking policy, but I would still choose a HAL cruise but keeping in mind that there are areas on the ship that it's better for me to avoid.

 

I think the smoker's are more aware of where the smoking areas are because they have to be. Non-smokers who are rarely exposed to cigarette smoke and odor (& therefore more sensitive to it), sort of forget until they walk into the wrong area of a cruise ship and have the reaction "hey, what the heck"... "I don't like this"... etc.

 

You can't blame the smokers who are smoking where it's allowed. You can complain to the cruise line about policies or pick a different ship the next time.

[navybankerteacher]

Louis & Lisa, I'm sure that you are NOT the people who do this, but for instance, some people walk through the smoking side of the Crows Nest (even though there are doors on both sides), GLARE at the smokers and do their little 'Cah Cah' fake coughs. Why not just use the other door and bypass the smokers entirely? Very rude.

 

Two questions:

 

I: Are the doors marked to warn non-smokers that they might be trespassing on a smking area?

 

II: And just how do you know that the cough is fake?

 

But, in any case, shame on people who are bothered by other people's

pollution of the atmosphere; how dare they claim the right to fresh air if that claim embarrasses hypersensative smokers.

[taxmantoo]

Louis & Lisa, I'm sure that you are NOT the people who do this, but for instance, some people walk through the smoking side of the Crows Nest (even though there are doors on both sides), GLARE at the smokers and do their little 'Cah Cah' fake coughs. Why not just use the other door and bypass the smokers entirely? Very rude.

 

HALFans: Great comment. I have witnessed this more times than I care to count!

 

We are definitely NOT people who do this but as solocanadian says, we too have seen it many times. As much as we try to avoid "smoking" type situations whether on the balcony, in a lounge or on deck, I think we try to avoid the "Cah Cah" fake coughers more. ;) They are not very hard to spot and usually let people know they are there if you know what I mean.

[Sir PMP]

I just got back from the Maasdam 35 day Voyage of the Vikings. This was my first HAL cruise. I loved the cruise itinerary and the ship was pretty good.

 

My major complaint is that smokers in the Crows Nest made the place reek like a cheap bar and made the air totally unbreathable. When we did sail away, it was sort of cold on deck in the areas we cruised. The bar-like atmosphere in the Crows Nest meant that I had a choice of staying warm in the Crows Nest and breathing the tobacco smoke or being cold and breathing good air.

 

Smokers should not be allowed to make the best place to watch sail away uninhabitable.

 

I have done 5 cruises on Princess ships did not have this problem on any of my Princess cruises.

 

Is this a problem with other HAL ships or just with the Maasdam? If it is a generic HAL problem, this may have been my last HAL cruise.

 

DON

 

Most crowst nests smell like a cesspool!!!

[RevNeal]

I am a non-smoker. However, I have severe problems with anybody looking forward to the death of another person. I believe certain individuals may want to revise and/or extend their remarks so-as to make it clear that this is NOT what they're wishing for / looking forward to.

[Nanaimo Gal]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanaimo Gal

Yes......a small portion of the Crows Nest is there for us terrible sinners :) I'm not a person who would make anybody uncomfortable with my smoke, for instance around non-smokers I take care to obey the rules, whatever they may be. I notice though that some non-smokers do not extend that courtesy to me :(

 

Remind me again please, which rules are us non-smokers not following? What courtesies do you wish we would extend? I have never, ever, broken the rules by going into your smoking area and NOT smoke. Please tell us how we are uncourteous to smokers.

 

 

I have been sitting here for the last five minutes trying to decide how to respond to Nanaimo Gal's post. No need now as you came up with the perfect reply. She obviously is on the defensive with her post as shown by referring to herself as one of the "sinners" as I saw no reference to smokers as sinners. I too wondered how I have been non-courteous to smokers on my previous cruises. I would have loved to have been anything but courteous on our recent sail on the Noordam to the person who used the balcony for cigar smoking. It made the balcony unusable for the entire ten days. Those in the cabins on either side of us complained constantly about it but we all realized that we had just thrown away a lot of extra bucks for a perk that we never got to enjoy.

 

I have a twisted sense of humour so refer to "sinners" as the glares, nasty remarks etc. directed toward smokers gets a little hard to bear at times. In Vancouver if you are a drug addict you have a clean, safe place provided to feed your addiction. if you smoke you stand outside in the cold......seems a bit off to me. My addiction is a legal substance for which I pay taxes etc.

However as I say I obey the rules, try7 to avoid bothering people and that's my last word on this subject.

[Copper10-8]

Can you hear that train coming?;)

[navybankerteacher]

I am a non-smoker. However, I have severe problems with anybody looking forward to the death of another person. I believe certain individuals may want to revise and/or extend their remarks so-as to make it clear that this is NOT what they're wishing for / looking forward to.

 

I do not believe that anyone on this board is looking forward to the death of another; however, since there is a steady decrease in the numbers of smokers overall, as the general public becomes more aware of the harmful effects (on themselves and, incidently, upon others) of smoking, there will ultimately (perhaps only in generations) be sufficient decrease in the number or smokers to permit businesses to cater to the preferences of the ultimate overwhelming majority of non-smokers. It is a simple, gradual evolution of the population: in 100 years, all of today's smokers will be gone - even if they all live long, happy lives. An increasing percentage of determined smokers will be replaced by non-smokers.

 

The simple awareness of such demographics hardly represents a wish for anyone to die. Recognition of such demographics is grounds for predicting that cruise lines will ultimately ban smoking.

[maxout]

<snip>The simple awareness of such demographics hardly represents a wish for anyone to die. Recognition of such demographics is grounds for predicting that cruise lines will ultimately ban smoking.

 

So if it is inevitable why waste the time complaining and/or supporting it with these endless, pointless threads? :confused:

[Assateague Island Princes]

Thanx to RedSoxFan for your very eloquent remarks that truly explains the frustration felt by smokers when this particular topic somehow descends into headbutting, name calling or worse, here on these boards. And spoken as a non-smoker, no less! Your grasp and understanding of this issue is much appreciated - even tho you don't have a dog in this fight.

 

Kudos also to Rev. Neal, who by the way was referencing a comment made by another poster earlier in the thread. I must admit that I too was struck by that very obvious nasty remark by callmedeb. Mom always told me that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. Obviously Rev. Neal's Mom didn't raise no fool either!;)

[navybankerteacher]

So if it is inevitable why waste the time complaining and/or supporting it with these endless, pointless threads? :confused:

 

Just hoping that the cruise lines make their ultimate marketing choice sooner rather than later: perhaps when smokers amount to less than 40% of the population, instead of waiting until it drops to less than 15% of the population. It will happen - I have great faith in the human race coming to its senses.

[donaldsc]

It will happen - I have great faith in the human race coming to its senses.

 

You have a lot more faith in the human race than I do. IMHO, the only race that we are likely to win is the race to the bottom.

 

DON