les37b Posted August 28, 2016 #1 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Just leaving Messina, the ship pushes off then slowly moves away. As it was turning (I was viewing from the aft) I looked on and thought no way is that going to clear the floating pier and boats there. I was right, Vista put on its thrusters and high pressure water went into the floating pier capsizing several boats and pushing the pier 20 yards from where it was! Couldn't see a pilot boat anywhere.... So I expect there will be red faces! Don't think anyone was hurt..... But that certainly wasn't meant to happen! Edited August 28, 2016 by les37b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namlsnik Posted August 28, 2016 #2 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Yikes Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted August 28, 2016 Author #3 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I had set up a second GoPro that would have captured the whole thing but the mount to the gorilla pod didn't feel tight enough. I did capture the aftermath though on my phone though I'm absolutely certain those at the stern will have captured the whole thing. No way was there not several cameras there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namlsnik Posted August 28, 2016 #4 Share Posted August 28, 2016 A pilot boat just showed up on the AFT camera...beautiful scenery, looks hazy and magical... Sorry to the owners of the capsized boats in Messina. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namlsnik Posted August 28, 2016 #5 Share Posted August 28, 2016 The only photo I've seen so far from someone onboard Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose1966 Posted August 28, 2016 #6 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Yikes, just hope no-one was hurt. Was on the Vista last week and loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted August 29, 2016 Author #7 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I was viewing from the whole length of the ship away but it didn't look like there were any people there. One of the guys on tours I've booked was directly above at the stern had a birds eye view and said it looked quite frightening. I expect a few video clips will appear at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted August 29, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted August 29, 2016 As I mentioned, I videod the aftermath from the whole length of the ship but it had already happened. This photo shows the after waves but you can't see the damage it caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
featherw8 Posted August 29, 2016 #9 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Here's video of the event from an Italian newspaper. http://www.gazzettadelsud.it/video/messina/210363/la-carnival-vista-spazza-via-il-molo-il-video.html#.V8SySGRdg6Y.facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted August 30, 2016 Author #10 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Looks even worse than it did from my view from the balcony at the front on deck 9 I can safely guarantee there will be some aerial shots from vista Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shof515 Posted August 30, 2016 #11 Share Posted August 30, 2016 looks like carnival may never go back to that port. and now the port will try to block any big ships from coming back (like what usually happens when something similar happens) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvetwater Posted August 30, 2016 #12 Share Posted August 30, 2016 looks like carnival may never go back to that port. and now the port will try to block any big ships from coming back (like what usually happens when something similar happens) Cruisers are not missing much in Messina...its a bit of a a bleh tbh. The lovely spots (Etna etc) can be reached by other ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted August 30, 2016 #13 Share Posted August 30, 2016 looks like carnival may never go back to that port. and now the port will try to block any big ships from coming back (like what usually happens when something similar happens) Where did you get the info they may not return from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamocall Posted August 30, 2016 #14 Share Posted August 30, 2016 looks like carnival may never go back to that port. and now the port will try to block any big ships from coming back (like what usually happens when something similar happens) Word from passengers on board is that local pilot was in control. Fingers crossed that is the case and Vista can visit on final Med cruises. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inco Posted August 31, 2016 #15 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Looks like there will be, or is, an opening for a new pilot in Messina. Have to wonder if the old guy might have been related to that infamous Captain of Costa fame. Nah.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamocall Posted August 31, 2016 #16 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Looks like there will be, or is, an opening for a new pilot in Messina. Have to wonder if the old guy might have been related to that infamous Captain of Costa fame. Nah.:rolleyes: Wish I had the training necessary, Ralph, would love to live in Sicily!! JaM x Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited August 31, 2016 by Jamocall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted August 31, 2016 Author #17 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Word from passengers on board is that local pilot was in control. Fingers crossed that is the case and Vista can visit on final Med cruises. I don't know enough about how much responsibility the pilot and captain share in these manoeuvres. Just because a pilot is present, doesn't necessarily mean the captain followed instructions fully. (I'm not suggesting the captain is adversely involved, simply that we don't know. It's not something any passengers would know either.) I saw it live but no idea. I didn't see a pilot boat though it's been said one was seen. I think it's fair to say a pilot would always be present in these situations in port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvetwater Posted August 31, 2016 #18 Share Posted August 31, 2016 It did a whoopsie last time Carnival had a European season in Italy. Check the Sunshine incident out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfF3eMYGvCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdia43 Posted August 31, 2016 #19 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Here's a video- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inco Posted August 31, 2016 #20 Share Posted August 31, 2016 The pilot has full control of the ship and is responsible. I believe it is also the law, or used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted August 31, 2016 Author #21 Share Posted August 31, 2016 And you know the captain followed the instructions to the letter because?...... I agree if he did then the pilot takes the hit, but that's a big assumption to make without knowing the full details which I'll make an assumption you don't have? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted September 2, 2016 #22 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Did the ship have to turn back? When is the ship notified what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLACRUISER99 Posted September 2, 2016 #23 Share Posted September 2, 2016 The only place in the world that the pilot is in control of the ship is the Panama Canal. This was 100% the Captains fault and responsibility, pilots only act in advisory capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 2, 2016 #24 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) The only place in the world that the pilot is in control of the ship is the Panama Canal. This was 100% the Captains fault and responsibility, pilots only act in advisory capacity. Maybe we can hang him now since you have pronounced him guilty. Crappy place for a marina. Maybe, just maybe, there are other facts that might influence us before we carry out the sentence. Sent from my iPhone Edited September 2, 2016 by jimbo5544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardhowson Posted September 2, 2016 #25 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) Maybe we can hang him now since you have pronounced him guilty. Maybe, just maybe, there are other facts that might influence us before we carry out the sentence. Sent from my iPhone Aargh ! If he is proven to be at fault, wouldn't they make him walk a plank ? Edited September 2, 2016 by lizardhowson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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