Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[RRLLAL]

Just read an article out of LA, quoting the commander of the Coast Guard boat escorting the Triumph say transporting passengers off is too dangerous, the ship has been listing to one side as waves crash upon the hull. The Captain of Triumph has not requested they have to board.

When does listing become dangerous on a ship with no power? At best, many will be seasick no doubt?

 

 

So the coast guard again disagrees with some here who think they have all the answers.

 

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[airmj2123]

When does listing become dangerous on a ship with no power? At best, many will be seasick no doubt?

 

If the listing gets to the point where people are in danger of falling over board or the ship is in danger of sinking, then they will do something about it... But it can list very far before anything needs to be done.

[jonbgd]

 

When does listing become dangerous on a ship with no power? At best, many will be seasick no doubt?

 

How many listing ships have been on and How many has the USCG dealt with:rolleyes:

[ducklite]

If the listing gets to the point where people are in danger of falling over board or the ship is in danger of sinking, then they will do something about it... But it can list very far before anything needs to be done.

 

If they wait too long they run into the problem that the Concordia had, they can't launch lifeboats. That said, I would imagine that the list is one of the things the USCG is watching closely.

[waldocruiser1]

If the passengers were in danger, the lifeboats would be launched. The fire was extinguished, so there was no need to evacuate the ship.

 

Why put 4,000 people into the sea if there is no need?

That is true, there is nothing wrong with leaving them in a puddle of poop instead of getting them off to a clean ship,

 

Does not matter anyway, they did not do it.

 

Would be nice to know if the lifeboats are real or just for show.

 

and don't say they would work if needed, because that was proven not to be true last January then needed them and they could not use them.

[airmj2123]

If they wait too long they run into the problem that the Concordia had, they can't launch lifeboats. That said, I would imagine that the list is one of the things the USCG is watching closely.

 

Depth is a big issue that increases list... Concordia ran into shallower ground which increased the list (preventing lifeboats from launching on one side but making the distance to shore much shorter).

[jonbgd]

That is true, there is nothing wrong with leaving them in a puddle of poop instead of getting them off to a clean ship,

 

to be true last January then needed them and they could not use them.

What clean ship is available

ANd I was on the triumph in Feb and the life boats were working:confused:

[RRLLAL]

That is true, there is nothing wrong with leaving them in a puddle of poop instead of getting them off to a clean ship,

 

Does not matter anyway, they did not do it.

 

Would be nice to know if the lifeboats are real or just for show.

 

and don't say they would work if needed, because that was proven not to be true last January then needed them and they could not use them.

 

I guess you missed the coast guard saying why it wasn't done. Maybe they are part of the conspiracy to put the bottom line ahead of safety.

 

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[Kstofflet]

I saw that piece on CNN too. There is a lot of misrepresentation in the media (surprise!) of this incident. The fact of the matter is they have had power to certain areas of the ship, and toilets in the majority of the ship are operational. Nobody is pooping in bags and buckets and no one is starving. Are they eating fillet mignon? No but they are not starving.

 

I feel sorry for them seeing that their vacation was ruined, but some people need to get a grip, things could be ALOT worse. I mean come on, the bars are free and flowing and they get a few extra days on their cruise, beats any day at work!:rolleyes:

 

Interesting perspective as what you state ... completely contrary to firsthand accounts from those on board. Bags are being used for toiletries, or the carpet, or the floors...the stench is inescapable and only 5 operational toilets. Probably zero by now. 3 to 4 hours waits for food ...i.e. stale bread with onions, and no condiments and there is ZERO alcohol flowing (for everyone's own good)...And oh boy, these lucky passengers (as you state) get a few more days on a "Chiddy Cruise"... sounds more like a hostage situation WHERE NO ONE WANTS TO BE THERE, but can't leave. You MUST be referring to the captains quarters where there is probably an operational toilet and they are hoarding bottles of water and fruits... I feel sorry for where ever you work and can only hope you find happier employment. I will take my JOB any day over being placed in such a circumstance.

[airmj2123]

That is true, there is nothing wrong with leaving them in a puddle of poop instead of getting them off to a clean ship,

 

Does not matter anyway, they did not do it.

 

Would be nice to know if the lifeboats are real or just for show.

 

and don't say they would work if needed, because that was proven not to be true last January then needed them and they could not use them.

 

When a ship sinks and 32 out of 4200+ die, that is a sign that even when things go pretty bad, the safety systems work somewhat... Shallower water increases likelihood of rolling over but being closer to shore increases likelihood of surviving if not on a lifeboat.

[keystonemama]

How many listing ships have been on and How many has the USCG dealt with:rolleyes:

 

You tell me, last time I checked, I wasn't in the Coast Guard.

[toad455]

just curious, but I thought a ship this size couldn't dock in Mobile?? someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Poseidon Patty]

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8989617

Here's from our local Houston ABC affiliate.

[Blurgh]

When a ship sinks and 32 out of 4200+ die, that is a sign that even when things go pretty bad, the safety systems work somewhat... Shallower water increases likelihood of rolling over but being closer to shore increases likelihood of surviving if not on a lifeboat.

 

Well, it "sunk" in shallow water and near land.

 

If the Concordia bridge crew did something equally stupid in the middle of a body of water, the death toll would have been far, far higher.

[Jimmy Geegitz]

I hope someone that was an atual passenger posts on cruise critic.

[keystonemama]

If the listing gets to the point where people are in danger of falling over board or the ship is in danger of sinking, then they will do something about it... But it can list very far before anything needs to be done.

 

 

Thank you for an intelligent answer, it's what I understand the best lol, on here, some respond with degrading or know it all answers, I graduated,won awards in writing, hold a job, raised 2 kids, held a house down while hubby was in Iraq and have a son smart enough to become a doctor, but some want to treat you like you are stupid. Knowledge is power. There is never a stupid question. I wish people would just play nice.

I had thought I read somewhere if a ship tilts more than 40 -50 degrees she would have a hard time straightening herself. I will continue to pray for the safety of all those involved.

Happy Sailing,

[dwjoe]

The fact of the matter is they have had power to certain areas of the ship, and toilets in the majority of the ship are operational.

That's a stretch. In CCL's 6pm news conference today, Gary Cahill did not make that claim when he talked about bathrooms.

 

 

Nobody is pooping in bags and buckets

There have been multiple reports of this texted from pax onboard. I'll take their word over yours, since I assume you have not been on the vessel, and they have.

 

 

Are they eating fillet mignon? No but they are not starving.

 

I feel sorry for them seeing that their vacation was ruined, but some people need to get a grip, things could be ALOT worse. I mean come on, the bars are free and flowing and they get a few extra days on their cruise, beats any day at work!:rolleyes:

 

Rather glib dismissal of other people's suffering.

 

The bars in fact are not open.

 

If you had to poop in a bag and sleep outdoors b/c of the heat and stink in the cabins and have no hot food or showers you might start to like your job better.

[dockmaster]

Mobile looks like it is closer assuming the tow started 400miles south. Galveston is 600miles NW.

I wouldn't worry about the ship listing. It may be listing to one side a few deg but that's normal. Also remember, the ship is not drifting, its moving at 4-5 knots, which actually stabilizes it. A little rolling makes it easier to sleep!! .

The weather looks fine, less than 10 knots of wind and a few foot seas.

here a link to the weather buoys in the area:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/WestGulf.shtml

 

I can guarantee that the worst riding ship out there, between the Coast Guard cutter, the Triumph, and the 2 tugs is the Coast Guard cuttter!!:):):)

 

billd

[dwjoe]

just curious, but I thought a ship this size couldn't dock in Mobile?? someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It's a fair question. Someone asked the director of the Alabama Cruise Terminal in Mobile about that today at a press conference. She says the Triump is 40 feet longer than the last ship she had. She doesn't make a definitive statement either way. My guess is that it will fit at least on an emergency basis else they wouldn't be going there.

 

 

http://blog.al.com/live/2013/02/news_conference_qa_with_cruise.html

[airmj2123]

I had thought I read somewhere if a ship tilts more than 40 -50 degrees she would have a hard time straightening herself. I will continue to pray for the safety of all those involved.

Happy Sailing,

 

upper 40's is probably when you would start getting seriously worried.

[dockmaster]

It's a fair question. Someone asked the director of the Alabama Cruise Terminal in Mobile about that today at a press conference. She says the Triump is 40 feet longer than the last ship she had. She doesn't make a definitive statement either way. My guess is that it will fit at least on an emergency basis else they wouldn't be going there.

 

 

http://blog.al.com/live/2013/02/news_conference_qa_with_cruise.html

 

In my experience, having an extra 40 hanging out fore or aft isn't a show stopper. You dock the ship where the gangway goes . The rest of the ship just falls in place.

As far as length, Mobile has larger ships in the harbor all the time.

 

billd

[jonbgd]

You tell me, last time I checked, I wasn't in the Coast Guard.

My question was asked rhetorically since it sounded like you were disagreeing with USCG assesment

[dwjoe]

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8989617

Here's from our local Houston ABC affiliate.

Thanks for this.

 

This ABC affiliate cites a CCL email stating that toilets were offline for a period of time last night but technicians were able to get some of them back up this morning. Also that there is cold running water in the cabins and the poolside restaurant was open during the day.

 

Sorry I have to paraphrase due to CC rules against posting verbatim.

 

The above link posted by Poseidon Patty has the full CCL press conference video including questions from the press.

[broberts]

Funny how the coast guard said that was the easiest place to get too because of currents and wind direction. But I guess Carnival paid off the coast guard.

 

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The USCG is a proud and honorable branch of the US military. I find near libelous comments about their service in very poor taste.

[keystonemama]

My question was asked rhetorically since it sounded like you were disagreeing with USCG assesment

 

Well, to be fair and give you the benefit of the doubt, I reread my statement, but still do not see where I was disagreeing with anyone, just quoting the article and asking a legit question. Maybe it was those rolling eyes that got me. ;) Peace.