Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[wrp96]

They're wearing their robes.:p

[Sargent_Schultz]

No, the Jones act is intended to limit non-US flagged ships to encourage US flagged ships.

 

The item that prevents US flagged ships is that US flagged ships must meet US labor and safety laws such as minimum wage, employment taxes, OSHA, etc.

 

The first requirement to being US flagged is the ship is built in the US. If not, it takes an act of Congress for a waiver, which is what NCL did. They also had to set up a US Corporation - NCLA.

[shof515]

Carnival Cruise Lines

Carnival Triumph Arrives in Mobile:

 

Gerry Cahill, Carnival CEO said:

 

First, I'd like to start with saying how very thankful we all are that the ship is alongside and everyone is safe.

I am so appreciative of the efforts of everyone involved in bringing the Carnival Triumph safely to the Port of Mobile.

 

I want to thank the United States Coast Guard, The Port and City of Mobile, Customs and Border Protection, and the countless other parties who have been incredibly helpful throughout.

 

I’d also like to thank our shoreside teams for working around the clock to make this happen. And finally, I want to thank our crew for all they have done. We have seen and heard so many reports, online and in the media, from passengers praising the crew’s hard work.

 

I am now going onboard to talk with our guests and crew, as well as to help with getting our guests off the ship and on their way home. Thank you.

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[Hunwolf]

No, the Jones act is intended to limit non-US flagged ships to encourage US flagged ships.

 

The item that prevents US flagged ships is that US flagged ships must meet US labor and safety laws such as minimum wage, employment taxes, OSHA, etc.

 

So essentially it's the cheapness of Americans that prevent US flagged ships?

[wrp96]

I wonder how many pax have dead scooters to deal with now too? That is going to be fun to get those off the ship.

 

Watching an elderly woman push one off the ship now.

[keystonemama]

Haha, looks like the first 5 or so people are debarking in style with those CCL robes! lol

[RDC1]

So essentially it's the cheapness of Americans that prevent US flagged ships?

 

Labor costs probably double for a US flagged ship, compared to a non-US flagged ship. Basically minimum wage, overtime, employment taxes etc.

 

Not just Americans but all cruise ship passengers. It is a competitive disadvantage for a cruise ship to be us flagged.

[TPKeller]

Anyone know if they will be able to hook up shore power right away?

 

It would seem that could go a long way toward quickly improving conditions on board.

 

Theron

[RDC1]

Anyone know if they will be able to hook up shore power right away?

 

It would seem that could go a long way toward quickly improving conditions on board.

 

Theron

 

Most of the problem is probably power distribution related, not generation capacity. Shore power probably wont help most. The systems they did get working probably required bypassing normal circuits.

[broberts]

Anyone know if they will be able to hook up shore power right away?

 

It would seem that could go a long way toward quickly improving conditions on board.

 

Theron

 

Apparently not. Only emergency lighting seems to be on. I don't recall any mention of shore-side power during the press conferences. Perhaps there are issues with the electrical distribution system aboard Triumph that dictate against a hookup.

[BeagleOne]

The "news" types really need better researchers. Now wondering about the bathrobes...seems to me the information about the bathrobes on board could have been acquired awhile ago and conveyed to the reporter...at least he was honest enough to say that he would just be speculating and that's a bad thing.

[Blurgh]

No, the Jones act is intended to limit non-US flagged ships to encourage US flagged ships.

 

The item that prevents US flagged ships is that US flagged ships must meet US labor and safety laws such as minimum wage, employment taxes, OSHA, etc.

 

Yep, that's the main issue and why if they lifted the build requirements, it wouldn't change anything. The shipping corps just find a flag that'll accept what they're doing.

[TPKeller]

Most of the problem is probably power distribution related, not generation capacity. Shore power probably wont help most. The systems they did get working probably required bypassing normal circuits.

 

Apparently not. Only emergency lighting seems to be on. I don't recall any mention of shore-side power during the press conferences. Perhaps there are issues with the electrical distribution system aboard Triumph that dictate against a hookup.

Ah, yes, that makes much sense... thinking about what happened, seems unlikely that a fire would have taken out all the main engines, which would seem to support a theory that it is distribution, not generation.

 

Will be interesting to see what design changes come about from lessons learned.

 

Theron

[dockmaster]

Anyone know if they will be able to hook up shore power right away?

 

It would seem that could go a long way toward quickly improving conditions on board.

 

Theron

 

 

Dunno, but I would guess that some of the buss boards are fried from the fire, so that may not be possible anyway unless you could really isolate them.

 

That being said, im sure they would if possible, but there also moving the ship tomorrow to the yard.

 

billd

 

billd

[shof515]

according to cnn, carnival has asked people not to talk to press as they are leaving the ship and that a wavier is required for the buses

[broberts]

Does anyone know if it is likely that the USCG or BMA/NTSB will hold the entire ship for their investigations or will they just seal off the aft engine room?

[Rasvar]

Apparently not. Only emergency lighting seems to be on. I don't recall any mention of shore-side power during the press conferences. Perhaps there are issues with the electrical distribution system aboard Triumph that dictate against a hookup.

 

I don't think there is really provision at the piers to hook up power. It would have to be a very significant power hookup so they usually just depend on the keeping the generators on the ship running.

[Breezy72]

Haha, looks like the first 5 or so people are debarking in style with those CCL robes! lol

 

I wanted to comment on that! Something tells me that Carnival will not be seeking monetary reimbursements for those who are leaving with the robes! Free souvenir.:rolleyes:

[dwjoe]

Does anyone know if it is likely that the USCG or BMA/NTSB will hold the entire ship for their investigations or will they just seal off the aft engine room?

I think they have to wait for the Bahamas maritime authorities to take the lead. Haven't heard of USCG or NTSB boarding yet or taking action, wonder if anyone else has?

[dockmaster]

CNN had the interview with the ex Carnival employee. He said the crew makes about 17cents and hour and all there money comes from tips from the pax. Since Carnival picked up everyone's SS card....I hope the crew doesn't get hosed. That would be the real story the media needs to chase.

If that actually happens, I will be totally pissed.

 

billd

[wrp96]

I wanted to comment on that! Something tells me that Carnival will not be seeking monetary reimbursements for those who are leaving with the robes! Free souvenir.:rolleyes:

 

Hey they aren't from the gift shop or the casino, so definitely shouldn't be charged.;)

[RDC1]

The first requirement to being US flagged is the ship is built in the US. If not, it takes an act of Congress for a waiver, which is what NCL did. They also had to set up a US Corporation - NCLA.

 

Which they did specifically for Hawaii for three ships, now reduced to one due to lack of profitability. The one remaining has a substantially higher cost per day rate then other NCL cruises tend to have. Not sure if they are profitable today, but they certainly were not when they had three ships there.

 

As indicated by the NCL case cruise lines can get waivers to get around the construction location issues, only NCL has done so and as you indicated they had to comply with all of the US labor and safety laws. Those labor costs are the reason noone else has even tried.

[eg93]

My last cruise was in July. I feel for the people on that ship.....but this has strangely got cruising on my mind again. Hoping for deals in the coming weeks............!

[Aquahound]

Does anyone know if it is likely that the USCG or BMA/NTSB will hold the entire ship for their investigations or will they just seal off the aft engine room?

 

It will be USCG. It is already underway.

[Sargent_Schultz]

Does anyone know if it is likely that the USCG or BMA/NTSB will hold the entire ship for their investigations or will they just seal off the aft engine room?

 

Neither USCG nor NTSB have jurisdiction.