unvaxed conditions

[bones774]

how are unvax being treated onboard by crew and other pax?  severe discrimination? what's app. ratio vax/unvax.

talking US cruises now

thanks

[twangster]

Just off Meraviglia Aug. 6 sailing as a passenger who is vaccinated.  

 

There are signs at certain venues that indicate fully vaccinated.  

 

The pub is a vaccinated venue but I did see children to young to be vaccinated with parents.  No one made a fuss, they weren't told to leave by crew.  

 

The casino is vaccinated and I did see one guest having a discussion with a crew member that may have been related to this but I didn't stop to listen in.  I moved on to what I was doing.  

 

It's hard not to notice the large white vaccinated bands on other passengers but for me I didn't dwell on it or become fixated looking for wrist bands everywhere I went.  

 

MSC tested everyone at the terminal on my sailing, vax or unvax.  Unvaccinated were required to be tested before arriving at the terminal to check in.  The combination of the two make MSC one of the safest at sea right now (from Florida).  That also puts any vaccinated minds at ease when they see someone without a wristband.  They were tested twice so...

 

MSC chose the harder path of performing a CDC simulation cruise.  They did that so that unvaccinated could sail.  Their ship, their rules.  As a vaccinated guest if I don't like their policies I shouldn't board.  I don't see it being my place to cast shade on anyone else on board for any reason.  

 

On my cruise the shows had times for everyone and times for vaccinated only.  The "everyone" shows were earlier in the evening and prime time.  

 

I think if people look hard enough they can find something they won't like about protocols regardless if vaccinated or unvaccinated.  From what I observed MSC did a good job trying to find a balance between the two groups.  

 

YMMV.

  

[GA Dave]

6 hours ago, bones774 said:

how are unvax being treated onboard by crew and other pax?  severe discrimination? what's app. ratio vax/unvax.

talking US cruises now

thanks

About what you would expect.  🤣

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by GA Dave

[no1talks]

35 minutes ago, GA Dave said:

About what you would expect.  🤣

 

Rough on the ship, yes. Much worse on Ocean Cay, however.

[bones774]

2 hours ago, GA Dave said:

About what you would expect.  🤣

 

yeah, that's what I'm concerned about

[bones774]

4 hours ago, twangster said:

Just off Meraviglia Aug. 6 sailing as a passenger who is vaccinated.  

 

There are signs at certain venues that indicate fully vaccinated.  

 

The pub is a vaccinated venue but I did see children to young to be vaccinated with parents.  No one made a fuss, they weren't told to leave by crew.  

 

The casino is vaccinated and I did see one guest having a discussion with a crew member that may have been related to this but I didn't stop to listen in.  I moved on to what I was doing.  

 

It's hard not to notice the large white vaccinated bands on other passengers but for me I didn't dwell on it or become fixated looking for wrist bands everywhere I went.  

 

MSC tested everyone at the terminal on my sailing, vax or unvax.  Unvaccinated were required to be tested before arriving at the terminal to check in.  The combination of the two make MSC one of the safest at sea right now (from Florida).  That also puts any vaccinated minds at ease when they see someone without a wristband.  They were tested twice so...

 

MSC chose the harder path of performing a CDC simulation cruise.  They did that so that unvaccinated could sail.  Their ship, their rules.  As a vaccinated guest if I don't like their policies I shouldn't board.  I don't see it being my place to cast shade on anyone else on board for any reason.  

 

On my cruise the shows had times for everyone and times for vaccinated only.  The "everyone" shows were earlier in the evening and prime time.  

 

I think if people look hard enough they can find something they won't like about protocols regardless if vaccinated or unvaccinated.  From what I observed MSC did a good job trying to find a balance between the two groups.  

 

YMMV.

  

thanks for concise report. Sounds like MSC is doing the best they can.

Edited August 12, 2021 by bones774

[ditmar2007]

19 hours ago, twangster said:

It's hard not to notice the large white vaccinated bands on other passengers but for me I didn't dwell on it or become fixated looking for wrist bands everywhere I went.  

 

I'm vaccinated and going on a cruise in the Baltic Sea in 5 weeks. Does the above mean that you as a passenger can see who is vaccinated/immune and who is not when on board?

On one hand it is personal information, on the other hand I would feel safer if I could try to steer clear of the un-vaccinated when on board.

[twangster]

1 minute ago, ditmar2007 said:

 

I'm vaccinated and going on a cruise in the Baltic Sea in 5 weeks. Does the above mean that you as a passenger can see who is vaccinated/immune and who is not when on board?

On one hand it is personal information, on the other hand I would feel safer if I could try to steer clear of the un-vaccinated when on board.

 

For Florida based cruises guests who are vaccinated get a white wristband to denote being vaccinated.

 

 

I'm not sure what MSC will do in other regions.  

[styles27]

Yikes that will make for an interesting tan line on our wrist lol

[MarkusToe]

Within EU cruises , nothing....vax and unvaxed, same treatment

Edited August 13, 2021 by MarkusToe

[shoprat48092]

4 hours ago, ditmar2007 said:

 

I'm vaccinated and going on a cruise in the Baltic Sea in 5 weeks. Does the above mean that you as a passenger can see who is vaccinated/immune and who is not when on board?

On one hand it is personal information, on the other hand I would feel safer if I could try to steer clear of the un-vaccinated when on board.

NO, you will not be able to see who is vaccinated and unvaccinated on the U.S. sailings you will only be able to see who has chosen to disclose the personal information and prove they were vaccinated.  If someone does not choose to show they are vaccinated, they can still go on the ship etc and will have to follow the unvaccinated protocols. It will depend on if they choose to disclose the personal information.  They do not force anyone to disclose anything they do not wish to.

[alyssamma]

34 minutes ago, shoprat48092 said:

NO, you will not be able to see who is vaccinated and unvaccinated on the U.S. sailings you will only be able to see who has chosen to disclose the personal information and prove they were vaccinated.  If someone does not choose to show they are vaccinated, they can still go on the ship etc and will have to follow the unvaccinated protocols. It will depend on if they choose to disclose the personal information.  They do not force anyone to disclose anything they do not wish to.

Well, that's not exactly correct. The poster said they wanted to steer clear of unvaxxed...they can't *certainly* do that in the US by looking at the wristbands.

 

They might *also* stay clear of a few vaxed who for some unknown reason chose to purchase insurance they don't need and get a covid test they also don't need, but honestly, you'll prob want to stay clear of them too 🙂

 

Regardless, they can avoid unvaccinated pax. 

[ditmar2007]

1 hour ago, shoprat48092 said:

NO, you will not be able to see who is vaccinated and unvaccinated on the U.S. sailings you will only be able to see who has chosen to disclose the personal information and prove they were vaccinated.  If someone does not choose to show they are vaccinated, they can still go on the ship etc and will have to follow the unvaccinated protocols. It will depend on if they choose to disclose the personal information.  They do not force anyone to disclose anything they do not wish to.

I'm sailing out of Kiel Germany, but thanks anyhow.

[ditmar2007]

3 hours ago, MarkusToe said:

Within EU cruises , nothing....vax and unvaxed, same treatment

Thank you. That was what I expected. GDPR and all that 🙂

[deliver42]

NCL has the green light to ask for the vaccination proof. If you're not vaccinated, choose another line, or wait for an Oct 31st update.

[alyssamma]

30 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

NCL has the green light to ask for the vaccination proof. If you're not vaccinated, choose another line, or wait for an Oct 31st update.

They did choose another line...they chose MSC.

 

Perhaps you posted in the wrong board?

[jules815]

42 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

NCL has the green light to ask for the vaccination proof. If you're not vaccinated, choose another line, or wait for an Oct 31st update.

Are there actually vaccinated people out there who would choose to cruise without showing proof, lumping them in with the unvaxxed, because "my vaxx status is nobody's business but my own?"

[alyssamma]

5 hours ago, shoprat48092 said:

NO, you will not be able to see who is vaccinated and unvaccinated on the U.S. sailings you will only be able to see who has chosen to disclose the personal information and prove they were vaccinated.  If someone does not choose to show they are vaccinated, they can still go on the ship etc and will have to follow the unvaccinated protocols. It will depend on if they choose to disclose the personal information.  They do not force anyone to disclose anything they do not wish to.

Edited to replace "can't" with "can"

 

Well, that's not exactly correct. The poster said they wanted to steer clear of unvaxxed...they can *certainly* do that in the US by looking at the wristbands.

 

They might *also* stay clear of a few vaxed who for some unknown reason chose to purchase insurance they don't need and get a covid test they also don't need, but honestly, you'll prob want to stay clear of them too 🙂

 

Regardless, they can avoid unvaccinated pax. 

[bones774]

anyone know the rules for unvax using the gym?

thanks

[zackarykeef]

2 hours ago, bones774 said:

anyone know the rules for unvax using the gym?

thanks

On our recent cruise, unvaccinated could only use the gym 10a-4p and had to wear a mask. There’s another thread where someone posted a photo of the sign out front.

[ditmar2007]

On 8/13/2021 at 2:53 PM, twangster said:

 

For Florida based cruises guests who are vaccinated get a white wristband to denote being vaccinated.

 

 

I'm not sure what MSC will do in other regions.  

 

Someone mentioned that it is not the case in Europe. I presume it would violate GDPR.

[bones774]

1 hour ago, zackarykeef said:

On our recent cruise, unvaccinated could only use the gym 10a-4p and had to wear a mask. There’s another thread where someone posted a photo of the sign out front.

that's fine, I shoulda mentioned I was looking at FL based cruise

thanks

[tallnthensome]

6 hours ago, bones774 said:

that's fine, I shoulda mentioned I was looking at FL based cruise

thanks

I predict it will be just a matter of weeks before MSC requires vaccines,  especially out of Florida. 

[Shippy]

On 8/13/2021 at 2:50 PM, jules815 said:

Are there actually vaccinated people out there who would choose to cruise without showing proof, lumping them in with the unvaxxed, because "my vaxx status is nobody's business but my own?"

I would think that makes for a fairly crummy cruise. It is my understanding that if you do not declare you are vaccinated you incur other expenses...like testing and the covid insurance AND you are not allowed in some areas like the casino or pub....

who cares if they know I am vaccinated ? especially on a cruise where it is likely I will never see any of these people again !

[jules815]

8 minutes ago, Shippy said:

I would think that makes for a fairly crummy cruise. It is my understanding that if you do not declare you are vaccinated you incur other expenses...like testing and the covid insurance AND you are not allowed in some areas like the casino or pub....

who cares if they know I am vaccinated ? especially on a cruise where it is likely I will never see any of these people again !

Exactly!