bobpell Posted October 23, 2017 #1 Share Posted October 23, 2017 The new Cruise Atlas does not state when the 14 HAL ships entered passenger service Does anyone have those dates? Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrimp56 Posted October 23, 2017 #2 Share Posted October 23, 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_America_Line#Current_fleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted October 23, 2017 #3 Share Posted October 23, 2017 http://www.cruisedeckplans.com. Choose HAL and it will show a profile of each ship. EM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 24, 2017 #4 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) see bottom line of this table for dates including month and day: https://www.hollandamerica.com/assets/news/FastFacts.pdf Edited October 24, 2017 by catl331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpell Posted October 24, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Thanks for the plethora of sites Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzardboy Posted October 24, 2017 #6 Share Posted October 24, 2017 If you go to the HAL site, click ONBOARD, then OUR MID-SIZED SHIPS, a page with all the ships will show up. Ship Details will answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 24, 2017 #7 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) If you go to the HAL site, click ONBOARD, then OUR MID-SIZED SHIPS, a page with all the ships will show up. Ship Details will answer your question.The pdf link in post #4 answered the question for all 14 ships, very concisely, with one click. Edited October 24, 2017 by catl331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summersigh Posted October 24, 2017 #8 Share Posted October 24, 2017 HOLLAND AMERICA LINE Nieuw Amsterdam 86,000 2010 Signature/Vista Eurodam 86,000 2008 Signature/Vista Noordam 82,318 2006 Vista Westerdam 81,811 2004 Vista Oosterdam 81,769 2003 Vista Zuiderdam 81,769 2002 Vista Zaandam 61,396 2000 R class Amsterdam 62,735 2000 R class Volendam 60,906 1999 R class Rotterdam 59,652 1997 R class Veendam 55,758 1996 S class Ryndam 55,819 1994 S class Maasdam 55,575 1993 S class Statendam 55,819 1993 S class Prinsendam 37,983 1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 24, 2017 #9 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) HOLLAND AMERICA LINE Nieuw Amsterdam 86,000 2010 Signature/Vista Eurodam 86,000 2008 Signature/Vista Noordam 82,318 2006 Vista Westerdam 81,811 2004 Vista Oosterdam 81,769 2003 Vista Zuiderdam 81,769 2002 Vista Zaandam 61,396 2000 R class Amsterdam 62,735 2000 R class Volendam 60,906 1999 R class Rotterdam 59,652 1997 R class Veendam 55,758 1996 S class Ryndam 55,819 1994 S class Maasdam 55,575 1993 S class Statendam 55,819 1993 S class Prinsendam 37,983 1988 Ryndam and Statendam are no longer HAL ships. The Prinsendam was built in 1988 but first sailed for HAL on 6/3/2002. The pdf link in post #4 showed this info, along with the month and day of each maiden voyage. Edited October 24, 2017 by catl331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennysUncle Posted October 24, 2017 #10 Share Posted October 24, 2017 What might be more important is the date of the most recent dry-dock for major refurbishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzardboy Posted October 24, 2017 #11 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The pdf link in post #4 answered the question for all 14 ships, very concisely, with one click. When I was studying Engineering, it was apparent pretty quickly that a lot of what we were learning was summarized in books of tables, manuals, etc. We were learning how they developed the answers contained in those reference materials. By pointing out where to find the answer on HAL's site, if the OP chose to look, who knows how many other questions might be answered. "Teach 'em to fish"....Did we get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 24, 2017 #12 Share Posted October 24, 2017 By pointing out where to find the answer on HAL's site, if the OP chose to look, who knows how many other questions might be answered. "Teach 'em to fish".Well, if they make a note of that link, I've just taught them how to find many answers about the ships besides the maiden voyage date ... just as someone once taught me about the link. Why teach someone the harder way to do something after someone has shown an easier way? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzardboy Posted October 24, 2017 #13 Share Posted October 24, 2017 BKR473759Why teach someone the harder way to do something after someone has shown an easier way? :p I asked that question at school a hundred times after discovering those manuals and tables mentioned earlier. I do encourage people to explore the HAL site. FAQ would seem an obvious place to start for a HAL newbie, yet many don't seem to have checked it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MVPinBoynton Posted October 25, 2017 #14 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Below is a list I put together for the sticky post about the ship of HAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobalink Posted October 26, 2017 #15 Share Posted October 26, 2017 If you are still looking at airfares... I booked our flights tonight. I check prices daily, and there was a HUGE drop in airline prices today. When researching our air travel, the first thing I check is duration, because I am willing to pay a little extra for a shorter flight. Fortunately, for this trip, the shortest duration is also the best price! Winner! Doing the happy dance! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 26, 2017 #16 Share Posted October 26, 2017 If you are still looking at airfares... I booked our flights tonight. I check prices daily, and there was a HUGE drop in airline prices today. When researching our air travel, the first thing I check is duration, because I am willing to pay a little extra for a shorter flight. Fortunately, for this trip, the shortest duration is also the best price! Winner! Doing the happy dance! :cool: :confused: I think you meant to post this on a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igraf Posted October 26, 2017 #17 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) With that data, one can see that the newer larger ships are also more crowded. I updated the data for the Vista class ships due to the recently added cabins up on top. The Vista ships used to all have ratios of 43. igraf ________________Passengers ___Tonnage___Space Ratio (less is more crowded) Koningsdam ________2,650______99,500_________37.5 Nieuw Amsterdam ___2,106______86,700_________41.2 Eurodam___________2,104______86,273_________41.0 Noordam___________1,924______82,318_________42.8 Westerdam_________1,916______82,348_________43.0 Oosterdam _________1,964______82,305_________41.9 Zuiderdam__________1,964______82,318_________41.9 Amsterdam _________1,380______62,735_________45.5 Zaandam ___________1,432 _____61,396_________42.9 Volendam ___________1,432 _____61,214_________42.7 Rotterdam___________1,404_____61,849 _________44.1 Veendam ___________1,350_____57,092__________42.3 Maasdam ___________1,258_____55,575 _________44.2 Prinsendam__________ 835_____37,983__________45.5 Edited October 26, 2017 by igraf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 26, 2017 #18 Share Posted October 26, 2017 With that data, one can see that the newer larger ships are also more crowded. I updated the data for the Vista class ships due to the recently added cabins up on top. The Vista ships used to all have ratios of 43. I know the numbers don't lie, but the K'dam felt less crowded to me on decks 2 and 3 because the aisles are wider in many spots. The promenade was definitely less crowded ... I think I never saw more than 6 people out there any time I was walking laps. With just a few wooden benches, it's no longer a popular area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MVPinBoynton Posted October 26, 2017 #19 Share Posted October 26, 2017 With that data, one can see that the newer larger ships are also more crowded. I updated the data for the Vista class ships due to the recently added cabins up on top. The Vista ships used to all have ratios of 43. igraf ________________Passengers ___Tonnage___Space Ratio (less is more crowded) Koningsdam ________2,650______99,500_________37.5 Nieuw Amsterdam ___2,106______86,700_________41.2 Eurodam___________2,104______86,273_________41.0 Noordam___________1,924______82,318_________42.8 Westerdam_________1,916______82,348_________43.0 Oosterdam _________1,964______82,305_________41.9 Zuiderdam__________1,964______82,318_________41.9 Amsterdam _________1,380______62,735_________45.5 Zaandam ___________1,432 _____61,396_________42.9 Volendam ___________1,432 _____61,214_________42.7 Rotterdam___________1,404_____61,849 _________44.1 Veendam ___________1,350_____57,092__________42.3 Maasdam ___________1,258_____55,575 _________44.2 Prinsendam__________ 835_____37,983__________45.5 Thanks for that info, I will have to update my schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldsc Posted October 26, 2017 #20 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Did you try typing "year hal ships entered service" into Google. Took me less than 1 minute to get the answer. DON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammiedawg Posted October 26, 2017 #21 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Space per passenger is the most important number but there are many inconsistencies on how that is calculated. I would not rely on Wikipedia or google to obtain accurate info, even on passenger capacity. It is my observation that the larger the ship the more organized activities there are. More movies, shows and programs to keep crowds in a confined space. If you are sailing a ship popular with families and kids the standard double occupancy ratio is meaningless. If there are lots of 3rd, 4th and 5th passengers occupying a cabin the meaningful ratio is the one for maximum passenger capacity. I’m referring to Disney, especially the newest ships Fantasy and Dream. You haven’t experienced crowding until you sail Fantasy, standard double occupancy is 2500 but maximum capacity is 4000. Voyages frequently have close to 4000 on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 27, 2017 #22 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If you are sailing a ship popular with families and kids the standard double occupancy ratio is meaningless. If there are lots of 3rd, 4th and 5th passengers occupying a cabin the meaningful ratio is the one for maximum passenger capacity. I’m referring to Disney, especially the newest ships Fantasy and Dream. You haven’t experienced crowding until you sail Fantasy, standard double occupancy is 2500 but maximum capacity is 4000. Voyages frequently have close to 4000 on board.Amen to that!! We went on the Dream in early Nov when most schools were in session figuring that would be a little better, but everywhere was crowded all the time. Even the supposed adult-only area was mobbed with teenagers. IIRC there were 3500 on board. The only thing I liked better on DCL than HAL was cycling through the three MDRs with the same waiters. Never again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igraf Posted October 27, 2017 #23 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I updated the data for the Vista class ships directly from the HAL ship information pages as I found older data elsewhere. Other interesting metrics might be passengers per serving/seating capacity of the lido buffet or passengers per gangway. :-) Actual passengers per cabin, as opposed to the assumed two per cabin, can certainly be a powerful factor. I would expect this to kick in during the summer and over the holidays. And also on any Disney cruise!!! igraf Space per passenger is the most important number but there are many inconsistencies on how that is calculated. I would not rely on Wikipedia or google to obtain accurate info, even on passenger capacity. It is my observation that the larger the ship the more organized activities there are. More movies, shows and programs to keep crowds in a confined space. If you are sailing a ship popular with families and kids the standard double occupancy ratio is meaningless. If there are lots of 3rd, 4th and 5th passengers occupying a cabin the meaningful ratio is the one for maximum passenger capacity. I’m referring to Disney, especially the newest ships Fantasy and Dream. You haven’t experienced crowding until you sail Fantasy, standard double occupancy is 2500 but maximum capacity is 4000. Voyages frequently have close to 4000 on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted October 27, 2017 #24 Share Posted October 27, 2017 With that data, one can see that the newer larger ships are also more crowded. I updated the data for the Vista class ships due to the recently added cabins up on top. The Vista ships used to all have ratios of 43. igraf ________________Passengers ___Tonnage___Space Ratio (less is more crowded) Koningsdam ________2,650______99,500_________37.5 Nieuw Amsterdam ___2,106______86,700_________41.2 Eurodam___________2,104______86,273_________41.0 Noordam___________1,924______82,318_________42.8 Westerdam_________1,916______82,348_________43.0 Oosterdam _________1,964______82,305_________41.9 Zuiderdam__________1,964______82,318_________41.9 Amsterdam _________1,380______62,735_________45.5 Zaandam ___________1,432 _____61,396_________42.9 Volendam ___________1,432 _____61,214_________42.7 Rotterdam___________1,404_____61,849 _________44.1 Veendam ___________1,350_____57,092__________42.3 Maasdam ___________1,258_____55,575 _________44.2 Prinsendam__________ 835_____37,983__________45.5 Thank you for the information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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