Electronic Cigarette Policy on NCL

[gemsm]

Gemsm, just to let you know, you're looking at at least a $5,000 fine for using E cigs in a plane lavatory. I work for the airlines and the Federal Air Regulations are very strict on this. Be careful unless you feel the money is worth it.

 

NCL treats these as regular cigarettes, in that they are not allowed in any non-smoking area. However, they cannot be detected when used in your stateroom.

 

Personally, I love them since I'm allergic to cigarette smoke. I wish all smokers could use them!

 

Penguinscott...Where did you find that NCL policy as I can not find it anywhere

[Silverman]

Some of you really need to educate yourselves. Please visit this site. You can learn a lot!!!! e hyphen cigarette hyphen forum dot com. If everyone visted this site. There wouldnt be any talk of banning them. The FDA tried and failed. So please before you jump on anyone for using a ecig. Educate yourself!!!! It will do wonders for all of us who use them! Smoke free since June 2010!! After 38 years of analogs!! Quite a milestone for me!!

[gemsm]

Some of you really need to educate yourselves. Please visit this site. You can learn a lot!!!! e hyphen cigarette hyphen forum dot com. If everyone visted this site. There wouldnt be any talk of banning them. The FDA tried and failed. So please before you jump on anyone for using a ecig. Educate yourself!!!! It will do wonders for all of us who use them! Smoke free since June 2010!! After 38 years of analogs!! Quite a milestone for me!!

 

Good for you Silverman and I have been a proud member of that forum for a while

[chrispb]

My e-cig looks nothing like a real cigarette. It's a gold colour and quite a bit larger, narrowing slightly at both ends. I know some e-ciggies look very much like a real ciggie. Perhaps there wouldn't be so much oohing and aahing from non-smokers if all e-ciggies were less realistic?

[graphicguy]

First and foremost, thanks to the (former) smokers who have adapted ecigs. While I'm not the anti-smoking zealot some are, I am a non-smoker. Moreover, I know how hard it's been for some of my smoking friends to quit. Those that have said it was the hardest thing they ever did (and they all had been through some pretty terrible things serving in the military).

 

Probably part of the issue is the fact that they are calling these e-"cigarettes". If they dropped the cigarette part of the name, I bet there would be less hysteria and condemnation. After all, there is no smoke. So, you aren't smoking. No crimes committed, no fines levied. Maybe call them "inhalers"?

 

Anyway, I've been around people who use them. No issues whatsoever (and I have sinus problems).

[tjc78]

Off Topic, sorry. GraphicGuy are you the same GraphicGuy as on a certain car forum site? Funny seeing you here.

 

I wish I knew about these "e-cigs" when my fiance quit smoking.

[justkiya]

First and foremost, thanks to the (former) smokers who have adapted ecigs. While I'm not the anti-smoking zealot some are, I am a non-smoker. Moreover, I know how hard it's been for some of my smoking friends to quit. Those that have said it was the hardest thing they ever did (and they all had been through some pretty terrible things serving in the military).

 

Probably part of the issue is the fact that they are calling these e-"cigarettes". If they dropped the cigarette part of the name, I bet there would be less hysteria and condemnation. After all, there is no smoke. So, you aren't smoking. No crimes committed, no fines levied. Maybe call them "inhalers"?

 

Anyway, I've been around people who use them. No issues whatsoever (and I have sinus problems).

 

I've heard many people call them 'vapes' or 'vaporizers' because that's the root technology of the process.

 

I've greatly enjoyed using mine, and find that people often don't notice me smoking BECAUSE there is no smell - and that's what usually alerts people to others smoking near them.

[graphicguy]

Off Topic, sorry. GraphicGuy are you the same GraphicGuy as on a certain car forum site? Funny seeing you here.

 

I wish I knew about these "e-cigs" when my fiance quit smoking.

 

tjc....that be me! Haven't been over there for awhile, though.

[gemsm]

I've heard many people call them 'vapes' or 'vaporizers' because that's the root technology of the process.

 

I've greatly enjoyed using mine, and find that people often don't notice me smoking BECAUSE there is no smell - and that's what usually alerts people to others smoking near them.

 

THey are pretty much considered personal vaporizers. Unfortunately NCL is the only cruise line other than celebrity that will not allow you to vape indoors...well except for in your cabin because they wouldn't know the difference. A little ridiculous if you ask me but I don't make the policy

[Bobbye]

I've used mine on NCL all over. I guess everyone's mileage will vary!

 

I've been using mine for a year and a half and wish I had found this sooner. After stopping cigs several times and going back, even after 3 years without one, I found this extremely easy. The only time my husband complains is if I use banana nut bread juice -- he can't stand that smell :)

[gemsm]

I've used mine on NCL all over. I guess everyone's mileage will vary!

 

I've been using mine for a year and a half and wish I had found this sooner. After stopping cigs several times and going back, even after 3 years without one, I found this extremely easy. The only time my husband complains is if I use banana nut bread juice -- he can't stand that smell :)

 

My favorite is chocolate banana...I like cappucino too. I will attempt to use mine all over. The worse they will do is tell me I can't right

[mpike]

When I sailed on the Epic in October I used it at the casino and in the blues bar and for the first night crew members were coming up to me and starting to say something until they seen it was an e-cig and told me to carry on.

 

I think the worst aspect of using one is everyone wants to talk to you about it... Whether for themselves or a loved one.

[RFXT09]

It seems that most of the cruise lines have changed their smoking policies to exclude smoking in the cabins, citing the fact that 90% of passengers don’t like it and the effects on the ventilation system. I have sailed 7 times on Carnival and wonder how I got missed in the survey. My observations on said cruises were that at many more than 10% of the people smoked.

That, notwithstanding, let’s not address the smoke issue per se. After many calls, because the web sites do not provide the information, I learned that most also consider E-Cigarettes to be covered under their existing policy. E-cigarettes do not emit smoke. They have no tobacco or tar. They are odorless. I had thought that this would be an acceptable alternative (albeit a poor substitute, but acceptable none the less) for those stormy nights when going out onto the balcony is just not an option. There are venues on most ships to smoke. That is acceptable. But, when I wake up in the middle of the night with the ship rolling and the rain coming down in buckets, I really don’t want to have to dress and go out for a trek to the 1 or 2 designated areas inside (outside not being an option). I really don’t care if they want to restrict e-cigarettes to the permitted areas on the ship – except for the cabin. I have found 1 cruise line (Princess) that is astute enough to say that since there is no tobacco, no smoke, not tar and no smell, they are acceptable.

Could someone explain to me the callousness and short sightedness of cruise lines (such as Carnival, with their belligerent, hostile contract) in not allowing e-cigarettes in the cabin? All of the arguments about smell, fouling the air, etc. are moot in the case of e-cigarettes. So, why are they included in the smoking policy?

[che5904]

After many calls, because the web sites do not provide the information, I learned that most also consider E-Cigarettes to be covered under their existing policy. E-cigarettes do not emit smoke. They have no tobacco or tar. They are odorless. I had thought that this would be an acceptable alternative (albeit a poor substitute, but acceptable none the less) for those stormy nights when going out onto the balcony is just not an option. There are venues on most ships to smoke. That is acceptable. But, when I wake up in the middle of the night with the ship rolling and the rain coming down in buckets, I really don’t want to have to dress and go out for a trek to the 1 or 2 designated areas inside (outside not being an option). I really don’t care if they want to restrict e-cigarettes to the permitted areas on the ship – except for the cabin. I have found 1 cruise line (Princess) that is astute enough to say that since there is no tobacco, no smoke, not tar and no smell, they are acceptable.

Could someone explain to me the callousness and short sightedness of cruise lines (such as Carnival, with their belligerent, hostile contract) in not allowing e-cigarettes in the cabin? All of the arguments about smell, fouling the air, etc. are moot in the case of e-cigarettes. So, why are they included in the smoking policy?

 

Heck mine don't even have nicotine. The only reason Canada has not banned them completely, and only banned those with nicotine, is because they haven't found the loop hole to jump through. Without nicotine they don't fall under our food and drug act so there is no government body to stop them from being sold and used as long as they don't contain nicotine.

 

My opinion to your last paragraph. Check out post #5, that is a good indication what is holding back so many places from accepting it. That poster is not alone in his/her thought process. As for the poster who said those that have issues to read the information on the website. That won't happen as this idea is planted in the heads of some and therefore they are closed to acceptance regardless of them being proven wrong.

 

I think whoever invented these was quite creative and it should have brought the 2 camps closer together. That did not happen, why? They can't scream health, they can't scream smell, that can't even scream it is bothersome if they aren't sitting within 10" of your mouth (as far as the vapor seems to go). Can anyone say control or power trip?

 

As for the cabin, as I said before unless they had a camera in there...

[gemsm]

It seems that most of the cruise lines have changed their smoking policies to exclude smoking in the cabins, citing the fact that 90% of passengers don’t like it and the effects on the ventilation system. I have sailed 7 times on Carnival and wonder how I got missed in the survey. My observations on said cruises were that at many more than 10% of the people smoked.

That, notwithstanding, let’s not address the smoke issue per se. After many calls, because the web sites do not provide the information, I learned that most also consider E-Cigarettes to be covered under their existing policy. E-cigarettes do not emit smoke. They have no tobacco or tar. They are odorless. I had thought that this would be an acceptable alternative (albeit a poor substitute, but acceptable none the less) for those stormy nights when going out onto the balcony is just not an option. There are venues on most ships to smoke. That is acceptable. But, when I wake up in the middle of the night with the ship rolling and the rain coming down in buckets, I really don’t want to have to dress and go out for a trek to the 1 or 2 designated areas inside (outside not being an option). I really don’t care if they want to restrict e-cigarettes to the permitted areas on the ship – except for the cabin. I have found 1 cruise line (Princess) that is astute enough to say that since there is no tobacco, no smoke, not tar and no smell, they are acceptable.

Could someone explain to me the callousness and short sightedness of cruise lines (such as Carnival, with their belligerent, hostile contract) in not allowing e-cigarettes in the cabin? All of the arguments about smell, fouling the air, etc. are moot in the case of e-cigarettes. So, why are they included in the smoking policy?

 

Actually according to John Heald, Carnival allows e-cigarette use everywhere except for the dining venues. So I don't understand why you think you can't use them on Carnival

[gemsm]

Heck mine don't even have nicotine. The only reason Canada has not banned them completely, and only banned those with nicotine, is because they haven't found the loop hole to jump through. Without nicotine they don't fall under our food and drug act so there is no government body to stop them from being sold and used as long as they don't contain nicotine.

 

My opinion to your last paragraph. Check out post #5, that is a good indication what is holding back so many places from accepting it. That poster is not alone in his/her thought process. As for the poster who said those that have issues to read the information on the website. That won't happen as this idea is planted in the heads of some and therefore they are closed to acceptance regardless of them being proven wrong.

 

I think whoever invented these was quite creative and it should have brought the 2 camps closer together. That did not happen, why? They can't scream health, they can't scream smell, that can't even scream it is bothersome if they aren't sitting within 10" of your mouth (as far as the vapor seems to go). Can anyone say control or power trip?

 

As for the cabin, as I said before unless they had a camera in there...

 

The United States is attempting to ban them under the FDA because the government is losing tax revenue from all those that have stopped smoking and turned to e-cigarettes and they have not yet figured out how to tax them. Also the pharmaceutical companies are pushing for the ban because they are losing money from their nicotine substitutes (gum, patches etc...).

[che5904]

The United States is attempting to ban them under the FDA because the government is losing tax revenue from all those that have stopped smoking and turned to e-cigarettes and they have not yet figured out how to tax them. Also the pharmaceutical companies are pushing for the ban because they are losing money from their nicotine substitutes (gum, patches etc...).

 

LOL then I'll stick with my 2nd last sentence. Can you say control and power trip?? :D :D

[JWinKC]

Our government hates personal vaporizers (e-cigs) because they don't make millions of dollars from their sale and use.

 

Our big Pharma companies hate them because they don't make millions from people that use them, instead of Chantix, Nicoderm, or Nicorette to successfully quit smoking.

 

The militant non-smokers hate them because it looks like we are doing something that we enjoy, but they absolutely hate.

 

The restrictions and attempted bans placed on these devices by government are all about money, but restrictions on their use in private facilities, like cruise ships, are probably in place to keep the non-smokers from freaking out when they see a tiny cloud of odorless, non toxic vapor from the other end of a bar.

 

I will be on the Epic at the end of this month, and I will certainly have my E-cig in hand. I will test the limits of what is acceptable, but will always be courteous to other patrons and respect the limits imposed by the staff.

 

Once more folks discover these devices and they are seen as relatively harmless, we will see more common-sense policy. In the meantime, it's up to E-cig users to educate others and soothe their fears.

 

Okay...Off the soapbox.

 

The e-cig forum is a wonderful resource for more info. If you are a smoker who wants to quit, go there and educate yourself before you try anything else.

 

Cheers!

 

JW (Smoke free since 2/9/11)

[swedish weave]

LOL then I'll stick with my 2nd last sentence. Can you say control and power trip?? :D :D

 

I would say the power trip thing is a two way street. See below !!:confused:

 

The militant non-smokers hate them because it looks like we are doing something that we enjoy, but they absolutely hate.

 

I will be on the Epic at the end of this month, and I will certainly have my E-cig in hand. I will test the limits of what is acceptable, but will always be courteous to other patrons and respect the limits imposed by the staff.

[RFXT09]

Actually according to John Heald, Carnival allows e-cigarette use everywhere except for the dining venues. So I don't understand why you think you can't use them on Carnival

Because I called Carnival and was told that e-cigarettes are classified as cigarettes and subject to the same policy.

[che5904]

I would say the power trip thing is a two way street. See below !!:confused:

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Swedish I cannot speak for the other poster's thoughts or actions except that so far we have not seen any official policy from NCL where e-cigs are concerned and except for the poster's choice of words they basically said they were going to test it out unless crew stopped them.

 

But I can address mine. I have stated why I felt this was a control or power issue. e-cigs are not a health hazard, they do not emit smoke, they do not smell, they don't waif in anyone else' space, they don't leave any after odors. So if you have an alternate side to put forward as to why then there are all these restriction put on them or they are banned in certain countries and trying to be banned (as stated above in the U.S.), they cannot be used on airplanes or indoors. I for one would be happy to remain open and hear you out if you feel it is not a control or power issue that is causing this.

 

Perhaps it would help to hear the other side to be able to put minds at ease and open up communication lines to bridge the gap between the two camps and figure out why any cruise line would take issue to them.

[mickeysgal]

The restrictions and attempted bans placed on these devices by government are all about money, but restrictions on their use in private facilities, like cruise ships, are probably in place to keep the non-smokers from freaking out when they see a tiny cloud of odorless, non toxic vapor from the other end of a bar.

 

 

Those e-cigs are very real looking. I was fooled by it myself when my step mother started smoking them. We don't allow smoking in our house and I walked in on her in my house with a puff of smoke vapor over her head.

 

Cruise lines would be put into the box of having to investigate each puff of smoke that it sees - is it a real cigarette or is it just vapor? Then they'd have to defend and field questions and complaints from the general audience as why that person on the other side of the room is smoking. I can see that being a real headache that they don't want to get involved in so that's why they may maintain that it follows the same cigarette policy. I can see real cigarette smokers being confused if they see someone smoking and don't know it's an e-cig, they may assume it's ok to smoke as well.

[gemsm]

Those e-cigs are very real looking. I was fooled by it myself when my step mother started smoking them. We don't allow smoking in our house and I walked in on her in my house with a puff of smoke vapor over her head.

 

Cruise lines would be put into the box of having to investigate each puff of smoke that it sees - is it a real cigarette or is it just vapor? Then they'd have to defend and field questions and complaints from the general audience as why that person on the other side of the room is smoking. I can see that being a real headache that they don't want to get involved in so that's why they may maintain that it follows the same cigarette policy. I can see real cigarette smokers being confused if they see someone smoking and don't know it's an e-cig, they may assume it's ok to smoke as well.

 

I don't know what type of e-cig your mother was using but my battery lights up neon green or neon blue, The battery colors I have are silver, platinum, and neon green, and if anyone mistook it for an actual cigarette then they are seeing only what they want to see

[mickeysgal]

I don't know what type of e-cig your mother was using but my battery lights up neon green or neon blue, The battery colors I have are silver, platinum, and neon green, and if anyone mistook it for an actual cigarette then they are seeing only what they want to see

 

It does have a light on the tip. She was in a chair and I only saw her from the back with a puff of smoke above her head. From clear across the house, looking from my front door down the hallway into the great room, I had no idea that it was an e-cig.

 

She also smokes it in restaurants but hides it by cupping it in her hands - so then all you see is the puff of smoke, not the little light. Still produces questions as to whether she's smoking or not. Many restaurants have asked her to stop.

 

And that's my point, across a restaurant or across a bar you simply can't always tell depending on your line of sight. It could definitely produce a lot of questions for both the crew and the patrons. It puts the crew in the position of having to investigate each case and then answer to all those that may complain about it. I think cruiselines don't want to get caught up in that. My opinion only...

[graphicguy]

Because I called Carnival and was told that e-cigarettes are classified as cigarettes and subject to the same policy.

 

Just curious, if you ended up calling them and asking them where you could use your inhaler (which would be an accurate descriptor), I wonder if their answer would be different?

 

mikeysgal....to me the answer seems too simple. If someone is in doubt, let them ask.

 

If some can't handle the appearance of smoking (even when someone isn't), then that person has other, more serious issues that need to be addressed.