Pets on board

[L454S]

Sorry, but I can't understand the mentality that makes one feel it is OK to bring a dog on board a cruise ship. What a "ME" kind of thought process.

[dz9yvr]

really,

 

So who is going to defend the 50% of the people who are cheating the system and taking their dog with them for any number of reasons? None of you holier than thou I'm sure. You are going to assume all if not most have a "medical reason" to bring a a dog on a cruise ship. Ok, I get it it they "have" to take there dogs to the grocery, hardware stores, movie theatres, church,to the bathroom all so that they will feel secure and won't have seizures and attacks. Leave the dog or find a land vacation. Seeing eye dogs, people with visible handicaps I welcome those service dogs 110% of the time. Oh I know there are more than just visible handicaps, save your time cutting and pasting that quote but address the losers that don't have a handicap and still do it, then we can talk reality.

 

Sorry,

 

I'm not buying it. They fall right into the 60% of people who need to have a handicap sticker and move faster than me when they get out of their car.

 

Yep, an excellent summary. I hope RCL wakes up and starts to keep hese people off the ships.

[glentally]

Yep, an excellent summary. I hope RCL wakes up and starts to keep hese people off the ships.

 

Thanks for the supporting words both of you. I was shocked when I saw the dog. It will be like Noah's ark soon when the pony ,the pig and some goats are allowed.

[spookwife]

The people claim to need the dogs for emotional support

 

 

ES animals are not considered service animals under ADA and are not entitled to the same access. Unfortunately people push the issue and bully their way into getting exceptions made

 

 

 

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[mikevet]

How did people manage 20-30 years ago????

 

 

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[1ParticularHbr]

It's very sad that so many posters assume that some dogs onboard are "fake" service dogs just because the passenger's disability isn't visible. Do people with scooters and other mobility devices get passenger scrutiny about necessity of their accommodation too? Sadly, sometimes they do. Its a shame that people view disability accommodations for others as some kind of injustice or intrusion on their vacation. Maybe I'm too trusting but, knowing all shipboard accommodations are reviewed and approved by RCI's special needs department, I accept shipboard accommodations as reasonable and necessary.

[babyher]

It's very sad that so many posters assume that some dogs onboard are "fake" service dogs just because the passenger's disability isn't visible. Do people with scooters and other mobility devices get passenger scrutiny about necessity of their accommodation too? Sadly, sometimes they do. Its a shame that people view disability accommodations for others as some kind of injustice or intrusion on their vacation. Maybe I'm too trusting but, knowing all shipboard accommodations are reviewed and approved by RCI's special needs department, I accept shipboard accommodations as reasonable and necessary.

 

 

I know there are many many people who are truly disabled and are fully deserving to any assistance or accommodation that can be provided.

 

But it has also gotten totally out of hand.

 

 

Every day you hear about some new condition or syndrome, or illness, and before you know it you hear about 20 people who have this disease that you never even heard of 6 months ago.

 

And of course it comes with a note that pretty much acts as a bullett proof shield against anything you want or don't want to do. Or any time you want off with full pay.

 

At my job we have the joke about the 2 famous Russian doctors Dr Summeroff and Dr. Winteroff

[Tapi]

I understand they're using ponies as service animals but would you please tell me where they stand & how/if they're restrained in any way? I can't figure out how you travel with a pony.

 

 

I'm an Airline Pilot and I had one of those ponies aboard one of my flights. It fit between the last First Class row and the first row of Economy Class. The pony was basically looking out the window with his butt facing the aisle the entire flight. On that specific airplane model, the pony fit perfectly, but on airplanes with a solid partition between First and Economy or less space between rows, that pony would've not been able to fit.

 

 

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[PerferWarmWeather]

Hopefully RCCL doesn't start seeing more dogs on the cruises. If so we could be walking through the Promenade and we could hear "How much is that doggie in the window"? :D

[rose102798]

My husband and I took a short weekend cruise out of Port Canaveral. We were in the casino one night and there was a man in a wheel chair with a service dog. The dog was in there so long. He eventually stood up and peed right there on the carpet. It made me so sad because dogs do not like to do this. Especially a very well trained service dog. I just can't stop wondering how long that dog had waited. Makes me sad every time I think about it.

[rose102798]

What's rccl policy for bringing small dogs on board? Anyone see that before on allure? Who is allowed to bring a pet?

 

 

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I often wondered this too. Because after 14 years it was hard to leave our little dog at home. But then I realized that I was just being selfish, thinking of how I would miss her and not how uncomfortable she would be on that ship.

[Barb Nahoumi]

Thanks for the supporting words both of you. I was shocked when I saw the dog. It will be like Noah's ark soon when the pony ,the pig and some goats are allowed.

 

Ships will need to have barnyard decks for them.

[buchananglasgow]

yes could have been a dog who knows when seizures are coming for diabetic. Or epileptic . Also it could have been a hearing dog for a deaf person.

[squadron]

What's rccl policy for bringing small dogs on board? Anyone see that before on allure? Who is allowed to bring a pet?

 

 

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Service dogs are usually larger type of dogs - can't see where a little dog would be of help for anything. I'd rather see a large dog anytime rather than the "toy" ones.

[gerif]

Service dogs are usually larger type of dogs - can't see where a little dog would be of help for anything. I'd rather see a large dog anytime rather than the "toy" ones.

 

It really depends on the "service" the dog is trained to perform. Small dogs are perfect for detecting oncoming seizures and diabetic attacks. Easier to care for as well for many eople. Larger dogs are best suited to be guide dogs.

 

As for disabled parking passes, you just cannot tell a person's disability by looking at them. DH has COPD emphysema and asthma. On a bad day, he can't get out of bed. To see him walk, while slow, he seems fine. OTOH, I have arthritis and a crushed vertebrae so limp occasionally. I do not have a handicap tag and will not use a handicapped parking spot when I use his car even though no one would ever question if I needed to park there. Actually, walking helps me.

[BeachChik]

Service dogs are usually larger type of dogs - can't see where a little dog would be of help for anything. I'd rather see a large dog anytime rather than the "toy" ones.

 

http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/354

 

There is a disabled board where someone cruises regularly with a service dog and talks about what a pain it really is to bring an animal on a ship. Yes there will always be people that will abuse ANY system. But I don't believe that is the norm. I really feel like people could stand to be a little less judgemental. I am not the moral police. I don't think it's ok to Smuggle booze anymore then to bring a non service animal on a ship. But it isn't my job to teach strangers right from wrong and as long as they aren't bothering me I am not going to worry about it. There will always be people that think the rules don't apply to them.

 

And whether people agree or not, small service animals can do many things. A blind person isn't the only person that would need or use a service animal. But again it isn't my job to judge someone's disability or lack there of. And not all disabilities are visible. Should they wear a sign that says I have xyz disability? Of course not because it isn't anyone's business.

Edited November 29, 2014 by BeachChik

[geocruiser]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/11262407/Pigs-cant-fly-pot-bellied-hog-taken-on-plane-for-emotional-support-kicked-off.html

 

Just some info about what happen on a plane with a pet.

[Tim,n,Sue]

Brilliance of the Sea, April T A. Observed women pushing stroller in the Windjammer, same woman pushing same stroller in the area of Park Ave. Also observed in various hallways. In this stroller were two dogs. One appeared older than the other, both dogs were small.

 

We were on the same cruise. She apparently was stopped by the authorities at the port in Harwich England and they required her to quarantine the two dogs for 30 days before they could leave the country.

[Calgon1]

We were on the same cruise. She apparently was stopped by the authorities at the port in Harwich England and they required her to quarantine the two dogs for 30 days before they could leave the country.

Even though she claimed they were 'service dogs', the point of fact is, they were dogs. Quarantine laws still apply . . .

 

So, I suppose this begs the question, How did she manage with whatever her 'disability' was for that 30 day quarantine period?

[emeraldcity]

Whether the service dog is legit or not doesn't bother me. For the most part, I don't think there are many cases (yet) where the dog negatively impacts other passengers, but if becomes more commonplace, I think many of us (me included) are going to be put off by the practice. I was able to ignore the last dog on board until I had to deal with trying to avoid being tripped by the leash when the woman was leading the dog through the congestion of the food islands in the Windjammer ... Really? If you can't leave the dog in your cabin long enough to go get food at the buffet and then return ... then order room service. The dining venues should be off limits.

[BeachChik]

If you can't leave the dog in your cabin long enough to go get food at the buffet and then return ... then order room service. The dining venues should be off limits.

 

These kind of comments always make me wonder if it was you that had a disability and had a legitimate service animal would you never go to a public dining facility? Someone that is disabled wants to do normal things just like everyone else. Thankfully the ADA exists so that public places cannot refuse entry to people with service animals, including restaurants. Service animals are trained to be unobtrusive and very well behaved in public.

[Ken at the beach]

http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/354

 

There is a disabled board where someone cruises regularly with a service dog and talks about what a pain it really is to bring an animal on a ship. Yes there will always be people that will abuse ANY system. But I don't believe that is the norm. I really feel like people could stand to be a little less judgemental. I am not the moral police. I don't think it's ok to Smuggle booze anymore then to bring a non service animal on a ship. But it isn't my job to teach strangers right from wrong and as long as they aren't bothering me I am not going to worry about it. There will always be people that think the rules don't apply to them.

 

And whether people agree or not, small service animals can do many things. A blind person isn't the only person that would need or use a service animal. But again it isn't my job to judge someone's disability or lack there of. And not all disabilities are visible. Should they wear a sign that says I have xyz disability? Of course not because it isn't anyone's business.

 

These kind of comments always make me wonder if it was you that had a disability and had a legitimate service animal would you never go to a public dining facility? Someone that is disabled wants to do normal things just like everyone else. Thankfully the ADA exists so that public places cannot refuse entry to people with service animals, including restaurants. Service animals are trained to be unobtrusive and very well behaved in public.

 

Excellent posts!!!

[HopingForFun333]

We were on the Indy in November for the transatlantic. Whilst on deck we often saw a couple pushing a covered-in stroller on deck. The first time they went by I took a peek through the front cover ( love the little ones :) ), had quite a turn I can tell you, when a face covered in white-ish hair with button eyes and nose looked back at me. That'll teach me to be nosey. :):)

 

Seriously though, there seemed no obvious reason health/assistance wise to have this dog on board, but it just didn't seem fair to the dog. Somehow it seemed sad,surely a dog should not be kept in a stroller, they need to be able to run around, sniffing and chasing things...a ship is not the place for a happy dog.

 

This is no disrespect to those whose care dogs hold a special place in society and our affections.

[glentally]

These kind of comments always make me wonder if it was you that had a disability and had a legitimate service animal would you never go to a public dining facility? Someone that is disabled wants to do normal things just like everyone else. Thankfully the ADA exists so that public places cannot refuse entry to people with service animals, including restaurants. Service animals are trained to be unobtrusive and very well behaved in public.

 

good comments Emarld City. I would have had a fit if someone was walking a dog on a long leash in the retaurant. A dog close by , yes but OMG this is really getting out of hand.

 

Are other cruiselines doing this?

 

Beach Chik,

 

If I needed to bring my pony or goat on a ship I hope I would have enough sense to stay home. I guess this "service dog on a leash" didn't get the proper training on how to navigate a buffet line. All that said most cruisers don't know either.

Edited November 29, 2014 by glentally

[aloha43]

The ADA changed their rules to not acknowledge emotional support dogs. The problem is that each state may have their own laws. California is the worst. Rules regarding service animals are horrible. One isn't allowed to ask for proof......and ANYONE can be the "trainer". Friend, family, etc. Anyone.

 

We are property managers and had a resident ask what kind of dogs were allowed. 20 lbs and no pit bulls. She then showed up with her new dog.....a HUGE pit bull that was owned by a homeless person....no history on this dog. This person is 5'4 and 72 years old....and couldn't control the dog.

 

When I told her that the dog was too big and wrong breed, she forced the service animal issue with a note from a nurse practitioner. I had to accept this dog....in a park that has over 70 children.

 

Long story short....the pit killed the neighbor's dog. (Horrible, but thank goodness it wasn't a child.)

 

In California, the bums are entering restaurants with their stinky, flea ridden dogs and no one can stop it without being discriminatory and risking a lawsuit.

 

I'm not sure how strict the cruise ship rules are, since most are owned by foreign companies.