Feelin' Nauti' Posted January 23, 2012 #4351 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Costa Concordia offering 30% off future cruises — didn't sit well with Whoopi on the View. Stating "if you want to cruise again you have to pay 70%. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDCruiseProf Posted January 23, 2012 #4352 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I think part of the real point of this letter is to point out that the ship was part of Carnival (since I am sure some aren't aware that Costa is owned by them). Personally, I think that comes off a litte underhanded but its business and I do tend to be a more sensitive soul than many in the world of business. I can't say as I blame them... I mean one buffoon working for a, seemingly, loosely run cruise line (Costa) has made trouble for everyone else. If I were the president of RCCL (or Regent, or Viking, or Princess, etc.) I'd do exactly the same thing. I may be biased, but I find RCCL to be tightly run and that's a strong selling point for me. I suspect they need to market that aspect of their operations more heavily and if that comes at the expense of Carnival... well... as you said... it is indeed business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinlandGuy Posted January 23, 2012 #4353 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Two more bodies found in the ship internet cafe http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/23/world/europe/italy-cruise-main/index.html?hpt=wo_c2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted January 23, 2012 #4354 Share Posted January 23, 2012 In the future could there be a electronic over ride from the cruise line head quater monitoring ,that if a unsafe route or manuver was made by the bridge ,that it would be over riden electronically ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDCruiseProf Posted January 23, 2012 #4355 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I had to pay $135 to TSA for a biometric ID card to access ports. I tried to use it in Midway airport as an ID with boarding pass to pass security, and they did not recognize it. They called police, and were not satisfied until I showed them my Texas Driver's License. TSA failed to recognize their own ID document! Is that good security? It's not good security... but it's GREAT security theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigm@ Posted January 23, 2012 #4356 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I do not know how the last 300 or so Concordia passengers got up the courage to do that hull crawl. It took many of them hours to do this. I am in awe of their courage. Totally agree. Could you post the link? I'm only finding stories from 4 hours ago. I know you've had the cnn link but sky have it too. http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16154900 I received the same email.Wonder if Costa Crociere sent an email out to their past passengers. Doubt it! Nothing received here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCcruisin07 Posted January 23, 2012 #4357 Share Posted January 23, 2012 After what happened I doubt there will be many takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDCruiseProf Posted January 23, 2012 #4358 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree that you can't stop stupidity. My thinking though is that if they have someone at the cruise line tracking the ship, and they simply called the Captain and said to him that is an unsafe course, that it is an unsafe route that he should not take it, which is something that could have been seen before the 10 seconds someone keeps mentioning, that maybe the Captain would have come to his senses and not done it. He would have to justify why he was going that route. There is still the possibility he would have done it anyway but maybe he would not have done it with that little intervention. Unfortunately... from my perspective... Costa's culture was one whereby this kind of "flyby" was tacitly approved. With that in mind... would they (Costa corporate) have intervened? Doubtful... I'm guessing that this was an unofficial standard practice that finally caught up with them. Again... no command system would stop this kind of accident under those circumstances. If the top is corrupted... who can you trust then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisers425Years Posted January 23, 2012 #4359 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm having difficulty finding a link to a live webcam of the Concordia, can someone post one that's up and working? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRL_Joanie Posted January 23, 2012 #4360 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm having difficulty finding a link to a live webcam of the Concordia, can someone post one that's up and working? Thanks. I use this one as the main one (it automatically refreshes every 10 or 15 seconds) http://www.giglionews.it/2010022440919/webcam/isola-del-giglio/webcam-giglio-porto-panoramica.html And this one which I can enlarge in Internet Explorer, which I have to refresh manually when I want to see changes: http://www.giglionews.com/isoladelgiglio_porto.jpg Joanie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyitsmema Posted January 23, 2012 #4361 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm having difficulty finding a link to a live webcam of the Concordia, can someone post one that's up and working? Thanks. http://www.giglionews.it/2010022440919/webcam/isola-del-giglio/webcam-giglio-porto-panoramica.html Sun is going down so won't be able to see anything for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted January 23, 2012 #4362 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm having difficulty finding a link to a live webcam of the Concordia, can someone post one that's up and working? Thanks. http://www.giglionews.it/2010022440919/webcam/isola-del-giglio/webcam-giglio-porto-panoramica.html Above the picture you'll see Webcam. There is a drop down on that tab so you can change the view. Click to Giglio Porto for a different view, tho I think the panoramic one is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmcd Posted January 23, 2012 #4363 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I can't understand why having someone on shore monitoring the ships outrages our sailor friends so much. We are not talking about ships carrying freight. We are talking about ships carrying human beings. As one of those "outraged sailor friends" I understand your concern, and in some ports like entering Rotterdam or Hamburg you are given courses and speeds to steer just like air traffic control. However the people giving orders are professional captains and pilots themselves with excellent radar and AIS information available to them, and a relatively limited geographic area of control. I don't think anyone aboard ship would tolerate someone of unknown experience and credentials who is not there and probably does not have the same visual imput those on the ship have, second guessing every maneuver those there on the bridge were making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judybee Posted January 23, 2012 #4364 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I received the same email. Wonder if Costa Crociere sent an email out to their past passengers. Doubt it! Yes, they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted January 23, 2012 #4365 Share Posted January 23, 2012 In the future could there be a electronic over ride from the cruise line head quater monitoring ,that if a unsafe route or manuver was made by the bridge ,that it would be over riden electronically ? Just think they could drive it by remote control, just get rid of the Officers altogether, NOT! I could just see this happening. captain goes all out to avoid a collision and gets over ridden by some 18 yo on night watch who cancels the course change and drives the ships into a collision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted January 23, 2012 #4366 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Harbor Masters log released http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9030216/Costa-Concordia-Harbour-masters-log-shows-how-the-disaster-unfolded.html Welcome to CC. I posted that a few days ago but was going to bring it up again for those that may have missed it. Thanks for doing so. Costa Concordia offering 30% off future cruises — didn't sit well with Whoopi on the View. Stating "if you want to cruise again you have to pay 70%. :rolleyes: Whoopi also referred to it (again) as Carnival Cruise Line' date=' as tho they are the ones making the offer.[/color'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelin' Nauti' Posted January 23, 2012 #4367 Share Posted January 23, 2012 How the plot thickens.... Crew accepted a payoff in tips while loading lifeboats?!?!? :eek: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4079109/Rich-Russians-bought-lifeboat-places-as-Costa-Concordia-sank.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted January 23, 2012 #4368 Share Posted January 23, 2012 As one of those "outraged sailor friends" I understand your concern, and in some ports like entering Rotterdam or Hamburg you are given courses and speeds to steer just like air traffic control. However the people giving orders are professional captains and pilots themselves with excellent radar and AIS information available to them, and a relatively limited geographic area of control. I don't think anyone aboard ship would tolerate someone of unknown experience and credentials who is not there and probably does not have the same visual imput those on the ship have, second guessing every maneuver those there on the bridge were making. The person or persons would have to be trained with known experience and credentials for it to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules1121 Posted January 23, 2012 #4369 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Harbor Masters log released http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9030216/Costa-Concordia-Harbour-masters-log-shows-how-the-disaster-unfolded.html So when exactly did the ship settle into the basic position it is in now (from listing to basically stuck on its side in the rocky seafloor)? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted January 23, 2012 #4370 Share Posted January 23, 2012 How the plot thickens.... Crew accepted a payoff in tips while loading lifeboats?!?!? :eek: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4079109/Rich-Russians-bought-lifeboat-places-as-Costa-Concordia-sank.html ITALIAN prosecutors are probing claims that rich Russian passengers on the Costa Concordia "bought" places in lifeboats ahead of women and children. So it is just like the Titanic where the rich did the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted January 23, 2012 #4371 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Costa Concordia offering 30% off future cruises — didn't sit well with Whoopi on the View. Stating "if you want to cruise again you have to pay 70%. :rolleyes: I have read different things about this offer. First though the offer is a refund plus 30 per cent off future cruises, not just 30% off of future cruises. Second a travel agent friend thinks that offer was only made to those who had booked Concordia future sailings that are now canceled. That it was not for those on the doomed sailing. That would make a difference. Does anyone know if that is the case? Or was that offer also to those on the doomed sailing. We can't rely on the news media for the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PizzaJohn 7 Posted January 23, 2012 #4372 Share Posted January 23, 2012 The person or persons would have to be trained with known experience and credentials for it to work. Give it a rest Charley. You've made your point (over and over again) that you'd like some monitoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyjonesrugrat Posted January 23, 2012 #4373 Share Posted January 23, 2012 The person or persons would have to be trained with known experience and credentials for it to work.Ok the suspense is getting to me, I have to know what is your background. You dont appear to be listening to others so I would like to know what your field of expertise is -... Its the fourth time of asking and the second poster to ask rgds :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyjonesrugrat Posted January 23, 2012 #4374 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Give it a rest Charley. You've made your point (over and over again) that you'd like some monitoring.Yeah but he wants a system with a joystick too !!!!...... Maybe he is basing his system on GTA or similar, but a nautical theme !!! rgds :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadft Posted January 23, 2012 #4375 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Remember Valujet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592 I agree that Carnival will not change their brand name, but I think the Costa name will soon be a thing of the past. But valujet was not an established brand with 40 years of brand equity. It was new. If it's a new brand - you change it. If it's an established brand, you repair it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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