No more balcony smoking on Carnival

[pinotries]

I am so outraged at Carnival and Royal Caribbean for treating smokers like criminals with no rights. Guess that smoke floating in the air from a balcony is going to kill the people next door, right? I am a courteous smoker and never smoke in public places or my stateroom but being told I cannot smoke on my private balcony or outside is ridiculus. Good for people for not smoking, it is not healthy. Much better to stuff yourself with food at every opportunity and drink yourself into a stupor but God forbid you are exposed to a puff of smoke floating in the air. If you don't like smoking in the casino, don't go! There are lots of other places on the ship. We are avid cruisers but will NOT be going on Carnival or RC in the future to just be treated as unwanted. Will be moving our business to NCL where they actually believe in equal rights it would seem. All you nonsmokers, enjoy all the kids running rampant and your buffets. You win!:mad:

[Gypsywych]

A little consideration goes a long way (in both directions). To each his own. Non-smoker here and I hardilly welcome RCCL and CCL smokers to NCL. Don't blow smoke in my face and I won't chew with my mouth open in the restaurants...

 

Deal! :)

[triptolemus]

Out of Curiousity?

Would you walk up to someone you don't know and tell him he needs Jesus?

 

No. Because they don't.

 

Besides, Jesus doesn't stink up my balcony.

Edited July 10, 2014 by triptolemus

[Gypsywych]

No. Because they don't.

 

Besides, Jesus doesn't stink up my balcony.

 

 

Neither would an obese person, yet you'd still be rude enough to give them a website on weight loss?

[BaseballMomof4]

A little consideration goes a long way (in both directions). To each his own. Non-smoker here and I hardilly welcome RCCL and CCL smokers to NCL. Don't blow smoke in my face and I won't chew with my mouth open in the restaurants...

 

Done! Coming over and bring the 5 others in my family that cruise with me and all of my cruise dollars! Woohoo!!

[triptolemus]

Neither would an obese person, yet you'd still be rude enough to give them a website on weight loss?

 

I'm really enjoying the comparisons between smoking and obesity and the apparent denial or avoidance of the fact that both are pretty much equally unhealthy. The only compelling difference is that one has the potential to physically affect others, while the other does not.

 

I honestly don't care what you or anyone else chooses to do. I don't really even like people. But when what they do affects others (no matter the perceived extent of that effect) then that's a problem. To deny this, or couch it in some silly argument about someone being rude is disingenuous.

[Gypsywych]

Done! Coming over and bring the 5 others in my family that cruise with me and all of my cruise dollars! Woohoo!!

 

I'm with ya!

We canceled 3 balconies X 3 cruises with Carnival.

We had already been looking at NCL so this just sealed it

[culinarc]

:eek:

I am so outraged at Carnival and Royal Caribbean for treating smokers like criminals with no rights. Guess that smoke floating in the air from a balcony is going to kill the people next door, right? I am a courteous smoker and never smoke in public places or my stateroom but being told I cannot smoke on my private balcony or outside is ridiculus. Good for people for not smoking, it is not healthy. Much better to stuff yourself with food at every opportunity and drink yourself into a stupor but God forbid you are exposed to a puff of smoke floating in the air. If you don't like smoking in the casino, don't go! There are lots of other places on the ship. We are avid cruisers but will NOT be going on Carnival or RC in the future to just be treated as unwanted. Will be moving our business to NCL where they actually believe in equal rights it would seem. All you nonsmokers, enjoy all the kids running rampant and your buffets. You win!:mad:

 

Nothing like feeling sorry for yourself! If you smoke in the USA you are in the vast minority. You are making a conscious decision to be a second class citizen. It's not only some peoples opinion on smoking that hurts your cause, now there is a strong government push for people to quit. Like all smokers like to speak of their right to smoke which is true, public and private places have decided they have the right to tell you where on their property you have the right to pollute. This will continue and likely push smokers into smaller spaces. All the people that come on CC and talk of punishing CCL or RCL for their policies by changing lines are quite amusing. :D In a couple more years you will be out of cruise lines to punish because they will all go that way. Oh and by the way if you think by taking your business elsewhere your going to hurt them the joke is on you again. They will succeed and move forward with or without you. We all will for that matter.

[gooch47]

I have all the sympathy in the world for smokers who want to quit but can't. My dad died of congestive heart failure and emphysema, at least affected by if not caused by many, many years of smoking. He knew it was killing him, but he just could not quit.

 

It is a problem that we just can't resolve here, but I still have as much right not to be affected by someone's cigarette smoke as they have the right to smoke. Actually, it is a problem that can't be resolved at all.

[BaseballMomof4]

I'm with ya!

We canceled 3 balconies X 3 cruises with Carnival.

We had already been looking at NCL so this just sealed it

 

Yeah! We sailed the Epic in 2013. I will say this - the pay extra restaurants were AMAZING! I wasn't the biggest fan of the layout of the balcony room, but then again - I had three teenage boys with me so I am not sure any room would have handled that! :eek:

 

I am really looking forward to checking out the other ships - it's like a whole new candy store ;)

[BaseballMomof4]

I have all the sympathy in the world for smokers who want to quit but can't. My dad died of congestive heart failure and emphysema, at least affected by if not caused by many, many years of smoking. He knew it was killing him, but he just could not quit.

 

It is a problem that we just can't resolve here, but I still have as much right not to be affected by someone's cigarette smoke as they have the right to smoke. Actually, it is a problem that can't be resolved at all.

 

Well, this I can offer - if you are next to me and my smoking is irritating you, I will do my best to be respectful if you say something. ;)

[Tyron]

I applaud the move by CCL & RCI.

Smoking is a choice made by the smoker!

While some of adamantly claim you're not

offensive smokers there are a LOT who are

thus the reason for the change.

 

I'm sure CCL & RCI thought long and

hard before making this decision.

 

They didn't say you couldn't smoke

just not on your balcony/stateroom in which it

can and does interfere with someone

else's cruise.

[margincall]

i will say it again.This thread has turned into a mostly us against them sort of like congress and talk radio lately.

 

nobody will give thoughts to compromise in this situation.

 

As far as rights,both the 80 pct who don't smoke and the 20 pct who do have rights-so instead of attacks-can anyone suggest compromise??

[gooch47]

Well, this I can offer - if you are next to me and my smoking is irritating you, I will do my best to be respectful if you say something. ;)

 

But how do I know you will react like that? I'm a wimp when it comes to confrontations.

[gemsm]

I'm not sure I believe this. Although I used to smoke, I get an immediate headache if I am in a smokey area. Obivously not from someone smoking one cigarette - I'm talking like a bar (back when it was allowed), or someplace like that.

 

Sorry to hear that but you still weren't allergic to smoke. People may be allergic to the ingredients in cigarettes causing the smoke though. Most people who claim they are "allergic to smoke" also say they have no problems being around a campfire.

[BaseballMomof4]

But how do I know you will react like that? I'm a wimp when it comes to confrontations.

 

I know. Sadly it is true. But I think the majority of smokers are pretty understanding that it is unpleasant for others.

 

I tell my kids, life is a mirror - give nice, get nice - unfortunately not everyone thinks that way.

[gemsm]

I worked for an ENT and I assure you, they will tell you no such thing. Rhinitis is an inflammation of the nasal passages causing the symptoms most associate with a cold. There is both "allergic" and "non allergic" rhinitis. The allergic type is caused by pollens, mold, etc while the "non allergic" can be triggered by other irritants such as cigarette smoke, perfumes, etc. I know I get that response in a very smokey room, as well as a raspy throat.

 

And I know it may be hard to believe, but smoking is also associated with chronic otitis media ( inflammation, fluid accumulation and infection of the middle ear ) in infants and young children. The first thing our doctors always told the families of those with chronic middle ear fluid and infections was not to smoke, or not to smoke in the house or car around these kids.

 

As long as there are smokers and non smokers in the world we will have to coexist. If you want me to respect your right to smoke within the boundaries set out by cities or cruise ships, then smokers must also respect the rights of non smokers and realize that it is just not a philosophical disagreement that smokers and non smokers have. Some non smokers have health issues which can be exacerbated by contact with smoke. I would hope we could all be respectful of each other.

 

ROFLMAO -- You just said it yourself...NON ALLERGIC Rhinitis. That means you aren't allergic. Wow scares me some of the intelligence of people that work with doctors.

[pinotries]

I did suggest a compromise but you are right, nobody wants to hear it because the "us against them mentality" gets in the way. If the cruise lines would carve out a portion of the balcony rooms to allow for smokers they will all be grouped together which means nobody would be offended. The balcony is my only complaint to the rule, all other places are banned other than the casino and I have no issue with this policy.

[gemsm]

Yeah...funny thing is....I developed asthma as an adult do to my allergy to cigarette smoke...of which I was tested for by an allergist! So go ahead and roll on the floor laughing your butt off...but be sure to check the literature (and I'm not talking about Wikipedia) before you post such nonsense.

 

http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=8&sub=17&cont=179

 

I apologize to all the other CC members who have posted previously. I try not to give in to such nonsensical posts! I try to be positive as in my earlier post - I just couldn't help it this time! :o

 

You aren't allergic to the smoke...You are allergic to an ingredient in the cigarette causing the smoke. Do you have issues being around a diesel truck? A campfire? A coal plant? Oh and by the way...Your stupid link says nothing about smoke causing allergies...Just the consequences to children with allergies. Might wanna switch doctors if he told you that you are allergic to smoke he isn't worth your spit.

Edited July 10, 2014 by gemsm

[mpk218]

OT - but you booked the Getaway!! I thought you liked the smaller ships? You will have a great time though.

 

I know . I just had to try one of those H6 AFT penthouse .. If you look below Im also booked on the Sun ;)

[BaseballMomof4]

I did suggest a compromise but you are right, nobody wants to hear it because the "us against them mentality" gets in the way. If the cruise lines would carve out a portion of the balcony rooms to allow for smokers they will all be grouped together which means nobody would be offended. The balcony is my only complaint to the rule, all other places are banned other than the casino and I have no issue with this policy.

 

I totally agree. If they had a section carved out the smokers would be content and any non-smokers booking near those rooms would be forewarned that it was a smoking area and could either move to another area of the ship if it is disturbing to them or book if they don't mind.

 

That would be a much better solution than entirely alienating a percentage of the customer base. I don't care if it is as low as 10% or as high as 34% you really should not ever tell a customer tough luck because they will take their business elsewhere.

 

And I also totally agree about the interior sections of the ship. I have no issue not smoking in the dining room or lounges. If I want a smoke inside I can go to the casino.

[CasinoCruzGirl]

I did suggest a compromise but you are right, nobody wants to hear it because the "us against them mentality" gets in the way. If the cruise lines would carve out a portion of the balcony rooms to allow for smokers they will all be grouped together which means nobody would be offended. The balcony is my only complaint to the rule, all other places are banned other than the casino and I have no issue with this policy.

 

 

No clue why one of these cruiselines don't try it. I think if they did all this back and forth would be over with and everyone could be happy.

 

 

 

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[gemsm]

:eek:

 

Nothing like feeling sorry for yourself! If you smoke in the USA you are in the vast minority. You are making a conscious decision to be a second class citizen. It's not only some peoples opinion on smoking that hurts your cause, now there is a strong government push for people to quit. Like all smokers like to speak of their right to smoke which is true, public and private places have decided they have the right to tell you where on their property you have the right to pollute. This will continue and likely push smokers into smaller spaces. All the people that come on CC and talk of punishing CCL or RCL for their policies by changing lines are quite amusing. :D In a couple more years you will be out of cruise lines to punish because they will all go that way. Oh and by the way if you think by taking your business elsewhere your going to hurt them the joke is on you again. They will succeed and move forward with or without you. We all will for that matter.

 

If there was a strong push by government to quit then they would outlaw tobacco, make it illegal, and require everyone that currently smokes to get free cessation drugs. That isn't happening because the government makes too much money off of tobacco taxes and big pharmacutical lobbies too hard for their cessation drugs that only work 3% of the time

[mpk218]

Because on the internet, everyone's a doctor!

 

 

Not the internet , genius .. But conversations over the years with the 8 medical doctors in our extended family ..

But your kitty cat picture sure makes your case ...:rolleyes:

[BaseballMomof4]

No clue why one of these cruiselines don't try it. I think if they did all this back and forth would be over with and everyone could be happy.

 

 

 

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I totally agree. And whichever company did do that would gain a lot of business ;)