Underage teen caught drinking thrown off Oasis 6/4

[Puffinater]

Getting a bit off the topic here I just want to say that we get drinks for our daughter, she is 19, to me she can die for her country in war, she can vote, and drive, work and buy tobacco....when I was her age the drinking age was 18 then they changed the laws for whatever reason I not know but I say its not fair. So we gladly will give our daughter one of those welcome aboard drinks and have a limit of 3 drinks a day, I see nothing wrong with that. Honestly, my daughter rather have a latte lol

 

While I agree with you relating to the hi-lited portion of your post this belief would not preclude RCI or any other cruiseline from removing you from the ship for violating policy. Not worth the risk.

[bajathree]

Getting a bit off the topic here I just want to say that we get drinks for our daughter, she is 19, to me she can die for her country in war, she can vote, and drive, work and buy tobacco....when I was her age the drinking age was 18 then they changed the laws for whatever reason I not know but I say its not fair. So we gladly will give our daughter one of those welcome aboard drinks and have a limit of 3 drinks a day, I see nothing wrong with that. Honestly, my daughter rather have a latte lol

 

Right or wrong in your mind and whether anyone agrees or not...bottom line is she is under 21 and it is illegal...if you are seen by a crew member while cruising handing a drink over to your underage teen, they are required to notify security.

[siren]

They would not have gotten the drinks if the bartender did not give them to them. It should never have been offered to them. Additionally, You do not know if I read them the "riot act" or not. I 100% blame serving alcohol to a minor on the ship, the ship/bartender responsibility.

[bajathree]

They would not have gotten the drinks if the bartender did not give them to them. It should never have been offered to them. Additionally, You do not know if I read them the "riot act" or not. I 100% blame serving alcohol to a minor on the ship, the ship/bartender responsibility.

 

Just read the post a couple above this....a lot of underage drinking is parents actually supplying the drinks. Some people feel it's fine for their 18yr olds to drink. Heck I saw a high school senior group just recently in Cozumel.....they were pouring tequila right down the kids throat and the parents were in line right behind them next to drink....happens more often than you may think....they went thru bottles before I had left and no one was walking straight. There are stories all the time about parents caught supplying underage teens alcohol at their homes....especially around graduation time.

[Ocean Boy]

They would not have gotten the drinks if the bartender did not give them to them. It should never have been offered to them. Additionally, You do not know if I read them the "riot act" or not. I 100% blame serving alcohol to a minor on the ship, the ship/bartender responsibility.

 

No I don't know what you said to your daughter. I simply stated what I would have done with my kid.

 

So the bartender offered your daughter drinks or she asked for it? Actually, never mind, it doesn't matter. Of course it is the bartender's fault as you stated... 100%.:rolleyes: After all this is America. Everything is always someone else's fault.

[Vegas Vic]

 

 

Unless the child was putting herself and others in danger, and unless the "abuse" by the parent vis-à-vis security was seriously threatening, and not just verbal, a serious reprimand also could have sufficed without the family (or part thereof) being thrown off the ship.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Gunther and Uta

 

 

The cruise contract states that being removed from the ship is within the rights of the staff when rules are broken:

 

www.RoyalCaribbean.com/content/en_US/pdf/Guest_Conduct_Policy.pdf

 

www.RoyalCaribbean.com/content/pdf/Refusal_To_Transport.pdf

[Mark_K]

Right or wrong in your mind and whether anyone agrees or not...bottom line is she is under 21 and it is illegal...if you are seen by a crew member while cruising handing a drink over to your underage teen, they are required to notify security.

Once the ship leaves US waters giving a drink to a 19 year old, is not illegal, it's just contrary to RCI policy.

[akcruz]

Getting a bit off the topic here I just want to say that we get drinks for our daughter, she is 19, to me she can die for her country in war, she can vote, and drive, work and buy tobacco....when I was her age the drinking age was 18 then they changed the laws for whatever reason I not know but I say its not fair. So we gladly will give our daughter one of those welcome aboard drinks and have a limit of 3 drinks a day, I see nothing wrong with that. Honestly, my daughter rather have a latte lol

 

My daughter was 19 on our last cruise and yes we did buy her a few (1 or 2) drinks in port. However, while on the ship she stuck with soda or virgin drinks. You are the guest on the ship and therefore required to follow their rules. If you are caught, I hope you have your passport to be able to get back home!

 

Personally I am glad to see RCI standing behind their rules for once.

[baffy]

Oddly enough the only drunken behavior thats bothered me was on RCL and Iv done Carnival 17 times.

 

One time at the past guest party in the main theater, I was squashed in, and the elderly guy next to me was almost falling down drunk. He spilled a full glass of wine on my arm, and it was so crowded, and someone was talking on stage, that I couldnt get up and leave and it was too noisy to complain to the man.

 

the other time bridge was scheduled, in the game room. Darned if some large drinking group, with all their drinks didnt choose to sit right next to the two tables of bridge (there was a adjoining room .. but nooo, they had to sit in the card tables section). One lady .. again older than me, stood up yelling and screaming pretty constantly. They were playing some drinking card game. The bridge games broke up needless to say.

 

If you run into drunks, sometimes there isnt a thing you can do. They already ruined your fun at the time... why tell on them, too late to save the bridge games.

 

I you are going to break rules you need to be prepaired to pay the consequences.

 

If you do not do anything or say anything then there are no concequences for their bad behaviour, if there are no consequences, then the bad behavior continues and snowballs by others... That's why

[baffy]

Sorry, I haven't come back since I last posted.

 

Think of it this way, if you or one of your family did something they weren't supposed to do on a cruise ship, say took an item off a table and didn't pay for it. Would you want the person who caught you to tell the person across the hallway what you just did? Woudl you want that person to come on to CC and relate a story that you were caught stealing?

 

I believe we are all entitled to privacy and if a person has a potentially embarrassing situation, others are not automatically entitled to know the particulars of that situation.

 

It was no one elses business to ask about the situation and it was not the staff members business to tell you about it. What if that cruise staff didn't really know the truth? Then all you have is rumor. If it is a situation that can harm you or others, it may be the business to inform you, otherwise it was a problem for the family to work out with the cruise line.

 

 

Every action has a consequence, positive actions have positive consequences and negative, or bad illegal actions have those kinds of conseqences.

[readytogo2]

Sorry, I haven't come back since I last posted.

 

Think of it this way, if you or one of your family did something they weren't supposed to do on a cruise ship, say took an item off a table and didn't pay for it. Would you want the person who caught you to tell the person across the hallway what you just did? Woudl you want that person to come on to CC and relate a story that you were caught stealing?

 

I believe we are all entitled to privacy and if a person has a potentially embarrassing situation, others are not automatically entitled to know the particulars of that situation.

 

It was no one elses business to ask about the situation and it was not the staff members business to tell you about it. What if that cruise staff didn't really know the truth? Then all you have is rumor. If it is a situation that can harm you or others, it may be the business to inform you, otherwise it was a problem for the family to work out with the cruise line.

There is no privacy for any of us. If news or happenings weren't reported ,there would be nothing news worthy at least in this country. Of course if it happened to a member of my own family, I wouldn't be thrilled but there is nothing we can do. News of any kind is reported, whether we like it or not. Even in my hometown paper, if someone gets arrested for anything it gets reported, unfortunately if that person was innocent it rarely gets printed.

On a cruise ship, people don't get arrested for going against the cruise line's policy (which we all sign an agreement) they are made to stay in their cabin or get put off the ship altogether.

[gerif]

Once the ship leaves US waters giving a drink to a 19 year old, is not illegal, it's just contrary to RCI policy.

 

Same difference - think of the ship as its own "country" entitled to make its own "laws." If you break their laws, you suffer their consequences. In this case, the offender was "deported" - literally.

[Mark_K]

Same difference - think of the ship as its own "country" entitled to make its own "laws." If you break their laws, you suffer their consequences. In this case, the offender was "deported" - literally.

It's more like taking your own food into a movie theater than it is breaking a law.

[Stags14]

Seeing people escorted off wouldn't be a secret . . . but knowing details about what led up to their kicking-off, especially knowing about the tapes, would be confidential. You can't look at just that one thing and say, "This is why drinking works in Euorpe". Instead, you have to look at all the influences within society, and -- in my opinion -- the biggest issue that works against teens/alcohol is our American lack of moderation. We don't do anything in moderation. We want every meal to be a feast, every outfit to be a show stopper, every car to have all the bells and whistles, every vacation to be top-notch luxury. And we treat drinking the same way: Our society doesn't encourage one beer. It encourages four. Europeans have always been much more restrained and moderate.

 

Early drinking is a bad, bad idea; all the studies prove that the earlier one drinks, the more likely one is to become an alcoholic (of course, this study used American subjects). My father wasn't raised in America, and -- according to my aunt -- he began drinking around age 5. He was the oldest child and my grandmother's favorite, so she'd take him out drinking in the afternoons. My aunt believes he was already an alcoholic in his teens (so was their other brother), and he died at 40. So he began drinking early, but his parents had American habits . . . and it turned out disasterously.

This is all absolutely true. As the child of an alcoholic, I've read extensively on the subject and much of the research goes against what many people consider "common sense". A teenaged liver doesn't react the same way to alcohol; it is MUCH more damaging to a teen's liver, and that damage lasts forever. Also, the portion of the brain that limits impulse behavior doesn't mature 'til after the teen years. These are cold, hard facts.

 

Also, I was one of the first age cohorts affected by the 21-year old drinking age, and I know that what youj're saying about wrecks is true: In the grades above me, 2-3 people PER YEAR were killed in just my small school. 5 in my brother's grade. And alcohol was almost always involved. In my grade, only one fatality. Not true. All states made the law 21 while I was in high school (and I graduated in 1984). It always made sense from a medical standpoint, but the federal government manipulated the law by tying it to highway money. Hawaii was the sole hold-out, which is makes sense: They make $$$$$ from selling drinks and have few roads.

 

First of all, I am extremely sorry to hear about your father's, and your family's struggle with alcoholism.

 

However, I have to disagree with some of your logic. Alcoholism is a disease and it really doesn't matter when or where one starts to drink. I happen to believe binge drinking can be prevented by learned behavior. The type of early "drinking" I was exposed to was literally a drop of wine in a full glass of water with cranberry juice. We're not talkin about johnnie walker on the rocks as a teenager.

 

I learned that wine was used to socialize, went well with food - and that is it. Now, when I drink wine it's just a glass or two with a meal and then I have espresso and I'm done!

 

I was not raised like this with beer - and I can drink it all day by the pool or all day at a bbq... or all day at a hockey game. I'm not an alcoholic, but I surely appreciate wine differently than beer. I do think that has a lot to do with how I was raised and being a 1st generation born in the US.

 

Remember the quantity difference that we're discussing. I never even tasted the wine - just knew it was there - it was much less than a shot, literally a drop of it. I wasn't actually drinking - it was more of experiencing and being taught. I think it's important to clarify that.

 

Also, the drinking age in NY wasn't changed to 21 until 1985. I did just look that up because I remember stories - I was 5 at the time lol.

 

Why would it be confidential? Where is the law that says so?

 

I believe the children were minors... maybe that means the crew just can't discuss the names of the kids but that would be my best guess. I know you want facts but it just isn't worth it to me to look it up or research it lol.

[gerif]

Sorry, I haven't come back since I last posted.

 

Think of it this way, if you or one of your family did something they weren't supposed to do on a cruise ship, say took an item off a table and didn't pay for it. Would you want the person who caught you to tell the person across the hallway what you just did? Woudl you want that person to come on to CC and relate a story that you were caught stealing?

 

I believe we are all entitled to privacy and if a person has a potentially embarrassing situation, others are not automatically entitled to know the particulars of that situation.

 

It was no one elses business to ask about the situation and it was not the staff members business to tell you about it. What if that cruise staff didn't really know the truth? Then all you have is rumor. If it is a situation that can harm you or others, it may be the business to inform you, otherwise it was a problem for the family to work out with the cruise line.

 

Gosh, if I were caught shoplifting, my name (and possibly photo) would be plastered all over the newspapers - at least the local ones, unless it were a diamond necklace, in which case it would be on the internet as well. Nope, if you break the law, you are no longer entitled to any kind of privacy.

[gerif]

It's more like taking your own food into a movie theater than it is breaking a law.

 

Perhaps, but if you are caught doing that and the theater chooses to enforce the policy, they can evict you and you would have no recourse.

[Stags14]

Gosh, if I were caught shoplifting, my name (and possibly photo) would be plastered all over the newspapers - at least the local ones, unless it were a diamond necklace, in which case it would be on the internet as well. Nope, if you break the law, you are no longer entitled to any kind of privacy.

 

That's not true when you're dealing with minors....

[Illmaxict]

a stern warning or two should do the trick. if the underage kid becomes unruly then i see no problem with enforcing the rules to the fullest extent. as a minor who consumed on board only 5 years ago, i can see the other perspective, but I was always respectful, even when inebriated. some kids just don't understand limits. limits pertaining to consumption and limits as in actions and what they are already getting away with and not pushing the envelope.

[Happy ks]

I think a whole lot of people here would change their mind about confidentiality if they came to a site like CC and saw they were being discussed. I don't care for people discussing me behind my back and I doubt you do either, whether it is good or bad.

 

I don't think I would ever approach a cruise ship personnel and inquire about another pax troubles.

 

I kind of put this situation right up there with approaching a cruise ship personnel and asking their wages, I just could not do it.

 

I live in a large enough area that shoplifting definitely would not make the news and minors are not identified in the news.

 

Maybe I'm just not as nosy as others, I just don't think this underage drinking issue would be my business and I will never think it's OK for a ship personnel to tell other peoples issues.

[chris153]

I really do not think they were escorted off the ship just for one underage drink. I think there is alot more to this. The attitude of the child (harassing a girl) and the attitude of the father (beligerent) I would not doubt that the father thought the child did anything wrong. That being said, rules are rules, you may not agree with them, so break them and pay the consequences.

[readytogo2]

I think a whole lot of people here would change their mind about confidentiality if they came to a site like CC and saw they were being discussed. I don't care for people discussing me behind my back and I doubt you do either, whether it is good or bad.

 

I don't think I would ever approach a cruise ship personnel and inquire about another pax troubles.

 

I kind of put this situation right up there with approaching a cruise ship personnel and asking their wages, I just could not do it.

 

I live in a large enough area that shoplifting definitely would not make the news and minors are not identified in the news.

 

Maybe I'm just not as nosy as others, I just don't think this underage drinking issue would be my business and I will never think it's OK for a ship personnel to tell other peoples issues.

 

No identities were disclosed on here and my guess on the ship neither. As far as being nosy I have to admit I am a bit:o, but then again so is everyone else that is following this thread.;)

[bajathree]

I think a whole lot of people here would change their mind about confidentiality if they came to a site like CC and saw they were being discussed. I don't care for people discussing me behind my back and I doubt you do either, whether it is good or bad.

 

I don't think I would ever approach a cruise ship personnel and inquire about another pax troubles.

 

I kind of put this situation right up there with approaching a cruise ship personnel and asking their wages, I just could not do it.

 

I live in a large enough area that shoplifting definitely would not make the news and minors are not identified in the news.

 

Maybe I'm just not as nosy as others, I just don't think this underage drinking issue would be my business and I will never think it's OK for a ship personnel to tell other peoples issues.

 

It becomes your business when your own kids come back from the teen club telling you stories like this;)

[bajathree]

I think a whole lot of people here would change their mind about confidentiality if they came to a site like CC and saw they were being discussed. I don't care for people discussing me behind my back and I doubt you do either, whether it is good or bad.

 

I don't think I would ever approach a cruise ship personnel and inquire about another pax troubles.

 

I kind of put this situation right up there with approaching a cruise ship personnel and asking their wages, I just could not do it.

 

I live in a large enough area that shoplifting definitely would not make the news and minors are not identified in the news.

 

Maybe I'm just not as nosy as others, I just don't think this underage drinking issue would be my business and I will never think it's OK for a ship personnel to tell other peoples issues.

 

No identities were disclosed on here and my guess on the ship neither. As far as being nosy I have to admit I am a bit:o, but then again so is everyone else that is following this thread.;)

 

That is 100% correct.

[readytogo2]

It becomes your business when your own kids come back from the teen club telling you stories like this;)

 

Yes indeed and especially if you have a daughter that goes to the Teen Club... I want to know how the cruise line handles an underage drinker that harasses girls.

[MrsPete]

However, I have to disagree with some of your logic. Alcoholism is a disease and it really doesn't matter when or where one starts to drink. I happen to believe binge drinking can be prevented by learned behavior. The type of early "drinking" I was exposed to was literally a drop of wine in a full glass of water with cranberry juice. We're not talkin about johnnie walker on the rocks

 

lol.

It's not my logic -- it's multiple studies performed by different researchers over decades. As I said, I've read extensively on the topic of alcoholism, and everything I've read about early drinking is that it makes a person more likely to become an alcoholic later. Admittedly, I haven't read anything about watered-down drinks in studies.

 

Also, alcoholism is not so much a true disease as a tendency towards a disease. The individual's choices and behavior dictate whether he will develop alcoholism. Diabetes is similar: say you have two people with an equal tendency towards diabetes. One of the people watches his diet carefully, being careful to eat plenty of vegetables, and he exercises regularly. The other person pays little attention to diet, grabbing fast food as it suits him and exercises only occasionally. You wouldn't be surprised to hear that one of these people avoided developing diabetes, while the other was forced to start medications from a young age. Alcoholism is similar: a person who trunks early, who binge drinks is likely to become alcoholic.