Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[gnocchi_mommy]

Thanks, I missed those posts. The ship would have been Elation.

 

no problem... I read abut 8 pages, then gave up and skipped to the last few lol

[pbsteve]

nope, they will next year.

[The Big Booper]

Don't have the facts in front of me but I believe Carnival has the largest number of ships in the cruise industry. Also their average age is the oldest. Large quantity and average quality = more potential for problems.

 

Not an acceptable excuse for having safety problems but a contributing factor that is making it hard for them to keep their name out of bad news.

 

Not true.

 

RCI has the oldest ships still in service, the Majesty and Monarch. Plus the Sovereign sailing in Spain under Pullmantur. All designed in the mid 1980's and built from 1988-1992.

 

The 6 Vision ships were built 1995-1998

 

The 5 Voyager ships were built 1999-2003

 

The 4 Radiance ships were built 2000-2003

 

All of these ships are 10 years old. or more.

 

And counting the 5 newer ships, the RCI fleet now totals 22, almost as many as Carnival.

 

So your theory falls apart based on quantity of ships and service age. The Carnival Destiny was built in 1996 and was the first newer and bigger ship built by Carnival, followed by the hordes from the Destiny, Conquest and now the larger Dream classes. Not to mention the near clones sailed by Costa including the ill-fated Concordia.

 

At the time of the Concordia sinking, there was a link to an independent web-site which had a listing of major cruise ship incidents such as breakdowns, fires, tiltings, groundings, etc. I counted 27 incidents of which 3 belonged to RCCL (the Monarch 1997 grounding in SXM and the two incidents with the =X= azipod failures) with the other 24 comprised of Carnival fires and power losses, Princess severe tilts (right, MM:eek:) and a couple Costa and HAL incidents. Not to mention a few with Cunard.

 

This is not just coincidence and shows a short coming of Carnival Plc when it comes to ship design, engineering, maintenance and crew training.

 

Carnival Plc and RCCL are holding companies. RCI and Carnival Corp. are operating companies.

[zactak]

Stewards have cards that let them into rooms in their section. Other personnel have cards with wider access.

 

Their question was directed towards if the key card access went down with the power outage. I think it's common knowledge that certain staff have key cards to cabins.

[tgunn1978]

Exactly, it amazes me how many people who are not there know exactly what happened, what caused it, who is to blame & every detail about what is going on on the ship every minute. I hope these people never serve on a jury.

 

I agree. Reading these posts have made me extra nervous about my upcoming May cruise onboard the Triumph. So much speculation, and so little actual facts. So I have decided to stop reading for now, and wait this thing out. In the meantime, my prayers are with the passengers and crew aboard the Triumph, and also many prayers for the families of those injured or killed on the Thomson Majesty cruise ship. Good night, CC.

[luv2kroooz]

I am one of those people. I will be sailing on Carnival in 12 days and I can't wait!!

No one is in danger right now. They have food and drink. They have 3 extra days to sit on the Lido looking at the beautiful ocean. Carnival is compensating them very, very well. A bad day at sea is better than a good day at work, cold and snow. Crap happens. Just go with it.

 

 

Very, very well? You most certainly can't be serious....this ship is adrift at sea operating on emergency power. Restrooms aren't functioning, there is no power to prepare hot food, no power to refrigerate food, no lights at night, and no air conditioning to cool off after sitting on Lido deck for 3 days in the blazing Caribbean sun. What a short sighted approach. Put yourself in the passengers shoes and pray that they are off this vessel as quickly as possible.

[MrPete]

Real glad no serious injuries reported.

 

I've been wondering if the deployment of the fire suppression system and not the actual fire contributed to the loss of propulsion. Does anyone know what type of fire suppression might be deployed in a Triumph engine room?

 

No clue, but what I do remember from the Splendor fire was it got out that something like the instructions the ship was supposed to follow was for the wrong class ship, and I never saw a follow up to that. And the location of "things" were not listed correctly.

 

Crickettes.

[MrPete]

Am I wrong in my thoughts, but wasn't the Concordia disaster the fault of the CAPTAIN? That was not CCL's fault....I might be wrong (I am super sure if I am someone will correct me).:eek:

 

Also to whoever posted about the ship apparently listing.... may I ask where you got that information from ?

 

Not CCL but C Corp. Last I saw, many head honchos were named in a lawsuit promoting these "salutes". Even the "captain" has stated he was encouraged in the salutes.

 

All while Micky tweeted about his Heat.

[MrPete]

They've had fires on Ecstasy and Tropacale not to mention the fires they've had on their Princess line. Not sure if they owned Cunard back during the Norway incident. I don't think age of ship is the biggest factor here.

 

Not sure what you're getting at, but Norway was NCL.

[MrPete]

We were due to sail on the Norway a month after the fire. When we heard of the fire it was scary. Glad we were not on it when it happened.

 

 

I wonder if anyone knows if anyone would have loved to have been on that one, all for another free cruise? :rolleyes:

 

The smell, no food, no water, no toilet, the alleged listing, the rocking.

 

Double :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[MrPete]

Ridiculous post!

 

This is happening far to often in the Carnival Fleet. Instead of blindly defending the corporation, real questions need to asked and answered regarding passenger safety.

 

Has Carnival scrimped on engineering and safety issues as they have cut back on entertainment and food?

 

Have officers and crewmen received the best training even if it costs more?

 

Carnival Corporation has created an environment and reputation of providing the cheapest cruise possible. The question is what does this imply regarding passenger comfort and safety?

 

If you think that was ridiculous, head over to the JH FB page. The Carnival customer is applauding Carnival, post after post.

[MrPete]

I am one of those people. I will be sailing on Carnival in 12 days and I can't wait!!

No one is in danger right now. They have food and drink. They have 3 extra days to sit on the Lido looking at the beautiful ocean. Carnival is compensating them very, very well. A bad day at sea is better than a good day at work, cold and snow. Crap happens. Just go with it.

 

Actually, all that would tell me is it's time to look for a better job.

 

And you will find out quickly how often THAT happens on a ship without working terlots.

[MrPete]

That may be totally true. I don't know.

 

But I will assume that some of those (who've not yet reached your own Diamond status) would be bummed to learn that the rules clearly state that any free/gratis sailings do not earn any VIFP points. So this one can be erased from the loyalty points books.

 

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I wonder how many CCL customers set sail now hoping for a breakdown or a fire on board, so that they can get 2 free cruises in exchange?

[MrPete]

I just went on Carnival's website and did a mock booking and the next sailing that comes up for the Triumph is March 21st. That is my sailing. I pray it will be fixed by then. We have had this trip planned for over a year for my daughter and her friends for a senior spring break trip. On the other hand, I want them to take their time to fix the problem correctly because next time it could be so much worse if there were another fire. I am praying for all those on the ship now.

 

Just a word of caution. The Splendor didn't sail a full month after thay said it would be sailing, so you may want to have a backup plan.

 

But keep your fingers crossed.

[nydney1]

According to the 7:30 PM press release the ship was going to be towed into port in Mexico and transportation was going to be arranged by Carnival.

 

What happens to all the people who sailed on borth certificates or Passport cards?

[mld1950]

According to the 7:30 PM press release the ship was going to be towed into port in Mexico and transportation was going to be arranged by Carnival.

 

What happens to all the people who sailed on borth certificates or Passport cards?

 

That is a good question. We had some people get off because she fail on the cruise and did not have a passport, it took them hours to clear customs in Atlanta to get back to New Orleans.

[Blurgh]

If you think that was ridiculous, head over to the JH FB page. The Carnival customer is applauding Carnival, post after post.

 

Eh, it's par for the course. The reports of problems on the boat leading up to this is troubling. And while it's February, so it's not like it's ghastly hot down there, being stuck on a barely functioning boat is not a party. Well, they may make it a party to keep people from going nuts, but I don't think that offsets the stench of crap everywhere and banana and spam dinners.

 

You can't say anything that's seen as critical. I went on a cruise on the Pride in 2011, and on the overnight of our last sea day, we plowed into the sweet spot of some really nasty seas. 30 foot +, I won't be melodramatic and overexaggerate it, it was more than 30, but we'll say 30 for arguments sake.

 

Plowing into it at 18-20 knots on autopilot. Front of the ship was damaged, lights were flickering, and the poor dancers lost everything when the front took on water. Luckily, when the captain took control and physically drove the boat, we got out of the mess and that was that.

 

BUT... how do you plow into the middle of awful seas overnight on autopilot?

Any goofball with computer access can go on NOAA wavewatch and see where the worst potential seas are.

 

Funny enough, that night, alot of the senior bridge crew was hanging out at the bar having drinks.

 

I brought this up as an observation (I didn't want anything, we got an extra day out of it, which was very pleasant, and I just chalk the whole thing up as an "experience") and people here went nuts, with the usual "hey, it's better than what you would be doing otherwise" stuff.

 

But hey, then what, 6-8 weeks later the Concordia autopiloted itself into oblivion while the Captain was goofing off. Go figure.

[nbsjcruiser]

Not true.

 

RCI has the oldest ships still in service, the Majesty and Monarch. Plus the Sovereign sailing in Spain under Pullmantur. All designed in the mid 1980's and built from 1988-1992.

 

The 6 Vision ships were built 1995-1998

 

The 5 Voyager ships were built 1999-2003

 

The 4 Radiance ships were built 2000-2003

 

All of these ships are 10 years old. or more.

 

And counting the 5 newer ships, the RCI fleet now totals 22, almost as many as Carnival.

 

So your theory falls apart based on quantity of ships and service age. The Carnival Destiny was built in 1996 and was the first newer and bigger ship built by Carnival, followed by the hordes from the Destiny, Conquest and now the larger Dream classes. Not to mention the near clones sailed by Costa including the ill-fated Concordia.

 

At the time of the Concordia sinking, there was a link to an independent web-site which had a listing of major cruise ship incidents such as breakdowns, fires, tiltings, groundings, etc. I counted 27 incidents of which 3 belonged to RCCL (the Monarch 1997 grounding in SXM and the two incidents with the =X= azipod failures) with the other 24 comprised of Carnival fires and power losses, Princess severe tilts (right, MM:eek:) and a couple Costa and HAL incidents. Not to mention a few with Cunard.

 

This is not just coincidence and shows a short coming of Carnival Plc when it comes to ship design, engineering, maintenance and crew training.

 

Carnival Plc and RCCL are holding companies. RCI and Carnival Corp. are operating companies.

 

Got a link to this website by any chance?

[ItsAllAboutTheSass]

I am going to start packing a head lamp and MREs on future CCL cruises.

[deborahjo]

I wonder if anyone knows if anyone would have loved to have been on that one, all for another free cruise? :rolleyes:

 

The smell, no food, no water, no toilet, the alleged listing, the rocking.

 

Double :rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

It was first cruise scheduled for DH and kids. Made them nervous about cruising but has not stopped them.

 

Yes the conditions would have been terrible as I am sure they are getting on this ship. tri

[pe4all]

My thoughts are with the passengers and crew on the ship now. I also hope that future cruisers realize they should always pack at least a week more perscription meds (not including travel days to and from their destination) than they ever think they'll need. I know my family would be in extreme trouble if dd didn't have his heart med, and dd didn't have her seizure meds - even for one day. I always pack meds for at least 7 more days - and then even throw in a few more - just in case.

[CdrescherRBL152]

Very generous? Isn't this the minimum that Carnival should do? I mean people on the current cruise are going to miss flights and have unplanned time away from work - which will cost them either more vacation time or lost wages. I applaud Carnival for doing exactly what it should be doing. Quite frankly, it should be extending the same offer to those in transit for the upcoming cruise that will not be departing on time, if it departs at all. I'm sorry, I would not describe the compensation as "very generous".

 

 

Would say it is more then they had to do. Passangers currently on the ship are getting, a full refund, travel expenese, Future credit equal to what they paid plus reimbursement for all non gift shop or casino purchaes.

 

Next cruise cancallled. Those passanagers are getting a full refund, reimbursement for non feundable travel expenes plus 25% off a 3 to 5 day cruise.

 

Granted having your vacation ruinned like this is horrable but Carnival could have eassly had said we will refund 2 days and travel to those on board, and monies paid to Carnival for the cancalled cruises.

[matj2000]

Isn't Carnival the cruiseline that was dumping all their trash in the ocean?

[gfh77665]

If you think that was ridiculous, head over to the JH FB page. The Carnival customer is applauding Carnival, post after post.

 

And here, the Carnival customers, er, uhm, cheerleaders are applauding Carnival, post after post. Go figure.

 

So much SPIN going on, I am surprised my computer monitor does not sling itself off my desk. :rolleyes:

[MADflyer]

Just as with the auto industry there has been consolidation within the ship-building industry. I think there are three companies now constructing all cruise ships.

 

That said, I think that there are four or five engine companies involved and each ship has specifications (options) added per the organization ordering the ships.

 

Passengers see the revitalizations of the current 18 selected RCCI ships as cosmetic, but they are really doing mechanical work and updating technology substantially. They are making the ships more cost efficient and meeting environmental standards that maybe do not exist yet, but are in the works in many parts of the world.

 

Both Azamara ships just were completely re-fitted in October and December as well.

 

Just as a BMW, Audi or Volvo is not the same as a Fiat, these cruise ships do have slight variations in quality, I would assume. I have no facts, just the knowledge that they are assembled under varied circumstances.