Dawn ran aground while leaving Bermuda?

[lgerrish]

I hope they are not stuck too long. I sure would be at the bar now and I would have NO worries ;)

God forbid I get an extended vacation off the Bermuda coast ;)

 

:D My nephew and his friends are onboard - the bar is open! All are safe and they are just "hanging" out, waiting to hear when they will sail back to Boston.

[Topsham]

Curious about something.. just say, God forbid, the ship wasn't able to sail due to damage (which luckily here, doesn't seem to be the case) How would NCL handle this? Use life boats to get pax back to Bermuda, but than what? Is NCL responsible to put all pax up in a hotel? Fly them all home on NCL's dime? Or would the pax be responsible?

 

 

Don't worry.

 

The large tender BERMUDIAN as well as several ferries can be made available to take passengers ashore. ( BERMUDIAN can lift 750 pax at a run.) If necessary... can take to hotels but not enough for all passengers so..... planes would be chartered. NCL will pack up the cost for everyone.... on NCL

insurance.

[ComeOnLetsGo]

Additional divers are currently heading to the ship.

[sail7seas]

Don't worry.

 

The large tender BERMUDIAN as well as several ferries can be made available to take passengers ashore. ( BERMUDIAN can lift 750 pax at a run.) If necessary... can take to hotels but not enough for all passengers so..... planes would be chartered. NCL will pack up the cost for everyone.... on NCL

insurance.

 

NCL would also have to arrange to have temporary passport for all those who choose to travel with Birth Certificate. Another good example of a good reason to have a passport when leaving home. Easy to arrange for those guests who hold passport; more of a nuisance for those who do not.

 

[kismet618]

From the AP:

 

Official: Norwegian cruise ship runs aground in Bermuda

BY DANICA COTO

MAY. 19, 2015 7:51 PM EDT

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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — A Norwegian cruise ship that departed Boston ran aground Tuesday as it left Bermuda, officials said.

 

An official with Bermuda's Rescue Coordination Center says the Norwegian Dawn ship hit the reef near Bermuda's North Channel. The official was not authorized to speak to the media.

 

He said there are 2,675 passengers and 1,062 crew members still aboard the ship. The official said the ship is in a stable position.

 

Norwegian Cruise Line said in a brief statement that the ship temporarily lost power and its propulsion was affected. Officials said everyone aboard is safe and that the ship has full power. The company did not return a request for additional comment.

 

The U.S. Coast Guard declined comment and referred calls to authorities in Bermuda.

 

The Norwegian Dawn offers a seven-day, round-trip cruise to Bermuda, where it spends three days in port.

[barnacle_boy]

Two years ago on the Epic I was privileged to be invited for a tour of the bridge. The Captain gave the tour and explained that the ship was steered by a toggle switch, not a ship's wheel. They had a small one on deck but it more symbolic than functional.

 

He also told us there in no "Caption" in charge of the bridge. A story was related to us of a small plane flying over the Everglades preparing to land. The pilot hit the switch to lower the landing gear and it did not light up signaling the gear was down and locked. All three occupants, pilot included, focused on the unlit bulb. The gear was down, the light bulb was burned out, and the plane crashed. Since that time NCL has had no one in charge of the bridge. Every officer is in charge and free to question the actions of any other officer.

 

Now I hear this story of the Dawn running aground. It's not the Captian's fault. It is the fault of every officer on the bridge at the time.

 

 

You're mostly right in terms of substance. The story that was related to you is a mistelling of the well known crash of Eastern Airlines Flight #401. It was not a small plane, but rather a massive Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Jet. Instead of three occupants, there were three officers on the flight deck (Captain, First Officer, Engineer) and another 173 passengers and crew onboard. The rest of the story, however, is more or less accurate. In order to diagnose the unlit landing gear indicator, the crew diverted to a holding pattern over the Florida Everglades. The engineer went below into the avionics bay to visually check if the gear was down, and the captain and first officer continued to fiddle with the lights. The crew was so fixated on this one problem, nobody was flying the plane. The captain accidentally knocked into his flight control column, which disengaged the autopilot and sent the plane into a gradual descent. It was a moonless night, and with no lights over the Everglades the crew was unaware of the plane's drop in altitude until it was too late. 101 passengers and crew died because of a burnt out lightbulb.

 

Basically, the point of relating this story to you was that this crash (as well as several others around the same time) spurred airlines to implement new Cockpit Resource Management (CRM) procedures that gave the first officer or engineer more authority to question the actions of the captain. For Eastern #401 in particular, CRM sets up delegation of responsibilities to ensure that at least one person is focused on actually flying the plane.

 

However, this crash occurred in December 1972, and CRM didn't become standard throughout the industry until the 1980s. The notion that NCL and cruise lines adopted similar CRM procedures in the wake of Eastern #401 is flawed. Rather, it wasn't until the 1990s that CRM began to be adopted by maritime industry groups as Bridge Resource Management (BRM) or Maritime Resource Management (MRM). NCL and other cruise lines have since adopted BRM/MRM and have similar practices regarding authority and incident delegation, but these were adopted many decades after the initial aviation accidents.

 

Of course, BRM/MRM does not somehow magically absolve the captain of blame in the event of an accident. It merely sets up a command environment in which accidents are less likely to occur.

[LMaxwell]

Why not drop anchor when you lose power until either power is restored or a tug(or 3) can get alongside?

[bluefish17]

I believe the North channel is the only option deep enough for a large cruise ship to get to the dockyard. If the Dawn is still aground tomorrow morning, that will be a problem when the Breakaway and the Summit arrive off Bermuda.

[geocruiser]

Does NCL Dawn block the channel into the port? Are there any other cruise ship due there in the AM?

[JAMESCC]

#1 I hope everyone is OK as it sounds they are.

#2 I just read on Yahoo that she briefly lost power and that's why she ran aground

#3 I always worry about a situation like this when I cruise, not entirely because aground is dangerous, but because I really can't fly. If it were engine failure and they send everyone home they fly everyone. That is simply not an option for me, can't do it. How would I get home? Could I hook up with another cruise ship that is going back to the US or they wouldn't allow that?

[Honeymoon95]

Back in 1995, we were supposed to board the Royal Majesty for our honeymoon cruise to Bermuda. That ship hit a sand bar off of Nantucket on the way back to Boston. The crew tried to "back up" off the sandbar and ended up getting the ship stuck even more. We are booked to get on the Dawn in June to celebrate our 20th anniversary and attempt a 2nd try at a cruise to Bermuda. Hopefully this ship is okay and doesn't need to go to dry dock. My Navy Chief dad is having a good chuckle up in Heaven!

[luv2cruiserccl]

Does NCL Dawn block the channel into the port? Are there any other cruise ship due there in the AM?

That's a good question anyone know?

 

also what was the cause of the orginal power outage that caused this?

 

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[Son of a son of a ...]

That's a good question anyone know?

 

also what was the cause of the orginal power outage that caused this?

 

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Real good question!

[luv2cruiserccl]

Appears liberty of the seas left was that before or after this happened?

 

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[meatball_nyc]

Does NCL Dawn block the channel into the port? Are there any other cruise ship due there in the AM?

 

 

Breakaway is due into Bermuda tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

 

P.S. The St. David pilot boat is positioned next to Dawn on marine traffic.com

Edited May 20, 2015 by meatball_nyc

[jdarch]

Liberty of the Seas left first

[geocruiser]

Breakaway is due into Bermuda tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

 

P.S. The St. David pilot boat is positioned next to Dawn on marine traffic.com

 

Will they make it into port? do the tender?

[persephoneo]

This is shocking news. I hope that everyone aboard is in good spirits and is safe.

[Cindy]

#1 I hope everyone is OK as it sounds they are.

#2 I just read on Yahoo that she briefly lost power and that's why she ran aground

#3 I always worry about a situation like this when I cruise, not entirely because aground is dangerous, but because I really can't fly. If it were engine failure and they send everyone home they fly everyone. That is simply not an option for me, can't do it. How would I get home? Could I hook up with another cruise ship that is going back to the US or they wouldn't allow that?

 

I feel certain they would arrange passage on another ship to get you home.

 

Do you remember a few years ago -- not long after the Triumph fire -- there was a problem with another one of Carnival's ships (Dream?) in the Virgin Islands? Most of the passengers were flown home, but several who couldn't fly were transported back on other ships.

Edited May 20, 2015 by Cindy

[SeaDog70s]

Why not drop anchor when you lose power until either power is restored or a tug(or 3) can get alongside?

 

Drop anchor?

That takes power, my friend, at least on the Navy ships I served on.

You _might_ be able to kick the chain-brake out, but, its a violent action.

 

And, of course, once the chain is out, how're you gonna get it back in?

[mking8288]

Will they make it into port? do the tender?

 

Liberty of the Seas left & sailed before the Dawn. The Summit from X is ahead of the Breakaway, due at Dockyard in the morning and from marine traffic sources, very close to the islands and already slowed down.

 

If they can't free the Dawn, the channel might be too narrow for the megaships to squeeze thru even at high tide in the morning (can't do it in the dark, for sure) - that's going to a huge tender ops, and depending on sea conditions - a fun ride for some, NOT. If the Summit can, the slightly bigger Breakaway can & should.

 

Bermuda sites reporting that tugs are trying to free the Dawn now (less than 1 hour from high tide again) to bring her back into port (Dockyard) ... which doesn't SOUND too good (translation - get her out of other ship's way) <<<< this is speculative interpretation of what is being said at the port bermuda webcam site - go there to read & see for yourself & draw your own conclusion. https://twitter.com/PTZtv/status/600806650513993728/photo/1

 

Power system is said to be on, air conditioning running - business as usual in the casino or ?? Looks like it could be a busy late night buffet, O'Sheehans with & without the takeout bans, and, Room Service - would the $7.95 fee be waived ? ... Hey, a little humor can ease tension, relax :p

[dcipjr]

Well, Bermuda is an hour ahead of Eastern time, and it's 9:30 Eastern, so 10:30 in Bermuda—high tide time.

 

Hopefully they'll be able to free her. The channel is pretty narrow; I wouldn't think the Breakaway could get through with her in there.

[persephoneo]

mking8288: it does make you think about what these mega huge ships do to the reefs around them. Sometimes I feel so removed from potential damage when on a cruise ship (going only on my 3rd cruise, but it makes you think about how these giant machines effect the waters and reefs around them).

 

It also should make one think of having proper documentation when travelling. I'm from Canada, so I have to have my passport to travel to the US, but I'm thinking how having a passport will aid in getting me home in dire circumstances as having to leave a ship and fly home unexpectedly.

 

My next cruise will be on the Breakaway to Bermuda for my honeymoon and birthday. I now feel that my fiancé and I will leave our wedding bands and other jewellery and other important items at home in order to travel smart and not have to fear leaving anything behind if need be (God forbid). Just grab our passports and go.

 

All in all, something like this makes you think about what is important, and what is important/essential to pack, and what we should leave at home (wedding rings, etc...) All the very best of peace and comfort to the wonderful staff of the Dawn and the passengers.

[Winston Wolf]

Well, Bermuda is an hour ahead of Eastern time, and it's 9:30 Eastern, so 10:30 in Bermuda—high tide time.

 

 

 

Hopefully they'll be able to free her. The channel is pretty narrow; I wouldn't think the Breakaway could get through with her in there.

 

 

It's REALLY narrow. I don't see any way two cruise ships could fit through the same section of channel.

[BeachMartini]

Anyone have a picture to demonstrate how narrow it is?