Vista to Miami

[tropicaledrink]

Apart from the Breeze, it had been a very long time since a new ship was actually in Miami.

 

PLUS Miami is losing a ship - the Conquest, since it's going to FLL to replace the Freedom.

[Pixelate]

PLUS Miami is losing a ship - the Conquest, since it's going to FLL to replace the Freedom.

 

Didn't it just gain the Splendor for seasonal sailings recently? Perhaps Nov 2014?

 

You're right though. Giving away cruises for free out of Miami because of an over-saturated market is exactly the business model Carnival wants. Once capacity had been lowered from Miami, it only makes sense to increase the capacity to a point where it is more than previously when cruises were free.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Pixelate

[Topo Gigio]

Exactly. It had something that represents Havana. Using your logic, why didn't it go to Miami?

 

Because once again it only has a small bar called Havana and Miami at that time just got the Breeze which is basically a ship with the same amenities as Sunshine. Vista has a phletoria of Havana, but we will see. My money is still on Miami.

[EZ4]

Follow the money. Galveston commands the highest prices. Consistently.

[tropicaledrink]

Didn't it just gain the Splendor for seasonal sailings recently? Perhaps Nov 2014?

 

You're right though. Giving away cruises for free out of Miami because of an over-saturated market is exactly the business model Carnival wants. Once capacity had been lowered from Miami, it only makes sense to increase the capacity to a point where it is more than previously when cruises were free.

 

I completely forgot about the Splendor. Thanks for the reminder. Although there was speculation not long ago that the Splendor would be turned over to a sister line who could better utilize her expansive spa services.

 

My original point being that I think Galveston is a long shot.

[Pixelate]

I completely forgot about the Splendor. Thanks for the reminder. Although there was speculation not long ago that the Splendor would be turned over to a sister line who could better utilize her expansive spa services.

 

My original point being that I think Galveston is a long shot.

 

Speculation? More like a childish rumor that was originally meant to be a joke that was submitted to some random news source that a bigger news source picked up on, which was then copied and posted to many social media groups and Cruise Critic until the brand ambassador debunked the myth.

 

Kind of like the Victory to Charleston episode.

 

Galveston isn't a long shot. As EZ4 said above, it consistently commands the higher price tag.

Edited January 24, 2015 by Pixelate

[misguidedangel]

I would love to see the Vista or Magic in New Orleans. They could leave the Breeze in Miami.....They can move the Dream to Galveston and still have a big ship ported there....

 

Would it be freaky if they move a big ship back to Long Beach to do Mexico....

 

I am going to try to do the Breeze this year of I can get around paying the full fare myself as my friend will be able to pay her share. My cruising friend is going to Cozumel (and I happily pay the full price myself just to hang with my American bestie for a week).....If the Breeze falls through I'll be on the Glory to HMC....which won't bother me at all...

[tropicaledrink]

Speculation? More like a childish rumor that was originally meant to be a joke that was submitted to some random news source that a bigger news source picked up on, which was then copied and posted to many social media groups and Cruise Critic until the brand ambassador debunked the myth.

 

Kind of like the Victory to Charleston episode.

 

Galveston isn't a long shot. As EZ4 said above, it consistently commands the higher price tag.

 

Ok if you want to count multiple on board crew as being a part of that childish rumor sure. We were told by more than one future cruise person that it was happening. Just saying. Personally I wouldn't be sad to to see the Splendor go. Her layout is not my favorite.

 

And this is all opinion anyway. As I mentioned in my first post, I DO think it's a long shot to send the Vista there IF the Freedom is still there. Personally my hope is for PC.

 

I will say that I do think Vista's sister is more likely to go to Galveston.

 

Again, just my 2 cents. That's all ANY of this is until we know something official. Opinions.

[riclop]

You guys half got it. The Havana look it's because it's going to CUBA!!!!!:D

[tropicaledrink]

You guys half got it. The Havana look it's because it's going to CUBA!!!!!:D

 

Bahahahahaha! Best comment ever.

[Pixelate]

You guys half got it. The Havana look it's because it's going to CUBA!!!!!:D

 

That would be detrimental to sales. The ship wouldn't be able to call in the United States for six months with its current position. ;)

Edited January 24, 2015 by Pixelate

[djcass4199]

I say Vista to MIA, Breeze to Canaveral. And if not Breeze to Canaveral, Magic to Canaveral and Breeze to Galveston.

[talkorpi]

Follow the money. Galveston commands the highest prices. Consistently.

 

Unfortunately, yes :o :(! My money is that one of the Vista Class will end up here, one will be in Miami, and if they continue to build more, then New York and Port Canaveral would be the more likely options.

[Love2Cruz2015]

Since I will be sailing the Breeze this summer, I wouldn't mind if she is transported elsewhere and give us one of her sister ships, Dream or Magic.:D

[jwalk03]

I would love to see the Vista or Magic in New Orleans. They could leave the Breeze in Miami.....They can move the Dream to Galveston and still have a big ship ported there....

 

Would it be freaky if they move a big ship back to Long Beach to do Mexico....

 

I am going to try to do the Breeze this year of I can get around paying the full fare myself as my friend will be able to pay her share. My cruising friend is going to Cozumel (and I happily pay the full price myself just to hang with my American bestie for a week).....If the Breeze falls through I'll be on the Glory to HMC....which won't bother me at all...

 

Carnival won't be sending ant "big" ships to the West coast until the Panama Canal expansion is completed. WAY WAY too costly to have to sail them all the way around the tip of South America. Even then I doubt Long Beach gets a Dream or Vista class ship. Maybe a Conquest Class. The Mexican Riviera just isn't as popular as the Caribbean for cruises these days. (Maybe if Mexico ever gets their sh*t together, it could be again, but until then, its just not.)

[tampabrat22]

I'm betting on Miami and agree that with the expanded "Havana" features it would be the perfect location.

 

Our last 3 cruises were on the Breeze & Sunshine. After only spending 5 mins in the Havana bar on the Sunshine, I was wondering why it wasn't on the Breeze. With the huge Cuban/hispanic population in South Florida it just makes sense! I am Cuban and LOVED the Havana bar, spent every day there for lunch and almost every night for the music, dancing & drinks.

 

So fingers crossed it comes to Miami and send Gavelston the amazing Breeze.:D

[tncap]

Carnival won't be sending ant "big" ships to the West coast until the Panama Canal expansion is completed. WAY WAY too costly to have to sail them all the way around the tip of South America.

 

I agree that one of the larger ones won't be going to the west coast but not due to the expense in sailing around South America. They did that in the last couple of years in three legs. Many passengers sailed all three.

[Pixelate]

I agree that one of the larger ones won't be going to the west coast but not due to the expense in sailing around South America. They did that in the last couple of years in three legs. Many passengers sailed all three.

 

Let's take a moment to analyze this. For each segment of the 49 day transit from California to New York, fares reached $749, $949 and $899. For somebody staying onboard for the full transit, the cruise fare could have been as low as $2,597, or $371 per week averaged.

 

As we know longer cruises typically attract passengers who are more traveled and considerably older than your typical Carnival guest, we know this will skew the onboard spend. We know that the cruise fare is used as an attempt to cover the overhead and onboard spend contributes to the profit.

 

On a two week or longer transocean voyage, the ship is comprised by at least 75% Platinum and Diamond passengers who have already purchased the worthless merchandise from the Fun Shops. These passengers typically know how to get the best rate by manipulating fare codes. These passengers withdraw their onboard credit on a $1:$1 basis from the casino instead of spending $100obc costing Carnival $15. These passengers are older.

 

The average age on a transocean voyage can be in the 70s on Carnival; albeit transatlantic voyages are starting to garner more attention and the duration has been shortened to 13 days from 15-18. Passengers who are between the ages of 70 and 95 will not be purchasing Cheers, nor will they be drinking heavily. The most revenue Carnival can receive from onboard spend from these passengers will come from the slot machines, which in turn would earn them free drinks after a set number of points for the remainder of the voyage.

 

Ask yourself. Is Carnival really earning a profit on these cruises or are they simply sailing at the break-even point, if not at a loss? While some did the full transit around the horn, the revenue and occupancy levels are nowhere near what could have been earned from seven consecutive one week cruises. Then we have the fact that cruises from the west coast are being given away for free and nearly free, so how is it not too costly for them to bring a bigger ship to the west coast before the expansion in the Panama Canal is completed?

Edited January 25, 2015 by Pixelate

[jimbo5544]

Let's take a moment to analyze this. For each segment of the 49 day transit from California to New York, fares reached $749, $949 and $899. For somebody staying onboard for the full transit, the cruise fare could have been as low as $2,597, or $371 per week averaged.

 

As we know longer cruises typically attract passengers who are more traveled and considerably older than your typical Carnival guest, we know this will skew the onboard spend. We know that the cruise fare is used as an attempt to cover the overhead and onboard spend contributes to the profit.

 

On a two week or longer transocean voyage, the ship is comprised by at least 75% Platinum and Diamond passengers who have already purchased the worthless merchandise from the Fun Shops. These passengers typically know how to get the best rate by manipulating fare codes. These passengers withdraw their onboard credit on a $1:$1 basis from the casino instead of spending $100obc costing Carnival $15. These passengers are older.

 

The average age on a transocean voyage can be in the 70s on Carnival; albeit transatlantic voyages are starting to garner more attention and the duration has been shortened to 13 days from 15-18. Passengers who are between the ages of 70 and 95 will not be purchasing Cheers, nor will they be drinking heavily. The most revenue Carnival can receive from onboard spend from these passengers will come from the slot machines, which in turn would earn them free drinks after a set number of points for the remainder of the voyage.

 

Ask yourself. Is Carnival really earning a profit on these cruises or are they simply sailing at the break-even point, if not at a loss? While some did the full transit around the horn, the revenue and occupancy levels are nowhere near what could have been earned from seven consecutive one week cruises. Then we have the fact that cruises from the west coast are being given away for free and nearly free, so how is it not too costly for them to bring a bigger ship to the west coast before the expansion in the Panama Canal is completed?

Fair analysis. It won't happen.

[Dolly1952]

If Vista does go to Miami who plans on being on her for the trip down from NY City? I think Carnival said they will make the announcement in Feb of when and where they will send her.

[letiha]

And the winner is....Europe

[emtnmare2]

And the winner is....Europe

 

I was thinking China.;)

[jimbo5544]

I was thinking China.;)

 

Have been told by people who would know, it will not be China.

[familycruzinnewbie]

I was actually hoping it would hang around a bit in NY as I would have liked to do a Caribbean cruise from NCY, but timing would not work with kids school schedules. Miami (or Fort Lauderdale or Port Canaveral) would be fine. I'm sure NOLA and Galveston are lovely, but logistically prohibitive from my corner of east coast Canada. And I sure this holds true for anyone who has to fly a distance.

[Pixelate]

I was actually hoping it would hang around a bit in NY as I would have liked to do a Caribbean cruise from NCY, but timing would not work with kids school schedules. Miami (or Fort Lauderdale or Port Canaveral) would be fine. I'm sure NOLA and Galveston are lovely, but logistically prohibitive from my corner of east coast Canada. And I sure this holds true for anyone who has to fly a distance.

 

It would spend more time in New York if New York was as profitable to Carnival as New York and New Jersey are to Norwegian and Royal Caribbean. When Carnival has to deeply discount cruises or give them away for free when compared to NCL and RCI commanding prices significantly higher, Carnival doesn't have much of a choice. They aren't in business to give away cruises.