No lighters on planes beginning 4/16/05

[TedC]

If lighters are deemed a possible threat why don't they ban them immediately? Are they afraid it wouldn't be "fair" for the terrorists not to have time to adjust their plans?

 

Duh!

[cru1s1ng]

If lighters are deemed a possible threat why don't they ban them immediately? Are they afraid it wouldn't be "fair" for the terrorists not to have time to adjust their plans?

 

Duh!

 

Good point. That's our government in action. Or should I say inaction.

[zdude]

Hey man, the homeland security folks have to act like they are doing something since we are spending all that money on it eh? What a crock.

[jcrandle]

Don't tell anybody, but when I was in the Army I was showed how to kill with a car key. :eek:

Yeah, and I was shown how to use only one square of toilet paper, but you don't want to hear about that either!

[jhannah]

If lighters are deemed a possible threat why don't they ban them immediately?

You are right on! I would love for someone to answer this question. If they are truly that dangerous, the ban should be immediate. :rolleyes:

[zdude]

You are right on! I would love for someone to answer this question. If they are truly that dangerous, the ban should be immediate. :rolleyes:

 

Lighter and can of aerosol (sp?) hairspray could be a mini flame thrower... or just a tool to light a fuse.

[charliewesley]

What do they plan to do with all the confiscated Bic lighters? Our tax dollars at work paying to have (after confiscation of thousands of lighters):eek: a now concentrated mass of hazardous, flamable liquid Hauled away in a truck that would not be able to dispose of the cargo in a regular landfill. It would have to be sent to a hazardous waste disposal site.:confused: I for one will be buying stock in companies that sell disposable lighters.;)

 

How about a bucket just outside of the secure area where you can leave a lighter when checking in and pick up a lighter when you leave the secure area?

 

We need George Carlin to help us figure this one out.:D

[Himself]

My Symapthies to you smokers. I can sense some of your rage. Thirteen years ago I would have shared your rage. However, I quit at 9:50 AM Central Daylight time on June 8, 1992. So I don't feel anger. Some one said, next they will confescate our credit cards. That reminds me of a joke I best not tell here. If some of you e-mail me at jtmcgeean@sbcglobal.net I will tell you the story.

 

A long time George Owell wrote a book called "1984" and we all said it would never happened. Oh yes it did and so much more.

 

Himself

[macable]

Heck,it's not just the smokers that this affects,lighters can be bought just about anywhere it's a minor inconvenience. It's the principle of the rule & having to live without an explanation!

When we returned to our home airport I asked a TSA agent what happened to all of the confiscated property? He told me that until March 1st they were turning anything in to the traveller's airline. I Asked our Delta agent where our property would be & she told me they never received anything, it was probably tossed. Somehow I didn't believe either of them.

And BTW, we carried home 4 lighters in our carryons & my purse.

 

TedC is right on: Why don't they ban them immediately?

[Ziggy7]

We dont smoke either, we quit 5 years ago feb 3rd, 2000 :)

With that said I still carry a bic lighter in my purse to light my candles or campfire at girlscout camp. So it still upsets me that we can not put them in checked in luggage. We can take sissors, in checked luggage. :)

[zdude]

Go ahead and take them. You think they will actually catch you?

[MBeamTX]

Dave, the story I got was that it was the dress. They asked and that's what they were told; the explanation had to do with the dress could cover a bomb strapped to her under the dress. Slacks are more form-fitting and wouldn't be as likely to conceal a bomb.

The woman is able to walk a bit on land, and possibly could have walked through the screening gate. (Not positive on this part.) AFAIK it was not the wheelchair.

The woman had no trouble in her home airport heading down to Ft. Lauderdale---just coming home.

 

Ruth, I get the impression that FLL is notorious for this kind of thing. On the way back from a cruise, my dad got the full security screening there. He is in his 70s, has poor eyesight and walks with a cane (although we generally get a wheelchair for him in airports because he can't walk long distances). He wears special shoes that are somewhat difficult to get on and off. Naturally, the TSA required him to take his shoes off as they did the full wanding. What really infuriated my sister, who was traveling with my parents, is that after the screening was done, they would not let her help my dad put his shoes back on! She tried to and was told to get back. Does that make any sense? She had been through security. My dad had been fully screened. What possible risk could there be for her to help him with his shoes? Instead, my dad had to struggle to get them on himself. My sister was pretty angry and let the TSA agent know it. They don't care. But I'm sure America slept easier that night, knowing a 74-year-old man had been singled out and embarrassed.

 

Most people are willing to endure some inconvenience for the safety of all. I fly a LOT and I just put up with it. But it would be nice to have some rationality and some consistency, as you say.

 

Susan

[longtimecruiser]

It is the policy of the Ft. Lauderdale Airport to "strip search" ANY woman wearing a dress. It was NOT the wheelchair that was the problem at all.

[sail7seas]

It is the policy of the Ft. Lauderdale Airport to "strip search" ANY woman wearing a dress. It was NOT the wheelchair that was the problem at all.

 

 

I don't know any way to ask this question except to simply ask it? Iam sure you believe this to be true.

 

How do you know that any woman wearing a dress through FLL will be strip searched?

 

Such a blanket statement I am interested to know if that is really so. Is it only someone in a "float/extremely loose' style? Also a lady in a fitted silk wrap dress that is body forming? ANY Dress?

[dakrewser]

It is the policy of the Ft. Lauderdale Airport to "strip search" ANY woman wearing a dress. It was NOT the wheelchair that was the problem at all.

 

The TSA isn't governed by "airport policy", though. Still this is simply one more reason not to cruise in the Caribbean. Not that I needed another reason. :rolleyes:

[sail7seas]

We Love cruising in the Caribbean.....

 

and cruising many other regions as well. :)

 

We've vacationed in the Caribbean for years and never tire of it. For many years before we started cruising, we went to resort hotels all over the islands and loved them all. Now we love cruising there.

 

But....I'm still wondering about this dress business.

[longtimecruiser]

Sail, FYI it was my Mother who was being referred to by Ruth. It happened this January in the airport as we got off the Rotterdam. My Mother was actually traveling in a skirt, blouse and blazer. She was in a wheelchair and at 92, has difficultly walking. She was able to get out of the wheelchair and go through security. They told her/me that ANYONE wearing a dress or skirtwould be taken to a curtained room and strip searched by a female. They also said it was the policy of the Ft. Lauderdale airport to strip search any woman, wearing a skirt, dress, regardless of age, disability. Their explanation to me was that it would be easier to hide a weapon in a skirt or dress as they would be more loose fitting than slacks. They made her get totally undressed. This is not just a rumor but pure fact right from officals at the airport. It was only this airport as we flew out of BWI and nothing like this was done.

[Ziggy7]

The TSA isn't governed by "airport policy", though. Still this is simply one more reason not to cruise in the Caribbean. Not that I needed another reason. :rolleyes:

Awwwwwwww Dave, I love the Caribbean, of course I havent been to Hawaii yet :)

[cru1s1ng]

Are people in florida on crack?!? i know they elected bush, but stirp searching old ladies?

[newmexicoNita]

Stretch.....

 

HAL does not permit smoking at any interior eating area. There is a small section at Lido pool (outside Lido Restaurant) that has some tables where smoking is permitted. Smoking is not permitted in the showrooms but it is allowed in the Casino.

 

 

There is a smoking section the lounges/bars. You may smoke in your cabin and on your verandah (if you have one).

 

One side of the ship permits smoking on weather decks......It varies whether it is port or starboard, but you will easily determine where you can smoke. :) You'll see the ashtrays.

 

 

these are the same policies practiced by RCI. They do not sell lighters I don't think, You can not get matches from the bar or anyplace else, there are very few places to smoke, even the lounges have just a tiny smoking area and of course no smoking in the dining rooms or showrooms, just like all lines I guess. As for not bringing lighters on planes, maybe this is carrying things a little to far, but holly molly, have we all forgotten 9/11? Anything to help a little is worth the inconvenience. By the way I am a smoker. NMnita

[dakrewser]

Awwwwwwww Dave, I love the Caribbean, of course I havent been to Hawaii yet :)

 

You know how, on Grand Cayman, you can visit HELL? Well, Hawaii is heaven.....

 

:) -dave

[98Charlie]

Re: ``RCI does not sell lighters, I don't think" ...

 

I purchased a lighter with a pic of the ship on LOS in Sept, 04 - in the ship's shop. Still using that lighter, btw.

 

Dianne