RCCL plans 250.000 ton ship

[Dolphin-dan]

That is gonna be cool. I think a ship that big will have to be tendered every were it goes except at its home port but that won't bother me!

[Cruising89143]

That is gonna be cool. I think a ship that big will have to be tendered every were it goes except at its home port but that won't bother me!

 

Tendering 6000 passengers??? No thanks not for me.

[Dolphin-dan]

Tendering 6000 passengers??? No thanks not for me.

 

mmmmm maybe your right.

[hdawson]

It's not just getting on and off in the ship's home port. How many ports could efficiently handle disembarking that many people? And add that load to Grand CAyman with 8 other ships.

[mbisson]

On the plus side--- You will no longer need to worry about getting from the airport to the pier. I'm sure a ship this size will have it's own runway and your jumbo jet will be able to land directly on the ship. It'll be great!

 

-Monte

[GranysT]

OMG, this is just too too reminiscent of the early 1900's,when ship lines like Cunnard,and White Star Line,were all competing to build the biggest and fastest ship to cross the Atlantic. We all know,just how that little competetion turned out. This insanity has to stop somewhere. I pray to God,it doesn't take another major tragedy to stop it. :(

[Guest OBAYbee]

Much too large for my taste. That is more like a resort then a ship.

[PhoenixCruiser]

OMG, this is just too too reminiscent of the early 1900's,when ship lines like Cunnard,and White Star Line,were all competing to build the biggest and fastest ship to cross the Atlantic. We all know,just how that little competetion turned out. (

 

I don't know what you're referring to? Would you be kind enough to give us a refresher :) Thanks!

 

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[hdawson]

How do you spell T-I-T-A-N-I-C?

[PhoenixCruiser]

How do you spell T-I-T-A-N-I-C?

 

LOL, thanks, that was my first thought, but mid-read the year, I read 1990 :confused: Time to get my eyes checked I guess :o

 

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[VibeGuy]

The biggest tragedy of all would be letting Celine Dion sing about the resulting disaster. *shiver*

 

I have to say, I haven't sailed on the Voyager Class yet, as I'm really kind of Done with sun-and-pina colada cruising - it's not that I don't love it, it's just that I really only like Southern itineraries and living in Seattle makes San Juan a real schlepp. I loved the Radiance - my favorite ship because it feels like a ship and not quite so much the floating MGM Grand.

 

So, given that I don't want to be limited to the Caribbean, that means Panamax ships get my vote....but let's say we could do 250,000GRT.....

 

First off, she's going to be safe, and the USCG won't have much to do with it. The question will be the flag countries and the insurers. SOLAS is all well and good, but if a company wants to insure their ridiculously-spendy vessel, they have to meet the standards of the insurance syndicates. Ergo, safety has a financial incentive.

 

Second, I think that both construction techniques and metallurgy have advanced enough that we won't see Leo DiCaprio sinking into icy waters (damn). So let's not get hysterical. Besides, icebergs in the Caribbean? Only if that's some new frozen drink. We're not trying to ply the North Atlantic in winter.

 

So, Eagle-class is 136,000GRT, no? And about 1000' long? The Jahre Viking supertanker is about 260,000GRT and about 1500' long, and she's 20 years older than the Eagle class. Shipbuilding technology has advanced some......a few more gas turbines, a brace of Azipods....this certainly isn't outside the realm of conceivability....

 

The thing that I'm not sure about is the draft. Jahre Viking isn't just too big for the Panama Canal - it's too big for the Suez and too big for the English Channel (!). Cruise ships are traditionally shallow-drafted...where are you going to moor this beast?

 

As for tendering, it seems to me there's a tender option somewhere between chaos and luxe - what if there was a way to hide the tenders where the rudders would be (again, pods) - sort of like the sports platform on the Radisson Diamond? Steal a page from the UA terminal at ORD and make it a long escalator ride to get down there, with art and such....could be clever.

 

The big challenges would be provisions and fueling; that's where we'd need to see a lot more innovation - like conveyor systems that could move an entire containerful of skids into the freezers automatically, and automated cargo handling is a politcally touchy issue - stevedores still wield political power.

 

Eric, Not Sure He'd Book The First Sailing, But Maybe The Second....

[piercetc4]

We would sail on these ships without a doubt. Voyager class is our favorite class because of all the different things there are to do- I assume the larger the ship, the more things there are to enjoy about being on the ship- We did not feel the least bit crowded on a sold out adventure last sept- so we would love to sail on these large ships

[GranysT]

Vibeguy, It doesn't have to be an iceburg that causes a disaster. My point was that the ship lines were going crazy all trying to "outdo" each other and have the biggest,best,fastest. They got a little too big for their britches,and someone actually made the remark about the Titanic,that "even God himself couldn't sink that ship". Well, it was proven it Could and Did sink. I was merely remarking that this is all starting to sound way too remeniscent of that time. If we don't learn from past mistakes we are often condemned to repeat them.

[NormanW]

It's not the size of the ship, it's the size of the wave!

 

-Norman

[Guest Badgercruiser!]

I think it would be great. When is it scheduled to be out?

[snowbird1]

:rolleyes: Everyone have fun on it because to me that isn't even a ship at that point and it doesn't interest me. :D Can you imagine what the luggage area would look like after you got off the ship! As of now I haven't even been on one of the 138,000 ton ships although I will try one someday.

[HighLife]

...it's too big for the Suez and too big for the English Channel (!).

 

no sh!t? wow!

 

I seem to remember readin in Popular Science (or Mechanics) a couple years back about a mega ship that would be so big a 737 could land on it (really) It would be so big that it would cruise around the world, non-stop following the nice weather. They were going to sell condos/timeshares on it(!)

[LLM]

All I can say is holy $hip! ......But I'm game!

 

Lisa

[Lou_70]

OMG, this is just too too reminiscent of the early 1900's,when ship lines like Cunnard,and White Star Line,were all competing to build the biggest and fastest ship to cross the Atlantic. We all know,just how that little competetion turned out. This insanity has to stop somewhere. I pray to God,it doesn't take another major tragedy to stop it. :(

 

 

Who types this stuff?? My GOD competition is what makes growth and technology. If there was no competition to make something better/faster/larger and more efficient we would all be sitting in England or whatever our ancestors countries are with torches hunting for food with sticks.

 

The Titanic did not crash because of competetion, it crashed because they IGNORED warnings about icebergs in the area, and had no binoculars in the view tower. They were not trying to set a speed record like it says in the movie. They all knew the competetion had faster ships. Someone please read real history not Hollywood history

The reason why Titanic was such a TRAGEDY is because of no one improving safety standards, just like in the early days airmen would not wear parachutes because they believed that if you wore a parachute you were hexing yourself and saying the plane was not safe.

 

I guess it was also a stupid idea also to put seatbelts in cars, since in the early 50's they were non existant. and that idiot who invented shoulder harnesses in seat belts.. man we should just stop trying to improve on anything and just hide in our bedrooms

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I am sorry for the negativity in this post, but the ignorance of some people just amaze me.

[Guest OBAYbee]

Interesting stuff on google.

 

Also making news is the Westin's America World City. Plans are under way to complete this eight-floor, three-tower hotel atop a 250,000-ton ship. The floating hotel, resort, and convention center will be one of the largest cruise vessels ever built. With home ports in Port Canaveral, Florida, and Bayonne, New Jersey, America World City will serve primarily the east coast. Four 400-passenger catamarans will dock inside the ship's hull, enabling passengers to shuttle to any port where the ship is too large to dock. Westin's mega ship will also include a number of features to make it attractive to conventioneers, including rooms equipped with data ports and other business amenities, a global business center for executive training, and 100,000 square feet of meeting and exhibit space. Other features will include a Broadway-style theater, restaurants, nightclubs, a museum and planetarium, a sports complex, six swimming pools, shops and boutiques, a TV studio, and a casino.

 

Perhaps the biggest news about the America World City is that it will be the first passenger ship built and registered in the United States in nearly fifty years. Sailing under the American flag means the Westin will have to hire an all-American crew of 2,400. And the Westin hopes to build a similar ship to serve the West Coast and Hawaii.

 

http://www.cruise2.com/Megaship.html

 

http://www.cruise4.com/12000PassengerMegaship.html

[Guest OBAYbee]

Who types this stuff?? My GOD competition is what makes growth and technology. If there was no competition to make something better/faster/larger and more efficient we would all be sitting in England or whatever our ancestors countries are with torches hunting for food with sticks.

 

The Titanic did not crash because of competetion, it crashed because they IGNORED warnings about icebergs in the area, and had no binoculars in the view tower. They were not trying to set a speed record like it says in the movie. They all knew the competetion had faster ships. Someone please read real history not Hollywood history

The reason why Titanic was such a TRAGEDY is because of no one improving safety standards, just like in the early days airmen would not wear parachutes because they believed that if you wore a parachute you were hexing yourself and saying the plane was not safe.

 

 

I guess it was also a stupid idea also to put seatbelts in cars, since in the early 50's they were non existant. and that idiot who invented shoulder harnesses in seat belts.. man we should just stop trying to improve on anything and just hide in our bedrooms

.

 

 

I am sorry for the negativity in this post, but the ignorance of some people just amaze me.

 

 

I don't mean to interrupt, but I understood GranysT to imply the death toll numbers should an ACCIDENT occur as it did the Titanic could be devastating. While I might agree with you the comparison is probably tilted, I don't consider her ignorant for bringing that comparison to our attention at all. *sigh*

 

p.s. I am not used to defending another CC member, I just hate to see us go that low.

[Lou_70]

Sorry, I just really get bothered by naysayers and doommongers. There can be accidents anywhere at any time. 10 years ago the same people were worrying about the Voyager class ships with all the people on there.

 

People should embrace change and not be scared to death of it

 

 

Sorry Grannyt

[Thrawny]

Who types this stuff?? My GOD competition is what makes growth and technology. If there was no competition to make something better/faster/larger and more efficient we would all be sitting in England or whatever our ancestors countries are with torches hunting for food with sticks.

 

The Titanic did not crash because of competetion, it crashed because they IGNORED warnings about icebergs in the area, and had no binoculars in the view tower. They were not trying to set a speed record like it says in the movie. They all knew the competetion had faster ships. Someone please read real history not Hollywood history

The reason why Titanic was such a TRAGEDY is because of no one improving safety standards, just like in the early days airmen would not wear parachutes because they believed that if you wore a parachute you were hexing yourself and saying the plane was not safe.

 

I guess it was also a stupid idea also to put seatbelts in cars, since in the early 50's they were non existant. and that idiot who invented shoulder harnesses in seat belts.. man we should just stop trying to improve on anything and just hide in our bedrooms

.

 

 

I am sorry for the negativity in this post, but the ignorance of some people just amaze me.

 

It was proven that the binoculars are not used for spotting, they are used for examining. When looking for stuff on the horrizon, you use your naked eye because you have a better panaramic view, using binoculars would actualy slow your ability to spot something in the distance.

 

The reason the Titanic sank was poor desicion making and bad handling of ship. Also the hull of the ship was made of poor quality iron which allowed the ice berg to do more damage then it should have. The inability to save everyone aboard makes it a legendary tragedy.

[Lou_70]

agreed

[hdawson]

The larger the ship, the more passengers, the less personalized service and the lower quality galley output. Smaller ships mean you have an opportunity to meet fellow passengers and the crew. How many of us really need an inline skating track or bungee jumping at sea? Want a real bungee jump, head to that bridge in WV. As much as I like NASCAR, I hope there won't be a quarter mile NASCAR track on Freedom.