2 possible EBOLA patients on MAGIC

[ducklite]

QUOTE=Cruise life;44461385]This is where the CDC information boggles me. They say you cannot get ebola FROM someone sneezing near you, but if you stick your finger in your nose with a contaminated finger of your own, then you can get it. I don't see the difference as a professional. Contaminated snot is contaminated snot, and if it enters thru a break in your skin, your privates, or your eyes, mouth, or NOSE (AS THEY SAY IT CAN) it's a mute point if it was place there by your direct contact or via a blown chunk out of someone's nasal passages, eww, now I am leaving this thread, at least for the night. Considering the gear the "trained" ebola professionals wear it's pretty obvious airborne transmission is on their minds.

 

If a person with ebola spits on a surface and it dries you can't catch it by touching that surface, the virus is dead. People grow up, there is no chance of catching anything from this. It's hard to spread. i will take there room without a thought, give me a free cruise and don't clean the room. The cleaning and everything is just to make sure there is no wet surface from them its a to make you feel better, people that live with them don't get it, you have to touch there wet spit or somehow come into contact with there fluids

 

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Actually the virus can live on surfaces for up to six hours in temperatures in the 45-75 degree F range. They are susceptible to UV light, so outside surfaces should generally be safe, but inside, artificially lit surfaces, particularly in lower light areas (casinos, bars, discos, etc.) should be considered suspect if someone with active Ebola symptoms has been exposed to them.

[ducklite]

She lives in a brainless bubble if she didn't see the news of nurse #1 somewhere before leaving.

I am certain she made plans some time back, but I bet you if she had called carnival she was an employee of the Dallas hospital where Duncan was a patient, etc etc they would of gladly given her a refund .look at what it will cost CCL now!

No, you don't stop life when you work around all the illness you come into contact with. But holy cow this is freaking ebola.

If people don't wake up and get the picture we will be in a mess over here.

 

I disagree. Many people aren't news junkies. My sister has one television in her home, and it is seldom turned on. She doesn't follow the news or pop culture. She is hardly brainless, she has a PhD. She is just busy being a mom to four of her own and two foster kids, and feels her time spent with them is far more important then the vapid void called television in this country.

[ducklite]

Do people realize that the government cannot stop all the people from leaving the ship.

 

There is no law that allows a government entity to kidnap someone and hold them even if they have Ebola.

 

The government cannot stop a citizen from moving around freely.

 

The government cannot force anyone to give a blood sample.

 

The government cannot release any medical records nor name anyone that has or might have Ebola.

 

Also, it appears that there is a 50% rate people that have no symptoms but did/do have the Ebola virus. So, 50% of the people that get Ebola don't show and symptoms and do not die.

 

Sure they can. The government can quarantine for up to 24 hours without a court order. A court can order an indefinite quarantine or hold on anyone deemed to be a risk to public health.

[jimbo5544]

Reading that, I'm not sure the new recommendations would have prevented the lab worker from boarding the ship. Technically, she didn't help care for the Ebola patient, and it hasn't even been definitively stated that she handled vials containing the patient's body fluids.

 

When the story broke, I was quite critical of the lab worker's decision to go forward with her cruise. I still lean towards thinking she should have been more cautious and stayed home, but in trying to look at it from the perspective of someone who handles bio-hazards on a daily basis, I can see how they might view this as no different than any of the other nastiness they see on a daily basis.

 

I agree Cindy.

[ducklite]

Check the label on the wipes. Many (most? all?) of the Clorox wipes don't actually contain bleach and may not be effective against viruses.

 

 

 

https://www.clorox.com/products/clorox-disinfecting-wipes/

 

Good catch!

[shipty2]

This is exactly what I was thinking, although I believe it would take longer to disinfect the cabin and infirmary. All soft good and porous surfaces would need to be removed in a manner that they wouldn't touch anything else on the way out and burned, and all non-porous surfaces would need to be sprayed with chlorine bleach. The fumes from the amount of bleach needed alone would not dissipate that quickly and would render the cabin uninhabitable for at least 24 hours--that's if there was a balcony door to open. It would probably take a week before the bleach fumes were not at toxic/caustic levels with no fresh air source--and you can't just vent them into the hallway.

 

Untrue.

There are many products available that will easily kill Ebola without the fumes of bleach ie accelerated hydrogen peroxide .

[ducklite]

Alot of people are praising Carnival for a job well done. For what giving $200 OBC and a discounted cruise for missing ONE port.

Let’s see what happens on another ship that misses a port due to weather or other ship issues what will be given NOT MUCH. This was just damage control to keep people calm and happy on the ship with the Carnival name AGAIN in the news for a problem cruise and possible Ebola scare.

Hope all is well for the person involved with this and all else on the ship.

 

I agree that it was damage control. Carnival has had a very poor performance in managing crisis' on their ships over the past few years. This caused a major drop in stock as well as bookings. I think they've learned from their errors, which is good news for their customers and stockholders.

 

Frankly I think they've reacted very favorably in regard to this situation.

[ducklite]

I agree with most of what you posted. The Ebola scare is way overblown.

 

However, comparing Ebola to HIV and the like is a bit over the top. HIV is treated daily all over the world. Hazmat gear is not used. Ebola has spread from patient to healthcare worker even using extreme caution. Even tho Ebola is not airborne just like HIV, Ebola is still highly contagious.

 

I agree. HIV can not be spread through casual contact--including closed mouth (dry) kissing. It isn't found in urine, vomit, or feces. It isn't found in sweat or mucus. The only four body fluids it is found in are semen; vaginal fluid; blood; and breast milk.

 

Ebola is found in all of the above, including urine which is normally sterile. The reason Ebola is found in urine is that an Ebola patient will typically have blood in their urine.

[ducklite]

So...there is a risk!

 

EVERYTHING IN THIS ENTIRE WORLD CARRIES RISK. You can wrap yourself in bubble wrap and choke to death when a piece breaks loose and lodges in your throat. You can be enjoying a sunny afternoon in your backyard and have a bird die in midair and come crashing down on you, killing you instantly. Absurd, yes, but impossible? Not at all.

[ducklite]

Untrue.

There are many products available that will easily kill Ebola without the fumes of bleach ie accelerated hydrogen peroxide .

 

They would still need to bag and remove all soft goods and replace them, including the carpet. Carpet fumes are also noxious for the first 24-48 hours.

[jimbo5544]

I agree that it was damage control. Carnival has had a very poor performance in managing crisis' on their ships over the past few years. This caused a major drop in stock as well as bookings. I think they've learned from their errors, which is good news for their customers and stockholders.

 

Frankly I think they've reacted very favorably in regard to this situation.

 

I agree on the last sentence. I think they have the best record in dealing with problems. I would argue how they handled the crisis with both the Splendor and the Triumph was way above what the rest of the industry did with problems.

[jimbo5544]

Alot of people are praising Carnival for a job well done. For what giving $200 OBC and a discounted cruise for missing ONE port.

Let’s see what happens on another ship that misses a port due to weather or other ship issues what will be given NOT MUCH. This was just damage control to keep people calm and happy on the ship with the Carnival name AGAIN in the news for a problem cruise and possible Ebola scare.

Hope all is well for the person involved with this and all else on the ship.

 

Actually what it was is a fair response to a situation. A lot of people are giving them "praise" (your words not mine) because what they did was step up to the situation (as they always do. Making an analogy to a missed port for weather related reasons and what they give for that is utter nonsense and totally not related. BTW, you might want to look at what other cruise lines give for missed ports, but let's stay on topic.....

[keishashadow]

I've come to the conclusion CCL is cursed. Seems they always get the short end of the stick over the last 5 years.

 

I have my differences with CCL, a love-hate thing where the itineraries and cheap fares keep me coming back;).

 

However, even I find it mind-boggling to hear people actually blaming CCL for this mess:rolleyes:

 

Neptune has been relentless ever since CCL changed the name of the Destiny. That's a no no to the gods of the sea and maritime folklore.

 

hehe

[luvtheships]

So is the ship back yet? When are they due in?

 

 

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[vols_159]

Wonder if they will warn the next passengers who are in that room or the rooms around it...

[andy.capitan]

So is the ship back yet? When are they due in?

 

 

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They are due in on schedule tomorrow.

[elliair]

I don't blame Carnival, I blame the woman for boarding knowing that she should not have boarded the ship. What should happen to her? She ruined a lot of people's vacation, she put Carnival in a bad light. I have a sneaking suspicion that she boarded the ship because she didn't have trip insurance. She felt as though she was entitled to a vacation because of her stressful situation at work. I believe she should be banned from Carnival for life. I see her getting sued not Carnival.

[luvtheships]

They are due in on schedule tomorrow.

 

Thought it was posted that they were coming in a day early? Where did you see on schedule?

 

 

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[texast518]

Thought it was posted that they were coming in a day early? Where did you see on schedule?

 

 

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It would b tough to come in day early, flights, dock personnel, etc. Unless they just parked there & did nothing until tomorrow, no reason to get 2 passengers off if no symptoms.

[jimbo5544]

Wonder if they will warn the next passengers who are in that room or the rooms around it...

 

 

If the 21 days go by and no test positive, there is no need, nor should they.

 

 

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[ducklite]

I don't blame Carnival, I blame the woman for boarding knowing that she should not have boarded the ship. What should happen to her? She ruined a lot of people's vacation, she put Carnival in a bad light. I have a sneaking suspicion that she boarded the ship because she didn't have trip insurance. She felt as though she was entitled to a vacation because of her stressful situation at work. I believe she should be banned from Carnival for life. I see her getting sued not Carnival.

 

I think you make a lot of assumptions. The woman that flew asked the CDC not once but twice if she was cleared to fly, and reported having a low grade fever. She was cleared to do so. If she was cleared, certainly an asymptomatic lab worker who might not have ever even been within 25 feet of a vial containing Ebola would have been told to go and enjoy herself.

[ducklite]

It would b tough to come in day early, flights, dock personnel, etc. Unless they just parked there & did nothing until tomorrow, no reason to get 2 passengers off if no symptoms.

 

I agree with you. Carnival isn't going to want to pay docking fees if they don't need to. They might keep the ship in Galveston Bay, but I can't imagine why they would dock early.

[jimbo5544]

I think you make a lot of assumptions. The woman that flew asked the CDC not once but twice if she was cleared to fly, and reported having a low grade fever. She was cleared to do so. If she was cleared, certainly an asymptomatic lab worker who might not have ever even been within 25 feet of a vial containing Ebola would have been told to go and enjoy herself.

 

 

So who's problem is it?

 

 

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[ducklite]

If the 21 days go by and no test positive, there is no need, nor should they.

 

 

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Agreed. That said, I think they'd be best off destroying all soft goods and fully sanitizing the cabin, if only to reassure passengers that they have taken the potential for threat seriously. The cost would be minimal compared to the positive press.

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[airmj2123]

There are places set up to handle Ebola, and people who fail to follow the orders of the CDC can be transported to those places against their will.

 

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

 

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

 

CDC’s Role

Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.

 

As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.

 

When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease.

 

It seems you are the one ignorant of the law.

 

 

In addition to this, Executive Order 13295 also provides for the ability to quarantine people (and now specifically mentions Ebola).

http://www.cdc.gov/sars/quarantine/exec-2004-04-03.html