wine in carry on??

[sparks1093]

And happy cruising to you.

 

Not trying to wind you up, and I've spouted enough of my own opinions. But I'd like to ask you a couple questions and get your thoughts because you've thought about this quite a bit:

 

--Are there situations where you would break what you consider to be a dumb rule? Or would you choose to remove yourself from the situation (assuming you could)?

 

--You are NCL CEO. What alcohol policy would you put in, as far as carry-on?

 

--Why do you think people are allowed to carry on soda (always), wine (for a fee), and never spirits?

 

Cheers.

 

Not wound up, I assure you:). I've broken my share of the rules in my day, hope I didn't give the impression that wasn't the case. I might intentionally break a dumb rule if I thought that by breaking the dumb rule I might be able to call attention to it and thereby provide a catalyst for change, but I would also recognize that I was doing something wrong and would be prepared to face the consequences of my actions. (Though I do try to avoid agreeing to do something and then choosing to do the opposite at a later date.)

 

If I were CEO I would strongly think about charging a fee for people to bring on their own liquor, something in the neighborhood of $25 to $30 a bottle, 1 bottle per cabin or some such.

 

The two reasons that come to mind are revenue protection and to reduce their liability if someone gets hurt because they were overserved (with revenue protection being the lead factor of course).

[Out to sea!]

I always find this comparison to stealing interesting. If one agrees with that, let me take it one step further.

 

PASSENGER A: Sneaks some booze onboard, and still spends a few hundred buck$$ at the bars.

 

PASSENGER B: Does not drink, and therefore NCL makes ZERO money from them at the Bars.

 

Which passenger is depriving the cruise line of the most money? And stealing?

 

Passenger A of course. There is no revenue requirement fro the cruise lines other than paying for your cruise fare and DSC (yes, I consider that a requirement). Therefore, Passenger B chooses not to drink and has not violated any rules. Who in their right mind could ever find fault with that. Now Passenger A, you are making the assumption that they are still buying alcohol at the bar. That's the first error because you have no proof of that. Even if you did, would they not be buying more if they had not smuggled? Second error is that Passenger A is voluntarily and knowingly violating the cruise contract which while it may or may not constitute stealing, it definitely shows a lack of integrity and honesty on the individual's part. Therefore, Passenger B is a law abiding passenger and Passenger A is a $)@*&%^$ (fill in your own expletive).

[Out to sea!]

I agree with you totally and I am amazed at the glee with which some here are quick to label some as thieves.

 

I wonder if any of them have ever put discount candy into their purses before taking their 4 kids to the movie rather than buy it at the concession, pay the exhorbitant mark up, and add $15 or $20 to the $ already spent to get in. It is against the theatre rules, but I'd bet the families do not consider it theft. Nor would I call my neighbor one, if she told me she did that.

 

And you have proof of this? I know because at the theater in the town I live in, it is not (verified with the manager) a violation to bring your own snacks in. It is discouraged but there is no written rule against it. Maybe you should check with your own theater before making such assumptions. Of course, you could also find a different rationalization than "other people do it so I'm going to as well".

[Out to sea!]

That's where your logic falls apart, your phrases in parentheses.

Why in every case is breaking the rules necessarily "doing something wrong"?

It's a stupid rule in my opinion.

There's no basis for it other than a money-grab.

It's not enough to stop me from cruising, so I'm going to ignore it.

 

I'll start paying NCL for corkage when I start paying a hotel for corkage if I bring a bottle of wine to my room.

 

If other sheeple feel good paying the corkage because they're proudly following a rule, they're welcome to do it.

 

Wow, just wow. No wonder this Earth is going to hell in a handbasket with thought and logic like that. :(

 

Your opinion is that it is a stupid rule. When you become CEO of a cruise line, your opinion of how a cruise line should operate may matter. Until that happens, your opinion on how a cruise line should operate doesn't matter. If you don't like the rules, cruise a different line. From what I've heard, you can bring all the alcohol you want onto a Disney cruise.

[Out to sea!]

You've done it again.

You've equated "breaking rule" (fact) with "wrong" (opinion)

 

History is littered with situations where breaking the rule was, in hindsight, actually opined to be the "right" thing to do. Regardless, whether something is "right" or "wrong" is merely an opinion.

 

If you happen to believe that every rule is "right", simply because it's been called a Rule, well, that's your prerogative. I happen to choose not to let rules I consider to be dumb apply to me.

 

Sorry, right and wrong are not opinions, they are based in fact. Try again.

 

No, a rule isn't right nor is it wrong, it is simply a rule. Following a rule you voluntarily agreed to follow is right and not following it is wrong.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Out to sea!

[sfaaa]

If you are too cheap to pay the $15 cocking fee, you shouldn't be cruising because it costs you $$$$ to go. Those who abuse the system are the ones ruining it for rule-abiding passengers. Get a grip please or just stay home.

[Shawnino]

If you are too cheap to pay the $15 cocking fee, you shouldn't be cruising because it costs you $$$$ to go. Those who abuse the system are the ones ruining it for rule-abiding passengers. Get a grip please or just stay home.

 

Ah, I'll bite. I'm hopeless.

 

1) Nobody said anything about not being able to afford corkage, did they?

 

2) By me bringing my own bottle of booze, how did I ruin your vacation? Are you upset that you didn't get to wait in line behind me to place your drink order? To make it up to you, you can wait in line behind me while we're waiting to be seated for dinner, how's that?

 

 

What's next? Banning playing cards from being brought aboard, or charging $15 to bring a deck aboard, because, well, if you want to play cards you really ought to be playing them in our casino at our odds?

[WolfRiver]

ah, i'll bite. I'm hopeless.

 

1) nobody said anything about not being able to afford corkage, did they?

 

2) by me bringing my own bottle of booze, how did i ruin your vacation? Are you upset that you didn't get to wait in line behind me to place your drink order? To make it up to you, you can wait in line behind me while we're waiting to be seated for dinner, how's that?

 

 

What's next? Banning playing cards from being brought aboard, or charging $15 to bring a deck aboard, because, well, if you want to play cards you really ought to be playing them in our casino at our odds?

 

+1

:-)

[BuffetPantsPls]

Ah, I'll bite. I'm hopeless.

 

1) Nobody said anything about not being able to afford corkage, did they?

 

2) By me bringing my own bottle of booze, how did I ruin your vacation? Are you upset that you didn't get to wait in line behind me to place your drink order? To make it up to you, you can wait in line behind me while we're waiting to be seated for dinner, how's that?

 

 

What's next? Banning playing cards from being brought aboard, or charging $15 to bring a deck aboard, because, well, if you want to play cards you really ought to be playing them in our casino at our odds?

 

to be fair,

 

corkage requires they bring you stemware, and cleaning it out afterwards and disposal of empty bottle, which would be in addition to what they normally do.

 

you bringing a deck of cards most probabyl means that you're not leaving anything behind that would be extra from what they would normally do.

 

as someone who likes to bring anywhere from 7-12 bottles on board (one can never bring too much champagne) I certainly don't like it but i somewhat understand.

[ColinIllinois]

If you are too cheap to pay the $15 cocking fee, you shouldn't be cruising because it costs you $$$$ to go. Those who abuse the system are the ones ruining it for rule-abiding passengers. Get a grip please or just stay home.

 

 

Goodness sakes, now there is a "cocking fee". Wow, that will cut down on the vacation memories.

[BuffetPantsPls]

From what I've heard, you can bring all the alcohol you want onto a Disney cruise.

 

 

is this really true?

 

because, I was planning a disney cruise next and would love to know.

 

queen mary lets you bring wine aboard, you just have to check with the beverage director that they dont carry the bottles on board.

 

i much prefer that policy. As a wine lover, there's only so much crappy over priced mondavi I can bother consuming.

[BuffetPantsPls]

Goodness sakes, now there is a "cocking fee". Wow, that will cut down on the vacation memories.

 

if you goto peking duck house in NYC midtown

 

if you bring a bottle in

 

they charge you a "cockage" fee

[conandrob240]

Please keep in mind that on Norwegian, at least in New York, they scan your bags before you get go to corckage table...

 

What does this mean in practical terms?

[conandrob240]

is this really true?

 

because, I was planning a disney cruise next and would love to know.

 

queen mary lets you bring wine aboard, you just have to check with the beverage director that they dont carry the bottles on board.

 

i much prefer that policy. As a wine lover, there's only so much crappy over priced mondavi I can bother consuming.

 

Disney does not have a restricted alcohol,policy. Bring whatever you want

[Out to sea!]

Ah, I'll bite. I'm hopeless.

 

1) Nobody said anything about not being able to afford corkage, did they?

 

2) By me bringing my own bottle of booze, how did I ruin your vacation? Are you upset that you didn't get to wait in line behind me to place your drink order? To make it up to you, you can wait in line behind me while we're waiting to be seated for dinner, how's that?

 

 

What's next? Banning playing cards from being brought aboard, or charging $15 to bring a deck aboard, because, well, if you want to play cards you really ought to be playing them in our casino at our odds?

 

It does not matter if it ruined someone else's vacation. It doesn't matter how many people are in line. Playing cards don't matter either. Those are all rationalizations to ease your troubled mind from the lack of integrity and honestly in knowingly breaking the rules.

[Out to sea!]

is this really true?

 

because, I was planning a disney cruise next and would love to know.

 

queen mary lets you bring wine aboard, you just have to check with the beverage director that they dont carry the bottles on board.

 

i much prefer that policy. As a wine lover, there's only so much crappy over priced mondavi I can bother consuming.

 

Yes it is.

 

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/planning-center/my-cruise-plans/faqs/preparing-for-your-cruise/

 

Q: May Guests bring alcohol onboard?

 

A: While adult Guests ages 21 and older may bring alcohol onboard, the following guidelines apply: Alcohol brought on board may not be consumed in any lounge or public area ...

[kentalope]

Sorry, right and wrong are not opinions, they are based in fact. Try again.

 

No, a rule isn't right nor is it wrong, it is simply a rule. Following a rule you voluntarily agreed to follow is right and not following it is wrong.

 

Rosa Parks was wrong because by purchasing a bus fare she voluntarily agreed to follow the rule that required that she sit at the back of the bus yet... following her arrest, the Montgomery Bus Boycott began, ending with a judge's determination that segregated seating on buses was unconstitutional.

I realize this is hyperbole but right and wrong can be and frequently are a matters of opinion.

[BuffetPantsPls]

Yes it is.

 

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/planning-center/my-cruise-plans/faqs/preparing-for-your-cruise/

 

Q: May Guests bring alcohol onboard?

 

A: While adult Guests ages 21 and older may bring alcohol onboard, the following guidelines apply: Alcohol brought on board may not be consumed in any lounge or public area ...

 

 

• Alcohol brought on board may not be consumed in any lounge or public area.
  
• Guests who arrive in the dining room with a bottle of champagne or wine that has been brought on board will be charged a corking fee of $20.00 per bottle.
  
• Beverages must be packed in your carry-on bag—which must not exceed 22 inches wide, 14 inches high and 9 inches deep in dimension
  
• Coolers filled with personal items (e.g. soda, alcohol, chips, candy, etc.) may not be brought on board.
  

=(

 

 

that's pretty restricted

 

 

that carry one means you can really only bring 6 bottles if you have a dedicated carry-on bag (because of padding to keep it from breaking)

 

 

 

and there still is some cockage going on.

[BuffetPantsPls]

Rosa Parks was wrong because by purchasing a bus fare she voluntarily agreed to follow the rule that required that she sit at the back of the bus yet... following her arrest, the Montgomery Bus Boycott began, ending with a judge's determination that segregated seating on buses was unconstitutional.

 

I realize this is hyperbole but right and wrong can be and frequently are a matters of opinion.

 

if rosa park didn't pay the fare to get on teh bus

 

would you argue that it's a matter of opinion that she was wrong?

 

if a restaurant/ cruiseline charges you 15$ for a service to provide glasses, and dispose of your bottles and you don't want to pay, is it really a matter of opinion?

 

if you had paid the 15$, and the cruiseline doesn't allow you to drink the bottle wherever you want, I'd say your analogy would be better in that instance.

Edited October 9, 2014 by BuffetPantsPls

[Out to sea!]

Rosa Parks was wrong because by purchasing a bus fare she voluntarily agreed to follow the rule that required that she sit at the back of the bus yet... following her arrest, the Montgomery Bus Boycott began, ending with a judge's determination that segregated seating on buses was unconstitutional.

I realize this is hyperbole but right and wrong can be and frequently are a matters of opinion.

 

Yes, she was wrong and was arrested for breaking the law. I'd like to see the same thing happen to smugglers myself.

 

But you are free to boycott NCL to make your point if you so choose.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Out to sea!

[punkincc]

And you have proof of this? I know because at the theater in the town I live in, it is not (verified with the manager) a violation to bring your own snacks in. It is discouraged but there is no written rule against it. Maybe you should check with your own theater before making such assumptions. Of course, you could also find a different rationalization than "other people do it so I'm going to as well".

 

Why do you assume I made an assumption? Maybe YOU should check the situations in theaters other than your own.

 

Even if I did not have a $1 candy bar in my purse, I would NOT be paying $5 for one sold by the theatre. I would do without. So therefore, no loss in revenue for the theater regardless, as I never buy anything at the concession.

 

NCL allows as many cases of soda as you wish brought aboard. No fees charged to offset the revenue loss for the equivalent number of glasses of soda not purchased. Yet a $15 fee is charged for a bottle of wine, even though I would imagine NCL would lose more on the XX glasses of soda than they would on a few glasses of wine.

 

The rules on the various cruise lines are not consistent. Some will allow no soda, some all you want, some will allow 1 bottle of wine in cabin with no fee, some limit the number of bottles even with corkage, some will allow hard liquor, some none at all. When rules are arbitrary, it becomes much easier to rationalize skirting them.

 

We all rationalize something. Some of us just admit it.

[Out to sea!]

• Alcohol brought on board may not be consumed in any lounge or public area.
  
• Guests who arrive in the dining room with a bottle of champagne or wine that has been brought on board will be charged a corking fee of $20.00 per bottle.
  
• Beverages must be packed in your carry-on bag—which must not exceed 22 inches wide, 14 inches high and 9 inches deep in dimension
  
• Coolers filled with personal items (e.g. soda, alcohol, chips, candy, etc.) may not be brought on board.
  

=(

 

 

that's pretty restricted

 

 

that carry one means you can really only bring 6 bottles if you have a dedicated carry-on bag (because of padding to keep it from breaking)

 

 

 

and there still is some cockage going on.

 

Pretty restricted????? Compared to what? :rolleyes:

[kentalope]

if rosa park didn't pay the fare to get on teh bus

 

would you argue that it's a matter of opinion that she was wrong?

 

if a restaurant/ cruiseline charges you 15$ for a service to provide glasses, and dispose of your bottles and you don't want to pay, is it really a matter of opinion?

 

if you had paid the 15$, and the cruiseline doesn't allow you to drink the bottle wherever you want, I'd say your analogy would be better in that instance.

 

I was simply commenting on the absolute statement made that right and wrong are always a matter of fact and not opinion. If right and wrong were always that black and white we would not need to have an odd number of Supreme Court Justices.

[Out to sea!]

Why do you assume I made an assumption? Maybe YOU should check the situations in theaters other than your own.

 

Even if I did not have a $1 candy bar in my purse, I would NOT be paying $5 for one sold by the theatre. I would do without. So therefore, no loss in revenue for the theater regardless, as I never buy anything at the concession.

 

NCL allows as many cases of soda as you wish brought aboard. No fees charged to offset the revenue loss for the equivalent number of glasses of soda not purchased. Yet a $15 fee is charged for a bottle of wine, even though I would imagine NCL would lose more on the XX glasses of soda than they would on a few glasses of wine.

 

The rules on the various cruise lines are not consistent. Some will allow no soda, some all you want, some will allow 1 bottle of wine in cabin with no fee, some limit the number of bottles even with corkage, some will allow hard liquor, some none at all. When rules are arbitrary, it becomes much easier to rationalize skirting them.

 

We all rationalize something. Some of us just admit it.

 

Because you made the assumption that every theater operates the same as yours does. Personally, I couldn't care less what the theater in your town does which is why I would never check on it. just like I have no idea what the alcohol policy on P&O Lines is because I will never sail them. Like you, I also would never buy candy in a theater and I almost never buy alcohol on board. How can they be losing revenue on me when they never had the chance to gain revenue? Though it really doesn't matter, not purchasing alcohol on board is not a violation of the rules and that is what matters to me. The revenue loss/stealing argument doesn't mean a thing to me just like the "I smuggle but still buy a lot on board" argument. Both are BS.

 

There you go with assumptions again. I guess since you rationalize that means everyone else does. FYI, some of us don't need to rationalize because we don't do things that need rationalizing away.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Out to sea!

[kentalope]

Yes, she was wrong and was arrested for breaking the law. I'd like to see the same thing happen to smugglers myself.

 

But you are free to boycott NCL to make your point if you so choose.

You're right and I am wrong... but that is just my opinion.;)

 

Life is too short.... I'm outta here.