caribill Posted December 6, 2014 #76 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Ship runs on oil... you can not fully burn the exhaust of carbon particles. ( matter can not be created or destroyed it only changes form. Whether turbines or Diesel/electric The ship also creates even in calm air a wake of air the tumbles down the ships sides to the stern that is a low pressure or small vacuum that sucks everything in Look at the rear window of a van or back of a semi-truck.... Race cars draft on each others aft.... The only option is switch to using nuclear reactors which run clean... The 16 other Princess ships also run on oil but do not have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted December 6, 2014 #77 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I agree, its a design issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasa1974 Posted December 8, 2014 #78 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I would have to go back and read Dave's "Everything Royal" thread to be 100% sure. But I thought he posted he had heard that when they did wind tunnel testing it was without MUTS. Something that large aft of the funnels could change wind characteristics and might have more of an influence then the builders expected. I do know it was discussed on his thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Av8tor Posted December 8, 2014 #79 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I would have to go back and read Dave's "Everything Royal" thread to be 100% sure. But I thought he posted he had heard that when they did wind tunnel testing it was without MUTS. Something that large aft of the funnels could change wind characteristics and might have more of an influence then the builders expected. I do know it was discussed on his thread. MUTS is forward of the funnels and it still has an effect on the flow!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted December 9, 2014 #80 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Lanwood. We decided like you did and changed our booking from an owner's suite to a penthouse suite on the Royal next year. I didn't want to risk that extra money for a problem that may or may not be fixed. The only problem is the balcony on all the Penthouse Suites is so small as to be unusable all the time. At least the balcony on the Owners Suites maybe usable some of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserkenn Posted December 9, 2014 #81 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Good point. To me, it means that there is nothing like the aft facing suites on the Grand Class ships:). Heavenly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango223 Posted December 9, 2014 #82 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The only problem is the balcony on all the Penthouse Suites is so small as to be unusable all the time. At least the balcony on the Owners Suites maybe usable some of the time. Hi RocketMan, the Penthouse suites are not aft suites but more towards the center. Do they get soot? I've only saw 1 comment about mid ship balconies with soot. Please advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted December 9, 2014 #83 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hi RocketMan, the Penthouse suites are not aft suites but more towards the center. Do they get soot? I've only saw 1 comment about mid ship balconies with soot. Please advise. I know the penthouse suites are along the sides of the ship and not on the stern. I don't think they get soot but that is beside the point that I consider the penthouse suite balconies too small to be useful. IMO, you have a choice of a penthouse suite balcony that is so small that it is unusable all the time, or an owners suite which may not be usable some of the time. At least with an owners suite you have a chance for a usable balcony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango223 Posted December 9, 2014 #84 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I know the penthouse suites are along the sides of the ship and not on the stern. I don't think they get soot but that is beside the point that I consider the penthouse suite balconies too small to be useful. IMO, you have a choice of a penthouse suite balcony that is so small that it is unusable all the time, or an owners suite which may not be usable some of the time. At least with an owners suite you have a chance for a usable balcony. Ah....I missed your point the first time. Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted April 1, 2015 #85 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Was on Regal sailing of 8 March and experienced exactly zero soot issues. We were in Owners Suite on Dolphin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistyann Posted April 1, 2015 #86 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Was on Regal sailing of 8 March and experienced exactly zero soot issues. We were in Owners Suite on Dolphin. Wow, great to hear!! We'll be in an Aft deluxe on Baja in just 3 days and were a bit worried about the soot. This is our first Aft balcony cabin on ANY ship :eek: Can't wait!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted April 1, 2015 #87 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Wow, great to hear!! We'll be in an Aft deluxe on Baja in just 3 days and were a bit worried about the soot. This is our first Aft balcony cabin on ANY ship :eek: Can't wait!! I don't believe that anything in particular has been done to address the issue, at least on the Regal. Just because one cabin did not expereince any soot does not mean its been resolved. On the Regal in November there was plenty near the aft dipping pool. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellon1 Posted April 1, 2015 #88 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm surprised the environmentalists have not gotten on Princess for the pollution to the ocean and danger to living in water. Maybe that will be what it takes for Princess to rectify the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmckm Posted April 2, 2015 #89 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm surprised the environmentalists have not gotten on Princess for the pollution to the ocean and danger to living in water. Maybe that will be what it takes for Princess to rectify the situation. All the ships put out the same. Some of the newer ones are better, its just the design that the soot goes behind the ship and into the water. They goofed and it hits the back of the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted April 2, 2015 #90 Share Posted April 2, 2015 All the ships put out the same. Some of the newer ones are better, its just the design that the soot goes behind the ship and into the water. They goofed and it hits the back of the ship. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nwalins Posted April 2, 2015 #91 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Will be on board Regal for the April 5th sailing in E731 Aft. Will respond on return if we had any soot issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Judge Posted April 2, 2015 #92 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) We were on the March 22, 2015 sailing in R735. We really enjoyed the large, quiet balcony, but there was soot. One day a lot and one day none and just a little on the other days. We put towels on the chairs and flip flops on our feet. Riviera deck is high and totally exposed. I will try to attach a couple of pictures. One is of the table top with the soot on the bad day. It was not so bad that we didn't enjoy our wake views. Edited April 2, 2015 by Cruising Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Judge Posted April 2, 2015 #93 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) http://boards.cruisecritic.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=345112&stc=1&d=1427976952 Edited April 2, 2015 by Cruising Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMR123 Posted April 5, 2015 #94 Share Posted April 5, 2015 We also were on the March 22nd sailing in cabin E729. We had soot everyday in varying degrees. Our cabin steward only cleaned it if we asked. We kept cheap flip flops from Old Navy in front of the slider and slipped them on whenever we went onto the deck and back off again just inside so we wouldn't track any into the cabin. We also put towels on the chairs. We were prepared to have soot so it didn't bother us at all. The view was spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted April 5, 2015 #95 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Thats really too bad one has to deal with that though. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-mattox Posted April 5, 2015 #96 Share Posted April 5, 2015 We also were on the March 22nd sailing in cabin E729. We had soot everyday in varying degrees. Our cabin steward only cleaned it if we asked. We kept cheap flip flops from Old Navy in front of the slider and slipped them on whenever we went onto the deck and back off again just inside so we wouldn't track any into the cabin. We also put towels on the chairs. We were prepared to have soot so it didn't bother us at all. The view was spectacular. You took it very well; but I think it's outrageous to pay that much for a wonderful stateroom and balcony and then have to deal with that. I did it once--never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted April 5, 2015 #97 Share Posted April 5, 2015 On Dolphin Deck on Regal 8 March sailing. Soot was a complete non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Fan Cruiser Posted April 5, 2015 #98 Share Posted April 5, 2015 After experiencing the soot problem first hand on the Royal I will never book an aft cabin again on this class of ship. We learned our lesson. And when we cruised the royal we couldn't even hang out by that aft dipping pool as the smell was absolutely awful. And we are usually happy-go-lucky cruisers not letting the little things bother us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Fan Cruiser Posted April 6, 2015 #99 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Correction. When we cruised the Regal the following year we could smell the soot by the aft pool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgirl543 Posted April 14, 2015 #100 Share Posted April 14, 2015 We've just been offered an upgrade. The choices are C514 Deck 10 (Caribe) or B616 Deck 11 (Baja). We have to make a decision ASAP. Pros - Cons anyone? Will we have a problem with soot on either of these? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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