Underage teen caught drinking thrown off Oasis 6/4

[bajathree]

We had a family on our Oasis 6/4 sailing with 2 teen boys....believe they were like 14 and 17. They were actually staying is a suite so I seen the family in the CL a few times....actually talked to them as they asked me a few questions the first day.....it was there first time ever cruising. In any case my DD's had told me that one of the kids in the teen club was reportedly caught walking around drunk by a security officer....the teen blamed it on a bad knee:rolleyes: A couple days later we heard about the teen and his dad being thrown off the ship in St Martin....from what I heard the teen was again caught drinking and was reported to security for giving one of the girls in the teen club a hard time...I believe she was the one that may have told on him drinking. Reportedly the father got in an outrage and started swearing at some of the staff.....both were then thrown off in St Martin. The mother and other son along with there adult daughter continued on. Then I find out that on the last evening that the other son had also been warned about drinking and was caught on the last night again....he was ordered under room arrest and told if he left his cabin he would be escorted off the ship in handcuffs in FLL.

the odd thing is that my DW and I ran into the wife a couple time....on a galley tour and again in Chops on the last night....this is after her husband and son were thrown off the ship.....they acted as if nothing ever happened......I am sure that will be there last cruise ever.

In any case it's good to see Royal acting upon things like this.

[Lynnees]

Kind of strange they didn't through the whole family off, which is what they normally do when they do enforce this kind of thing.

 

I would love to see them do it more often.

 

Carnival is really bad at not enforcing either. Completely spoiled a friend's cruise when a bunch of drunk, rude, obnoxious college students took over all the venues including the children's area. They did nothing.

 

As for this family, they have a lot more issues than a spoilt vacation.

[Scotsnomad]

Im glad that they too the appropriate action, as regards to the wife, daughter and other son remaining on board I can only imagine that they were given the option of going ashore or staying onboard. What would you do if you were in her predicament, I think I would stay onboard too and not let it spoil my holiday !! Hopefully she wont get any bother from her hubby on their return :)

[Mark_K]

Im glad that they too the appropriate action, as regards to the wife, daughter and other son remaining on board I can only imagine that they were given the option of going ashore or staying onboard. What would you do if you were in her predicament, I think I would stay onboard too and not let it spoil my holiday !! Hopefully she wont get any bother from her hubby on their return :)

Without any evidence the alcohol was provided by the parents, it makes sense to me that they didn't. The teen was kicked off for drinking and the father for abusive behavior.

[bigeagle12]

Without any evidence the alcohol was provided by the parents, it makes sense to me that they didn't. The teen was kicked off for drinking and the father for abusive behavior.

 

And you can not put an underage child off by themselves ;)

[Mark_K]

And you can not put an underage child off by themselves ;)

A parent may need to escort them off the ship, but a 17 year old can fly by themselves, even internationally, so there's no reason the adult couldn't rejoin the ship if they so chose and made appropriate arrangements for the child.

[Happy ks]

It would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. As this is anecdotal rumor, how is a person to know it really happened?

 

I personally don't know of this happening to anyone I know, my husband has a client whose son and friends were all escorted off in Mazatlan because of drunken rowdy behavior. They were all over 21 and had no idea they could be put off the ship...perhaps should have listened to the Captains announcement during muster drill :rolleyes:

 

I have seen persons escorted off cruise ships in handcuffs, but just at disembarkation. One would assume drugs, but other things can happen. It would not bother me in the least to see rowdy drunks thrown off mid cruise, if they were threatening or a danger to themselves or others.

[bajathree]

It would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. As this is anecdotal rumor, how is a person to know it really happened?

 

I personally don't know of this happening to anyone I know, my husband has a client whose son and friends were all escorted off in Mazatlan because of drunken rowdy behavior. They were all over 21 and had no idea they could be put off the ship...perhaps should have listened to the Captains announcement during muster drill :rolleyes:

 

I have seen persons escorted off cruise ships in handcuffs, but just at disembarkation. One would assume drugs, but other things can happen. It would not bother me in the least to see rowdy drunks thrown off mid cruise, if they were threatening or a danger to themselves or others.

 

This event was confirmed to me by staff and I was also told they went back and watched video....so there was obvious proof of the behavior. The story was first told to me by my DD's as it was obviously the hot topic in the teen club....but when I asked some staff that knew of the incident it was confirmed in quite detail.

 

Also on a different topic....one of the glass panels in Studio B got smashed by a guest skater...not sure of that story but my DD's said that during the teen skate they kept reminding kid's not to make whips and send kids flying across the rink....the staff said it was broken during one of the skate sessions.

[firefly333]

Oddly enough the only drunken behavior thats bothered me was on RCL and Iv done Carnival 17 times.

 

One time at the past guest party in the main theater, I was squashed in, and the elderly guy next to me was almost falling down drunk. He spilled a full glass of wine on my arm, and it was so crowded, and someone was talking on stage, that I couldnt get up and leave and it was too noisy to complain to the man.

 

the other time bridge was scheduled, in the game room. Darned if some large drinking group, with all their drinks didnt choose to sit right next to the two tables of bridge (there was a adjoining room .. but nooo, they had to sit in the card tables section). One lady .. again older than me, stood up yelling and screaming pretty constantly. They were playing some drinking card game. The bridge games broke up needless to say.

 

If you run into drunks, sometimes there isnt a thing you can do. They already ruined your fun at the time... why tell on them, too late to save the bridge games.

[rolloman]

I could not imagine a 14 year old drinking. Something has to be said for the parenting (or lack there of) with a situation like that.

[wcook]

If I'm reading the story correctly, people where thrown off the ship for abusing the staff. The penatly for underage drinking was being confined to room... in this case a suite.

[Happy ks]

This event was confirmed to me by staff and I was also told they went back and watched video....so there was obvious proof of the behavior. The story was first told to me by my DD's as it was obviously the hot topic in the teen club....but when I asked some staff that knew of the incident it was confirmed in quite detail.

 

Also on a different topic....one of the glass panels in Studio B got smashed by a guest skater...not sure of that story but my DD's said that during the teen skate they kept reminding kid's not to make whips and send kids flying across the rink....the staff said it was broken during one of the skate sessions.

 

 

I'm a bit surprised the staff was allowed to discuss confidential information. Never in your original post did you mention any of the incident was reported/confirmed to you by staff.

[crusinmama06]

Without any evidence the alcohol was provided by the parents, it makes sense to me that they didn't. The teen was kicked off for drinking and the father for abusive behavior.

 

The adult is responsible for the minor's behavior whether it is the parent's fault or not. ;) Look for the story about the CCer who had the suicidal friend of her son with her. The friend went off his anti-depression meds and hung off the back of the ship. The entire family was put off the cruise and she was placed on a "no cruise list" for a number of years. The friend's parents/gparents never remembursed her a dime for the expenses she incurred to fly her own family (and that friend) home from the disembarked port. She had a good attitude about it though and never blamed the cruiseline.

 

Another story, when we were on Enchantment a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to an 18 year old who told me that his dad bought him a beer at the pool bar. Then security noticed him drinking it. So they came over and asked for his sea pass (which of course, was hole-punched -- giving away his age). Security started grilling him and his parents about the beer -- his dad APOLOGIZED -- and BEGGED forgiveness -- saying it was his first cruise (it was) and that he didn't know that the alcohol rules onboard were 21. I told him he was lucky he wasn't disembarked in Bermuda. ;) He said that the security let him off with a warning but I believe it was because his dad was so apologetic. If the dad would have argued, they would have been booted.

[Scotsnomad]

I could not imagine a 14 year old drinking. Something has to be said for the parenting (or lack there of) with a situation like that.

Im sorry to say but this is a situation that is wide spread in the UK (Underaged drinking), whether blame is down to social barriers, economics or family discipline its a sorry reflection of todays modern society

 

rgds :)

[Single Cruiser]

Im sorry to say but this is a situation that is wide spread in the UK (Underaged drinking), whether blame is down to social barriers, economics or family discipline its a sorry reflection of todays modern society

 

rgds :)

 

But you have to remember over here (and other places in Europe) that it's legal to buy a person of 16 a drink when part of a meal in a restaurant or bar and as always it's the minority that play up get the attention!

[readytogo2]

I'm a bit surprised the staff was allowed to discuss confidential information. Never in your original post did you mention any of the incident was reported/confirmed to you by staff.

 

Why do you feel it was confidential? :confused:

[Mark_K]

The adult is responsible for the minor's behavior whether it is the parent's fault or not. ;) Look for the story about the CCer who had the suicidal friend of her son with her. The friend went off his anti-depression meds and hung off the back of the ship. The entire family was put off the cruise and she was placed on a "no cruise list" for a number of years. The friend's parents/gparents never remembursed her a dime for the expenses she incurred to fly her own family (and that friend) home from the disembarked port. She had a good attitude about it though and never blamed the cruiseline.

 

Another story, when we were on Enchantment a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to an 18 year old who told me that his dad bought him a beer at the pool bar. Then security noticed him drinking it. So they came over and asked for his sea pass (which of course, was hole-punched -- giving away his age). Security started grilling him and his parents about the beer -- his dad APOLOGIZED -- and BEGGED forgiveness -- saying it was his first cruise (it was) and that he didn't know that the alcohol rules onboard were 21. I told him he was lucky he wasn't disembarked in Bermuda. ;) He said that the security let him off with a warning but I believe it was because his dad was so apologetic. If the dad would have argued, they would have been booted.

They may have been within their rights to remove the whole family, but I'm still not surprised they didn't. I would also guess in most cases, the whole family decides to leave whether or not they were actually all kicked off.

[rolloman]

I'm a bit surprised the staff was allowed to discuss confidential information. Never in your original post did you mention any of the incident was reported/confirmed to you by staff.

Bajathree Cruises Oasis so much whomever he was talking to probably assumed he was a staff member :D

[crusinmama06]

Im sorry to say but this is a situation that is wide spread in the UK (Underaged drinking), whether blame is down to social barriers, economics or family discipline its a sorry reflection of todays modern society

 

rgds :)

 

Maybe the post below is why...you can buy a 16 year old alcohol in the UK?

 

But you have to remember over here (and other places in Europe) that it's legal to buy a person of 16 a drink when part of a meal in a restaurant or bar and as always it's the minority that play up get the attention!

 

Holy Moly! :eek: Yep, no doubt its different here.

[CruisinGerman]

a 14 year old girl was considered suitable for getting married and having children.

 

Wasn't Juliet all of about 13 or 14?

 

For 75% of the 20th century it was considered fine and legal in the United States for 18 year olds to drink.

 

During this time it was considered perfectly legal in Europe for 16 year olds to drink.

 

Then things started changing and you folks in the States started to feel that it was okay for an 18-year old to be killed while fighting a war, but had to wait now until age 21 to drink.

 

And at the same time in Europe, we unified our drinking laws at least in the EU and raised the bar to age 18 across Europe.

 

And you Americans are always shocked when you come here to Spain, go into McDonalds, and see beer being served as if it were Coca Cola. That's just the cultural difference, nothing more.

 

Unless the child was putting herself and others in danger, and unless the "abuse" by the parent vis-à-vis security was seriously threatening, and not just verbal, a serious reprimand also could have sufficed without the family (or part thereof) being thrown off the ship.

 

Also, as others have already hinted, there are always three sides to every story -- I would like to hear the other side, and also the middle ground.

 

Kind regards,

 

Gunther and Uta

[Single Cruiser]

Maybe the post below is why...you can buy a 16 year old alcohol in the UK?

 

 

 

Holy Moly! :eek: Yep, no doubt its different here.

 

Legal age at home with parental supervision is 5. http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/pubs.htm is what is taught in junior schools.

 

 

 

But seriously as Gunther has explained there are cultural differences. If a 17 year old is allowed to drive a 1 tonne lump of metal at 70mph...

[marci22]

It seemed like the kid was caught drinking once, was reprimanded, and was then caught again, at which time he and the father started something. Then they were thrown off.

[Puffinater]

It would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. As this is anecdotal rumor, how is a person to know it really happened?

 

You can trust the information provided by the OP. I was on this cruise and can confirm that more than those two were escorted off the ship.

 

How confidential can it be when you watch folks with their suitcases being escorted off the ship by security?

[antas901]

I don't know all of the particulars of this situation, but I can imagine a scenario where a drunk 17 year old gives my DD (13) a "hard time" to the point where she feels threatened or unsafe. In that scenario, the 17 year-old would much rather Royal Caribbean put him off in the next port rather than me throw him off while we're at sea :p

As a single father of two girls, I have little tolerance for any male being aggressive towards any woman/young lady.

Seriously, if the parents were repeatedly serving their teens alcohol, then I support the whole family being disciplined. If the teens were being served by RC staff (with or without their parents' consent), that's a different matter. As a parent, I rely on RC's safeguards to prevent my DDs (12 and 13) from being served alcohol. My girls enjoy virgin daiquiris onboard (about 1 per day). If the RC bartender (for whatever reason) doesn't give them a virgin daiquiri, I'm going to have a serious problem with that. In that scenario, I'd be the father swearing at the staff. ;)

[crusinmama06]

Legal age at home with parental supervision is 5. http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/pubs.htm is what is taught in junior schools.

 

Legal age for drinking alcohol at home

The legal age for drinking in one's home is 5 provided parental consent is given. Children under 5 must not be given alcohol unless under medical supervision in an emergency.

 

HAHAHAHA! I wonder what kind of medical emergency would warrant a toddler to have a beer? :D

 

My mom is British, no wonder my youngest comes home and my mom says that she was "so well behaved" -- maybe my mum is knocking her out with a wee pint. :p

 

(yes, I am kidding ;) I am in no way assuming that my darling mother is feeding my child alcohol)