How bad is the smoking on Allure?

[johneeo]

The Allure is a horrible choice if you dislike cigarette smoke; I wish I had been forewarned before my cruise as I never would have sailed on Allure if I knew how many smoking areas there were, how poorly the smoking areas are laid out (i.e. that they impact nearby supposedly nonsmoking venues), how poor the enforcement of smoking violations was, and how they vent smoke from indoor smoking areas to outdoor nonsmoking areas. It is difficult to avoid smoke on the Allure.

 

I have sailed the Oasis, and I see posts from others that have also sailed Allure and Oasis, and your comments are far from factual, bordering on absurd.

[CP3o]

I have sailed the Oasis, and I see posts from others that have also sailed Allure and Oasis, and your comments are far from factual, bordering on absurd.

 

I'm not sure that's fair; are they apples to apples comparisons? Both non-smokers sensitive to smoke who have sailed same ship on same dates? Two people can have two different opinions even on the same sailing but I think 'how much smoke' can really vary depending on the number of smokers on the cruise and the venues the pax visit.

 

I was on the Allure Tgiving week and did not have any problems. I smelled smoke in the casino, as expected, when I briefly visited. There were more families and kids sailing and, I think, fewer foreigners so I think there was less smoking than any cruise I've been on since Disney. But, I didn't wander by Boleros at night; only in the day when it was dead. I never went to the gym and only occasionally ended up on the smokers side of pooldeck where there were few smoking.

 

I didn't have a problem on Allure but tend to believe pax that have. Their opinion based on their experience. You can have a different experience if 45% of pax smoke versus 15%.

[johneeo]

I'm not sure that's fair; ......

 

I didn't have a problem on Allure but tend to believe pax that have. Their opinion based on their experience. You can have a different experience if 45% of pax smoke versus 15%.

 

I stand by my assertion.

 

There is 0% smoking in so many venues, Solarium, Boardwalk, Central Park, MDR, all eating venues, etc. ..... 0%.

[BillOh]

The Allure is a horrible choice if you dislike cigarette smoke;

 

I'm going to strongly disagree with you based on your choice of the words horrible and dislike. I dislike smoke, I have no allergies. I loved allure and had no problems at all. I don't gamble so I didn't spend much time in the casino. I avoided bars that had smoking as there were plenty that didn't. I didn't notice any problems in the fitness center, but the ship was only 6 months old when I was on it.

 

I don't doubt the OPs sincerity and as someone mentioned, if the things that don't bother me didn't bother them, I I would get a boardwalk balcony toward the back of the ship where you can see the ocean.

 

Our meet and mingle was in Boleros and it didn't seem bad at all during the day.

[Gonzo70]

I have sailed the Oasis, and I see posts from others that have also sailed Allure and Oasis, and your comments are far from factual, bordering on absurd.

 

My posts on this issue have been 100% factual; please show me one comment I made that is untrue.

[Rocketlady]

I don't smoke and have never have. I just lost both of my parents due to smoking this past year. And I prefer to be on a ship with no smokers. But

I am hoping the smokers are thinning out after my parents gerneration dies off.

 

Back to reality. I will put up with it. We all know there will be smoke on ships. And stay away from the casinos because all bets are off there. I love

the casinos so I put up with it. If I am surrounded by smokers there I just

go sit somewhere else. I won't make a fuss because I know how hard it is

for some of them to quit because my parents tried many times.

 

Casinos in Ohio are smoke free. I figured the last few places to be smoke free will be ships and Vegas.I am not going to stay home because laws

haven't been passed to make me happier.

[m*u*g*]

On Allure, we found the casino (even the "non-smoking" side) to be unbearable. Boleros was also a problem. The worst part was that they seemed to be trying to mask the smoke with flowery air freshener, which just made it worse for our allergy problems. Easy to avoid once you know though.

 

Very true regarding casino smoke.

[k9x8]

Problem with you fanatic non smokers is, if there is any smoking on the ship your going to complain. [ATTACH]253915[/ATTACH]

 

Yep. Go sail on Celebrity for proof of that.

Of course, there are those who can smell a cigaret being smoked on a passing freighter.

[Woe is me]

My posts on this issue have been 100% factual; please show me one comment I made that is untrue.

 

Talk about absurd!:rolleyes:

[Gonzo70]

Talk about absurd!:rolleyes:

 

What is absurd is that anybody who tells the truth about how RCI has a 20th Century smoking policy is flamed on the RCI board. Doesn't bother me - I am not afraid to tell the truth about how horrendous and out of control the smoking is on RCI in general and the Oasis class ships in particular. So many people have already fled RCI because of the ridiculous and outdated smoking policy. The only place with more smoking than the Allure I have ever been is Las Vegas - and it is pretty close between the two.

[tobymurph]

As a non smoker I would, of course, prefer a non smoking ship. On the other hand, it would be difficult for a smoker to cruise for a week without a cigarette. It's like me going without a glass of red wine for a week...no fun...so having designated smoking areas is a good solution. However, the part that bugs me is that ALL of the ocean balconies are allotted for smoking. I find it quite invasive if I'm sitting on my balcony, and I'm exposed to smoke. Unlike in a bar where I can just choose to go to a different bar on the ship, a balcony room is different. A solution would be for RCI to have one side of the ship's cabins designated as smoking, the other non-smoking. Seems like a simple solution to me. I'm writing a letter to guest relations to suggest this. If you would like to do the same their email is web_cruise_comments@rccl.com or you can go on their website and get their mailing address. Sometimes changes are made through customer feedback - and we'd all be happy!: ....maybe....(:

[wscott52]

Gonzo did you copy and paste that from the last smoking thread lol

 

I'm betting he's got a macro, or at least a text file with his canned response.

[Retired LEO]

As a non smoker I would, of course, prefer a non smoking ship. On the other hand, it would be difficult for a smoker to cruise for a week without a cigarette. It's like me going without a glass of red wine for a week...no fun...so having designated smoking areas is a good solution. However, the part that bugs me is that ALL of the ocean balconies are allotted for smoking. I find it quite invasive if I'm sitting on my balcony, and I'm exposed to smoke. Unlike in a bar where I can just choose to go to a different bar on the ship, a balcony room is different. A solution would be for RCI to have one side of the ship's cabins designated as smoking, the other non-smoking. Seems like a simple solution to me. I'm writing a letter to guest relations to suggest this. If you would like to do the same their email is web_cruise_comments@rccl.com or you can go on their website and get their mailing address. Sometimes changes are made through customer feedback - and we'd all be happy!: ....maybe....(:

 

That solution is not practical and will not work.

[Aquahound]

That solution is not practical and will not work.

 

You're right and I'm baffled someone always thinks that's a feasible solution. :confused:

[tobymurph]

It's very practical - it just requires a willingness to make a change - that's the challenge! Look at the history of hotels with respect to smoking rooms. They started out with all smoking rooms, then over time, designated some floors as non smoking, (not hard to do) and now, largely because of public demand, most major hotels are completely smoke free.

[Gonzo70]

You're right and I'm baffled someone always thinks that's a feasible solution. :confused:

 

While not ideal or without problems, it is better than the current policy.

[Gonzo70]

I'm betting he's got a macro, or at least a text file with his canned response.

 

You would be wrong. So funny how some on the RCI board just do lame, juvenile attacks when someone points out the obvious - RCI has an outdated policy that will be updated soon or RCI will steadily hemorrhage away passengers to other lines.

[The Sunset Glow]

I'm writing a letter to guest relations to suggest this. If you would like to do the same their email is web_cruise_comments@rccl.com or you can go on their website and get their mailing address. Sometimes changes are made through customer feedback - and we'd all be happy!: ....maybe....(:

 

Funny - I sent a letter off to RCI about an hour before you posted this. :D However, I did not suggest they make one side smoking and the other non-smoking. I'm not convinced it will work as its not a 50/50 ratio of smokers to non-smokers. But it could be worth a try. Any improvement is better than nothing.

I think there's a better solution than what they currently offer and if we don't let them know, things will never change. And don't forget the old saying "there's power in numbers". Even if things don't improve at least they wont get worse and I can say I tried before I move on.:cool:

[The Sunset Glow]

You would be wrong. So funny how some on the RCI board just do lame, juvenile attacks when someone points out the obvious - RCI has an outdated policy that will be updated soon or RCI will steadily hemorrhage away passengers to other lines.

 

Absolutely agree with everything you've said here. You get attacked a lot just because someone disagrees with you. Eventually RCI will lose more and more non-smokers and have a disproportionate number of smokers. Maybe they could call their new ship "smoker's paradise of the seas". :rolleyes:

[Sumisid]

I'm really wondering why I did not see more people smoke electric cigarettes when I was on the Oasis a few weeks ago. I'm not a heavy smoker, but in the evening, I enjoy a cigarette with a glass of wine. The electric cigarettes have no smell for others and don't bother anyone. I used them in the MDR, in the Central Park, at the Viking Bar etc.

Some people were curious and asked me how they work. I'm much happier since I know that I don't offend others when I smoke.

[Retired LEO]

It's very practical - it just requires a willingness to make a change - that's the challenge! Look at the history of hotels with respect to smoking rooms. They started out with all smoking rooms, then over time, designated some floors as non smoking, (not hard to do) and now, largely because of public demand, most major hotels are completely smoke free.

 

I only sail in a particular cabin which many people do. Sometimes it's on the port side and sometimes it's on the starboard side. Which side do you suggest the non smoking side to be?

[Debde]

Directed at.....fill in the blank!!! :D

 

 

 

[hubofhockey]

I only sail in a particular cabin which many people do. Sometimes it's on the port side and sometimes it's on the starboard side. Which side do you suggest the non smoking side to be?

 

Of course, in reality, the smoking and non-smoking sides would never work. The non-smoking side would fill up first and they would never be able to fill up the smoking side. If you think it's bad now when you worry about a smoker in the balcony cabin next to yours, imagine how bad it would be knowing that it's likely that you will have smokers all around you and you could never expect them to be considerate of non-smokers because they booked a smoking balcony for the very reason of being able to enjoy a smoke on their balcony without the worry of bothering anyone else.

 

I am a big fan with the Princess and Celebrity policies and even the Carnival non-smoking balcony cabins on their newer ships (spa balcony cabins). The ban on the Boardwalk balcony cabins is certainly a step in the right direction.

[wscott52]

You would be wrong. So funny how some on the RCI board just do lame, juvenile attacks when someone points out the obvious - RCI has an outdated policy that will be updated soon or RCI will steadily hemorrhage away passengers to other lines.

 

I just see that most people who have been on the ship, and care, don't have a problem with smoke on the Allure. I also see you rush in to any thread that mentions smoking or the Allure of the Seas with your same hyberbolic rhetoric. If you weren't the only one saying it was so awful I might be willing to give you a chance. I'm an ex-smoker but not at all fanatical about it. I would rather not smell it at all but I'm not going to run around trashing the ship and the line at any excuse just because I get a whiff of cigarette smoke in a non-smoking section.

[Aquahound]

It's very practical - it just requires a willingness to make a change - that's the challenge! Look at the history of hotels with respect to smoking rooms. They started out with all smoking rooms, then over time, designated some floors as non smoking, (not hard to do) and now, largely because of public demand, most major hotels are completely smoke free.

 

There is a very big difference between a static hotel with everyone coming and going at different times and a moving cruise ship that completely rotates its passengers on the same day every week. You think it's practical for a cruise ship to make 50% of its balconies smoking when only 19% of Americans smoke? No, it's not practical at all. Not to mention the example already given of people wanting specific cabins/sides due to itinerary. And no, even making a portion of those cabins smoking would not work because what happens when a smoker wants the other side, or doesn't want to be limited to those specific rooms? I won't even get in to sales problems the cruise line would face. The problems would be much greater than they are currently.