No More $25 Casino Credit

[jimbo5544]

3 hours ago, IntrepidFromDC said:

In other cutback news, Carnival is delighted to announce that after the successful removal of tablecloths, they will now be getting rid of tables in the MDR.   Valued guests will instead be issued improved dual purpose bed comforters that will also serve as picnic blankets ("CPB's).  Guests will be required to bring their CPB's or entry to MDR will be denied.  Carnival is pleased to announce this new aspect of FUN.

But the really good news, is the bashing will continue here full force.  😏  for some, that is the real FUN. 

[BlerkOne]

16 minutes ago, mz-s said:

 

On the Legend last week, the crew just asked guests to eat over trash cans. (sarcasm)

As I was actually on Legend last week, I know this is not true. (Fact)

[Sailor75]

I posted last year Carnival assembled a team of people to revamp the VIFP program and received a lot of laughs and sarcastic responses. I met one of the team members at the diamond party on a cruise. One of the ideas the team was discussing was adding a black diamond level above the current diamond level. At this point, it was still in the early stages of discussion and nothing was concrete. I was concerned because Carnival only knows how to subtract, not add; and here they are already subtracting.

[BlerkOne]

I wonder how many people declared the $25 casino comp (or the free cruise comps) as income? It's all taxable, isn't it?

[PayneAS]

Just now, BlerkOne said:

I wonder how many people declared the $25 casino comp (or the free cruise comps) as income? It's all taxable, isn't it?

I think it has to be above a certain amount to be considered income. The IRS isn't gonna audit you over $25. But that would be pretty funny.

[n6uqqq]

9 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

What some people fail to realize is that the Carnival Cruise Lines doesn't control Casino promotions. By definition, promotions exist with the expectation of a certain ROI on the investment. When it fails to produce, the promotion no longer has value to the Casino.

 

People will call it what they want to, but the Casino is a business.

I agree Carnival has the right to do whatever they see fit. However, blaming this on the "casino" is just a game of semantics. Is the Casino not owned by CCL? 

[IntrepidFromDC]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

I wonder how many people declared the $25 casino comp (or the free cruise comps) as income? It's all taxable, isn't it?

Not sure about taxes, but I always ask for my $25 LOAN (not income) at the cashier, promising to pay it back in full, plus LOTS of interest, in seven days or less.  😁 🏴‍☠️

[icft]

6 minutes ago, n6uqqq said:

I agree Carnival has the right to do whatever they see fit. However, blaming this on the "casino" is just a game of semantics. Is the Casino not owned by CCL? 

Also, bringing the casino into it is very disingenuous. This was a VIFP perk listed along with all the other VIFP perks like priority boarding etc. It was not a casino perk.

[jimbo5544]

1 minute ago, icft said:

Also, bringing the casino into it is very disingenuous. This was a VIFP perk listed along with all the other VIFP perks like priority boarding etc. It was not a casino perk.

Huh?

[icft]

1 minute ago, jimbo5544 said:

Huh?

It's not complicated. If you looked under benefits for the VIFP program (you know, that thing with gold, platinum, diamond levels) you would have seen the old free tournament entry benefit listed under the benefits of the VIFP program. When covid came around you would have seen the footnote to the VIFP benefits saying that since there were no tournaments the were giving $25. All that was part of the VIFP benefits available to folks who never set foot in the casino. It was offered by Carnival, not the casino operation.

[MelAnne]

Can't tell you how many times we didn't claim it -- and how many times people said they claim & cash out, just taking the cash 

[jimbo5544]

15 minutes ago, icft said:

It's not complicated. If you looked under benefits for the VIFP program (you know, that thing with gold, platinum, diamond levels) you would have seen the old free tournament entry benefit listed under the benefits of the VIFP program. When covid came around you would have seen the footnote to the VIFP benefits saying that since there were no tournaments the were giving $25. All that was part of the VIFP benefits available to folks who never set foot in the casino. It was offered by Carnival, not the casino operation.

Who cares who offered it, who cares who pays for it (the Casino Operation, but I digress).  How is any of it disingenuous?  They have a perk, they remove a perk.  If they want, they can yank all the perks, nothing disingenuous about any of it.  Their ball game, their ball, their perks.  Hence the huh.

Edited June 9 by jimbo5544

[jimbo5544]

13 minutes ago, MelAnne said:

Can't tell you how many times we didn't claim it -- and how many times people said they claim & cash out, just taking the cash 

Seems like it was prime for the yanking, based on your view.

[icft]

4 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Who cares who offered it, who cares who pays for it (the Casino Operation, but I digress).  How is any of it disingenuous?  They have a perk, they remove a perk.  If they want, they can yank all the perks, nothing disingenuous about any of it.  Their ball game, their ball, their perks.  Hence the huh.

I agree. I was simply pointing out the error of saying the casino did it. Carnival did it. But as you said, their ball game. Just clarifying whose ballgame. As for disingenuous. By saying the casino did it at least 3 below applies. Knowing a little history, maybe more.

 

adjective

1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating.

2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.

3. Unaware or uninformed; naive.

 

As to who pays for it, while the contract between Carnival Cruise Line and Global Casino Operations may not have Carnival paying GCO $25 to hand out the money (it may be more or less depending on where Carnival Corp. wants profit to appear and how much their attorneys figure they can get away with before endangering the corporate veils), legally Carnival Cruise Line is paying for it.

[jimbo5544]

3 minutes ago, icft said:

I agree. I was simply pointing out the error of saying the casino did it. Carnival did it. But as you said, their ball game. Just clarifying whose ballgame. As for disingenuous. By saying the casino did it at least 3 below applies. Knowing a little history, maybe more.

 

adjective

1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating.

2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.

3. Unaware or uninformed; naive.

 

As to who pays for it, while the contract between Carnival Cruise Line and Global Casino Operations may not have Carnival paying GCO $25 to hand out the money (it may be more or less depending on where Carnival Corp. wants profit to appear and how much their attorneys figure they can get away with before endangering the corporate veils), legally Carnival Cruise Line is paying for it.

I think the real point it does matte, but that is just me.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, n6uqqq said:

I agree Carnival has the right to do whatever they see fit. However, blaming this on the "casino" is just a game of semantics. Is the Casino not owned by CCL? 

The casino is not owned or run by CCL, but by Carnival Global Casino Operations which is corporate.

 

GCO is not under any cruise line for management or accounting purposes 

 

 

 

 

[n6uqqq]

54 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

The casino is not owned or run by CCL, but by Carnival Global Casino Operations which is corporate.

 

GCO is not under any cruise line for management or accounting purposes 

 

 

 

 

Their website would suggest that it is owned by CCL just like Princess is owned by CCL and Holland America.To me CCL is Carnival Corp, the parent company to all of these.

Edited June 9 by n6uqqq

[seannyice81]

7 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Their website would suggest that it is owned by CCL just like Princess is owned by CCL and Holland America.To me CCL is Carnival Corp, the parent company to all of these.

Well, being owned by the big corporation makes it less binding than being directly owned by subsidiary Carnival Cruise Line. They can then make up their rules with each line under the umbrella w/o much (if any) recourse.

 

[IntrepidFromDC]

11 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Is the Casino not owned by CCL? 

The Casino is operated by Global Casino Services, the space allocation done via contract with Carnival.  The Casino dealers and staff are mostly GCS employees, not Carnival.  The bar staff and wait staff are Carnival employees.

 

Follow the link Global Casino Services (zendesk.com) and scroll to the bottom of the page to view the cruise lines GCS services.

Edited June 9 by IntrepidFromDC

[BlerkOne]

8 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Their website would suggest that it is owned by CCL just like Princess is owned by CCL and Holland America.To me CCL is Carnival Corp, the parent company to all of these.

 

 

Fair enough. But the organization of which Ms Duffy is President, doesn't control casino operations or promotions. The $25 was a casino promotion. The purpose was to get people into the casino, just as whatever eventually replaces it will be. Or the tournaments were. Carnival Cruise Line was just the messenger.

 

GCO is no different than a cruise line as far as being a profit center. It has a budget and an expected ROI. How it gets the ROI is up to GCO, not the individual cruise lines. Any money the casino makes or gives away doesn't go directly to, or come from, the cruise line.

 

It is no different than when various consumer goods companies donated free samples to Carnival Cruise Line to distribute to consumers. Carnival Cruise Line didn't get to pick and choose what they received and when the supply dried up, that promotion was done.

[IntrepidFromDC]

6 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Fair enough. But the organization of which Ms Duffy is President, doesn't control casino operations or promotions. The $25 was a casino promotion. The purpose was to get people into the casino, just as whatever eventually replaces it will be. Or the tournaments were. Carnival Cruise Line was just the messenger.

 

GCO is no different than a cruise line as far as being a profit center. It has a budget and an expected ROI. How it gets the ROI is up to GCO, not the individual cruise lines. Any money the casino makes or gives away doesn't go directly to, or come from, the cruise line.

 

It is no different than when various consumer goods companies donated free samples to Carnival Cruise Line to distribute to consumers. Carnival Cruise Line didn't get to pick and choose what they received and when the supply dried up, that promotion was done.

This is all correct.  GCO is part of the PARENT COMPANY, not part of Carnival Cruise Line.  Looking for a job?  They have openings and a public job fair June 13.

 

[mz-s]

9 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Their website would suggest that it is owned by CCL just like Princess is owned by CCL and Holland America.To me CCL is Carnival Corp, the parent company to all of these.

 

If I were discussing Carnival Corporation & PLC specifically, I would say Carnival Corp rather than CCL. To me, CCL singles out the flagship cruise line of Carnival Corporation.

[simplelife]

I think it's just flat wrong that people can purchase the same perks loyalty members have earned over time.

[Colorado Beach Bum]

None of the subsidiaries of Carnival corporate report their own earnings so isn’t it all just carnival corporate earnings?  What difference is it really?

[mz-s]

4 minutes ago, Colorado Beach Bum said:

None of the subsidiaries of Carnival corporate report their own earnings so isn’t it all just carnival corporate earnings?  What difference is it really?

 

It's just a way for some folks on here to avoid blaming Carnival directly even though it's a complete red herring.