Raxter54 Posted December 15, 2016 #76 Share Posted December 15, 2016 http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/12/15/laid-off-carnival-worker-hires-lawyer-after-hes-forced-to-train-foreign-replacement.html Okay, if he's been laid off, Carnival can't force him to do anything, since he's no longer employed by Carnival, having been laid off and all. Guess being given 6 months notice, so he can start a job search and get paid while he's doing so, instead of being immediately fired, is not good enough.... Sent from my Galaxy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted December 15, 2016 #77 Share Posted December 15, 2016 For the persons who quoted the thousands of "jobs" Carnival has, how many employ Americans ? If you are also counting the spinoff jobs, a lot. This would include everyone who works at the Carnival US offices plus all the workers loading, supporting and suppling a Carnival ship every time it pulls into a US port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micahs Grandad Posted December 15, 2016 #78 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Okay, if he's been laid off, Carnival can't force him to do anything, since he's no longer employed by Carnival, having been laid off and all. Guess being given 6 months notice, so he can start a job search and get paid while he's doing so, instead of being immediately fired, is not good enough.... Sent from my Galaxy 4 Welcome to the real world, happened to my DW about 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS182 Posted December 15, 2016 #79 Share Posted December 15, 2016 When did I have a choice = being forced. He probably is right....he probably should have just been fired/laid off....He has a choice to keep employment 6 months past Christmas and find a new job or quit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winddawn Posted December 15, 2016 #80 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I read an interesting article about this today while looking at CCL stock news. I thought it was interesting how Carnival is spinning the situation. http://www.investopedia.com/news/carnivals-strange-job-transfer-situation-ccl/ I can understand how these IT workers must feel having to train their replacements overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winddawn Posted December 15, 2016 #81 Share Posted December 15, 2016 If you are also counting the spinoff jobs, a lot. This would include everyone who works at the Carnival US offices plus all the workers loading, supporting and suppling a Carnival ship every time it pulls into a US port. I wondered how many of Carnival's brands are affected by this IT outsourcing. Maybe it spans Carnival Corporation's other brands such as Princess and Holland America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadieN Posted December 15, 2016 #82 Share Posted December 15, 2016 When did I have a choice = being forced. He probably is right....he probably should have just been fired/laid off....He has a choice to keep employment 6 months past Christmas and find a new job or quit now. Being fired/laid off can get benefits. No benefits for quitters. Didn't the contract say that if they didn't sign they'd be treated as quitting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadieN Posted December 15, 2016 #83 Share Posted December 15, 2016 If you are also counting the spinoff jobs, a lot. This would include everyone who works at the Carnival US offices plus all the workers loading, supporting and suppling a Carnival ship every time it pulls into a US port. Shoreside (check in) personal are also outsourced. Long Beach was (?) one of the last to switch over. Benefits aren't as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted December 15, 2016 #84 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Being fired/laid off can get benefits. No benefits for quitters. Didn't the contract say that if they didn't sign they'd be treated as quitting? Constructive dismissal is not same as quitting. This may be Carnival's bargaining tactic to pressure the workers but a good labor lawyer acting for the laying off Carnival workers will likely disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted December 15, 2016 #85 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I wondered how many of Carnival's brands are affected by this IT outsourcing. Maybe it spans Carnival Corporation's other brands such as Princess and Holland America. It affects the entire company. Of the 200 positions, 140 are in South Florida. Sent from an iPhone using Tapatalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted December 15, 2016 #86 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Shoreside (check in) personal are also outsourced. Long Beach was (?) one of the last to switch over. Benefits aren't as good. Outsourcing is now a fact of life in the 21st century economy. So long as the replacement job stays in US and is done by another American worker, I am ok with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargate fan Posted December 17, 2016 #87 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I will no longer support Carnival cruise line and will be writing a letter to their corporate headquarters. There are a lot of things that I could say about the outsourcing company referenced in the article AND the IT support coming out of India but I will not. Let's just say that Carnival is making a HUGE mistake and will soon learn a costly lesson as a result. Many U.S. companies that have gone done the 'off-shore to India' model have scaled back tremendously or pulled contracts altogether. Sent from my iPhone using Forums You should research other companies that do the same. I bet you'll be quite surprised at all the companies you'll be boycotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealstuber Posted December 17, 2016 #88 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I read an interesting article about this today while looking at CCL stock news. I thought it was interesting how Carnival is spinning the situation. http://www.investopedia.com/news/carnivals-strange-job-transfer-situation-ccl/ I can understand how these IT workers must feel having to train their replacements overseas. If I was forced in to this situation, my trainees would get this as the final lesson: "Once I leave, you don't want me to have access to your PC, so be sure to go to the DOS prompt and type FORMAT C:" Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsfromsc Posted December 17, 2016 #89 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Not good at all. And since their web site is often problematic, outsourcing IT is going to only make it worse. This really irritates me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raxter54 Posted December 17, 2016 #90 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Not good at all. And since their web site is often problematic, outsourcing IT is going to only make it worse. This really irritates me. I think outsourcing it to a company that specializes in IT will improve it...alot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdGuyMG Posted December 17, 2016 #91 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Disney did it and is about to do it again. This has been going on for decades. :eek: Then I guess it IS Small World, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdGuyMG Posted December 17, 2016 #92 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Constructive dismissal is not same as quitting. This may be Carnival's bargaining tactic to pressure the workers but a good labor lawyer acting for the laying off Carnival workers will likely disagree. You should research other companies that do the same. I bet you'll be quite surprised at all the companies you'll be boycotting. According to the article: Sara Blackwell, a labor attorney who is advising the Carnival employees, said Carnival’s actions were announced last week during a series of meetings with the workers. Blackwell said Carnival’s moves are part of an ongoing trend across the country that has seen American jobs being lost overseas. She said in the last two years she has dealt with at least 30 companies who have done the exact same thing. Edited December 17, 2016 by AdGuyMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek78216 Posted December 17, 2016 #93 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hopefully Virgin Voyages will be able to acquire a few of these employees! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondietink Posted December 18, 2016 #94 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Then I guess it IS Small World, after all. Disney's website was bad before they outsourced. Now it is horrible. Years ago in the 1980's we had an IBM desktop computer. When we had issues and called tech support, we were connected to Ireland. The language barrier was terrible. Outsourcing has been going on for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4Cruisers Posted December 18, 2016 #95 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Whatever... It's none of my business. I am just a happy customer; not an employee or a stockholder. Thus, I don't know the whole story as I am an outsider. I'll let the stakeholders duke it out. In any event, if their website improves, then I'll be an even happier customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealstuber Posted December 18, 2016 #96 Share Posted December 18, 2016 We are already invested in 2 future cruises and we also own stock. This does not sound good. I am hoping for some positive feedback. Don't want to cancel the cruises and sell the stock, but I don't know if we have any moral alternative. Carnival, what say ye? Has it occurred to you that if Carnival has less business, they will need fewer employees in the US and abroad? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkbait2 Posted December 19, 2016 #97 Share Posted December 19, 2016 That was me, it got ugly Didn't I read someone state emphatically that John Heald said this was NOT happening? You mean Carnival is denying wrongdoing? No way! The CBS source I just provided has a statement from Carnival as well denying it. And yes, John Heald essentially repeated the same Carnival talking point. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted December 19, 2016 #98 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Even if CapGemini can deliver 40% savings to Carnival, that most likely saves Carnival $12 Million annually. There are more than 754 Million shares outstanding of the company. Carnival may be able to squeeze out an additional 2 cents per share from this, but that's a rounding error on a stock trading above $50 per share. Sent from an iPhone using Tapatalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted December 19, 2016 #99 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Even if CapGemini can deliver 40% savings to Carnival, that most likely saves Carnival $12 Million annually. There are more than 754 Million shares outstanding of the company. Carnival may be able to squeeze out an additional 2 cents per share from this, but that's a rounding error on a stock trading above $50 per share. Sent from an iPhone using Tapatalk. If your math is right, that's a repeating saving of $12M year after year. It can quickly add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted December 19, 2016 #100 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If your math is right, that's a repeating saving of $12M year after year. It can quickly add up. It all comes out in the sauce. The road is littered with hundreds of these types of things, all having various levels of success depending on the point of view. Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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