Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[IcePrincessKCL]

I know it was closed, I did say for FUN, I don't recall any of the table games taking power, just cards and chips, again play for fun to pass the time.

 

I have been reading this thread for 2 days. My son is a musician on the Triumph. They have performed every day in the casino. I talked to him an hour ago and he had just finished a 2 hour set. He has been working all night some nights on "flashlight duty." He worked facilitating customs today. They really are trying to keep things as positive as possible.

 

Does your son play the trumpet in the Showband????

[ATHENA3]

Feel sorry for the crew now getting beaten like a dead horse to clean,clean,clean before this ship docks. Carnival the truth is coming out now.

[Clinty76]

This is a great quote from a person on the ship who is doing a Reddit "Ask Me Anything" I find a certain part very entertaining and another way Carnival is trying to make themselves look good!

 

"The crew is working harder than ever and the lower level workers are so nice and overworked and underpayed. The upper workers work hard and are being dressed 4x as nice for the media when we dock. It's still pretty unsanitary thought the ship and I am just now having the first meal of the day because of how long the lines are. I hope that answered most of your questions.

 

Quoted from: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18jyeu/iama_carnival_triumph_passenger_ask_me_anything/

[ducklite]

i noticed they did the same thing in the earlier press conference they had earlier in the day. why are they soo brief

 

Because the question of passengers lost wages is a legitimate concern that they don't want to face.

[dwjoe]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/14/opinion/bartlett-carnival-pr-mess/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Key points paraphrased

-CCL must show it cares about the pax even if it costs $$$

-CCL should be transparent about the cause of the fire and communicate what it's doing to prevent it from ever happening again

-Uncertainty feeds a crisis, accurate and timely info smothers it

[Blurgh]

Worth enough that i wouldnt want US bureaucrats controlling the cruise industry cause when you wanna investigate carnival you gotta investigate all "foreign flagged" cruise lines! If you google incidents on cruise ships "ALL" cruise lines have blips & the industry drydock average is 3 years in which all cruise line obey, not sooner cause of the bottom line of ANY cruise line! & speculation, who said the propulsion issues caused this! SPECULATION! & too much of that on here

 

Yeah, because those Panamanian and Bahamian bureaucrats are so much better.

[Rasvar]

Received a lot of text messages and phone calls from my wife today.

 

One thing she wanted everyone to know is that the crew on the Triumph made this situation a lot better. They did everything they could to help everyone.

 

The one thing I can say on this end of this deal is sitting at home or at work and only getting maybe one update per day by recorded message isn't enough. That is corporate and needs to change.

 

Carnival employees on the Triumph I thank you for taking care of my wife and her best friends.

 

Corporate I am not pleased how you are handling this situation and you need to look at how you handle things like this in the future.

 

This communication seems to be Carnival's second largest failure. In some ways, I think this could have been harder on the family and friends of those on board in the worrying department. Those on board had more physical issues to deal with but I really feel the lack of communication from Carnival that still continues could lead to more anger from those who were waiting on shore than on the ship.

[Clinty76]

I can't believe Uncle Gerry didn't show up for that final press conference. What a coward. That Marketing VP must be the only guy at Carnival who isn't a PR moron.

 

I completely agree 100%!

[VK3DQ]

most of them look like they expired. only one of them seems current

 

less then 1 mile to go

 

Some of the older entries refer to previous versions of the requirments, the solas and passenger compliances are the ones to refer to they are all as required

 

John Fisher Royal Navy (retired)

[gtalum]

I can't believe Uncle Gerry didn't show up for that final press conference. What a coward. That Marketing VP must be the only guy at Carnival who isn't a PR moron.

[L&J]

Because the question of passengers lost wages is a legitimate concern that they don't want to face.

 

Blah blah blah. Let it go already, we know how you feel on the issue. Move on.

[Neveratexan]

 

Does your son play the trumpet in the Showband????

 

Yes. He plays sax and clarinet. He has been on the Dream, Magic, and Freedom before this.

[gtalum]

Because the question of passengers lost wages is a legitimate concern that they don't want to face.

 

All of the concerns are legitimate. This guy isn't going to make any commitments for a wage settlement. It would be stupid for him to do that.

[carnivalcruiser10]

It very soon arrive port...

[luv cruising 007]

Yeah, because those Panamanian and Bahamian bureaucrats are so much better.

 

If our gov't was so "fair" companies wouldnt be leaving the US left & right

[RRLLAL]

most of them look like they expired. only one of them seems current

 

less then 1 mile to go

 

 

None are expired.

 

Sent using my Commodore 64 on Tapatalk 5.3

[broberts]

most of them look like they expired. only one of them seems current

 

less then 1 mile to go

 

Perhaps a longer examination will prove otherwise to you.

 

My read of http://psix.uscg.mil/PSIX/PSIXDetails.aspx?VesselID=495593 suggests that the original poster was correct. You'll note that a number of the expired entries have duplicate but valid entries in the table.

 

But I have no idea what most of these certificates are, so I don't know if an International Load Line Certificate (valid) supersedes a Load Line Certificate (Coastwise) (expired).

[dwjoe]

Missed the press conference, can anyone provide a summary?

[Blurgh]

If our gov't was so "fair" companies wouldnt be leaving the US left & right

 

LOL, what advantages would a company have "leaving" the US for places such as Panama and the Bahamas?

 

They are not positive advantages to consumers, other than price. If you think the "flag" countries give two flying ****s about anything other than the check clearing, you got another thing coming.

[chill6x6]

The Splendor fire 30 months ago is one reason, the Triumph is another. There is no evidence that CCL hasn't cut back on maintenance and their insistence on sending out ships like the Triumph that have documented mechanical problems casts doubt that their fleet is sea worthy.

I think it is great that the american taxpayer is paying the bill for the USCG to drop a generator and other supplies to the aid of this greedy corporation, However, what would happen if this occurred with a hurricane nearby? How many ships need to be stranded in the middle of nowhere, subjecting 1000's of passengers to hardship and disease, until you would agree that the ships and their logs should be inspected? How much is safety worth to you?

 

I agree concerning sending out the Triumph, cruise after cruise, with known mechanical issues. How much better to have lost a weeks revenue to make SURE mechanical issues were taken care of instead of all THIS?

 

I am not in favor of the USANYTHING getting involved. You don't want it either. Best for the market to decide and I think it WILL albeit slowly. The least expensive cruise is rarely if ever the best cruise.

[DryCreek]

most of them look like they expired. only one of them seems current

 

less than 1 mile to go

 

Not from what I see:

 

Document Agency Date Issued Expiration Date

SOLAS Passenger Ship Safety Certificate LR July 26, 2012 July 12, 2013

Certificate of Compliance - Passenger VesselN/A May 17, 2012 May 17, 2013

Certificate of Compliance - Passenger VesselNEWMS June 11, 2011 June 11, 2012

International Oil Pollution Prevention CertificateLR September 25, 2010 July 12, 2014

SOLAS Passenger Ship Safety Certificate LR August 28, 2010 July 12, 2011

Classification Document N/A May 1, 2010 July 12, 2014

SOLAS Passenger Ship Safety Certificate LR July 23, 2009 July 12, 2010

International Load Line Certificate LR July 9, 2009 July 12, 2014

Certificate of Compliance - Passenger VesselN/A June 25, 2009 June 25, 2010

ISM - Document Of Compliance N/A April 16, 2008 April 15, 2013

ISM - Safety Management Certificate LR April 16, 2008 April 15, 2013

 

If you look, they do not remove the expired certificates from the list, they just post the updated ones in there too.

 

Do I know what all of those mean? Nope.

 

ETA - wow, the table I pasted disappeared and made that really ugly. Hope I can patch it back together.

[lhamilton]

Nobody seems to be discussing what could have happened. Had the ship lost power in bad weather near a shore, we could be mourning the lives of all these people. Carnival needs to take the seaworthiness of their ships seriously. This shouldn't keep happening.

[Cupcrazy]

She's so close now. Hopefully it doesn't take too long to pull along side and slowly nudge against the pier

[fuddrules]

The one thing I can say on this end of this deal is sitting at home or at work and only getting maybe one update per day by recorded message isn't enough. That is corporate and needs to change.

 

 

I'm glad this looks to be wrapping up at least w/in 24 hours or so.

 

But, I'm not sure what the correct number of updates are? A lady earlier on CNN that was referenced on this board (like item #8) claimed Carnival wasn't communicating at all.

 

She then proceed to state something along the lines of: First they told us we were getting off Wednesday, then Thursday morning, then Thursday night. Now we may not get off until Friday.

 

The problem here isn't lack of communication. They were communicating too specific at least based on her complaints.

 

There is not a text book itinerary for what is happening. Everything is fluid. Winds, currents, tug availability and will they breakdown, etc... etc...

 

There's nothing to go by as to past practice. It's not like you're stopping at port A, then Port B, sea day, Port C, sea day, back to port A. That's all so detailed and programmed it's much easier to get accurate answers.

 

This? There's nothing to go by (Splendor had it's own unique issues).

 

I'm sure Carnival could have communicated more and probably should have, but it wouldn't have answered questions any better.

[shof515]

 

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