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Hello all,

 

Not sure the best place for this so figured I'd start with the Italy section as it seems the most busy.

 

My wife and I have never been to Europe, planning a cruise for our 25th anniversary and have always wanted to do the Mediterranean.  I've started my own search through different cruise sites as well as cruise lines and I've found a few options for an itinerary plan that I think we would be interested in.  Interestingly, what we have prioritized for our first time (which I understand is an Eastern) doesn't seem to be the most popular.  

 

Briefly, what we have prioritized (doesn't have to be every single stop):

- Rome (Civitavecchia) - definitely want to see Rome (can be prior or after cruise since some start/end here)

- 1 or 2 other Italy stops - wife has Italian heritage and we have a good neighbor from there

- Athens (Piraeus) - definitely want to see Athens

- Greek isles - Santorini & Mykonos

- Ephesus (Kusadasi) - have a friend that lives near here

 

 

I lean toward the American lines that I'm familiar with (Royal Caribbean, Princess, Celebrity, etc.) and probably would prioritize Royal as they have the type of ship, venues, events, etc. that we enjoy.  I did search MSC but it seemed they don't even visit Rome at all. 

 

At the moment, I've found the most promise in the cruises offered on the Odyssey of the Seas.  And then second, the Majestic Princess - though I have no familiarity with the Princess experience.

 

 

Is there a line or itinerary I'm missing out on?  We've done Celebrity for an Alaskan cruise once and it just wasn't our scene so not interested in other similar lines that don't have many fun activities, etc. throughout the day.

 

 

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It sounds like Rome and Athens are the two places that most interest you, so I'd look for cruises that start in one and end in the other, so you can extend you time in each place.

 

Like this, for example:  Journey to Antiquities - 2024 Itinerary - Rome (Civitavecchia) to Athens (Piraeus) | Viking® (vikingcruises.com)

 

One thing that would pull me toward Viking is the absence of children, especially for an anniversary trip.

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If you are interested in seeing Venice, I would take a train there from Rome and spend two or three nights there before the cruise. Large ships cannot dock in Venice. They have to dock in ports that are 2-3 hours away. Then take the train back to Rome and visit for a couple of days at least. Another alternative is to fly directly to Venice for your stay and then take the train to Rome.  This would maximize your time at both places.  And that would make your anniversary trip even better.

 

Search this board for many suggestions on the train ride.  It is easy and fast.

 

You don't say how long a cruise you are looking for.  @euro cruiser's suggestion is a very good itinerary for the highlights.  A longer cruise would of course let you see more.

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Thanks for the great recommendations so far.

 

While I can certainly appreciate the appeal of a Viking cruise, they're out of my current price range.

 

I'm currently focused on the 9-12 night cruises on the Odyssey unless I find something better.

 

marazul - thanks for the great recommendations about Venice and Rome.  Likely will have several days either before, after or both if we depart and return from Rome.

 

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Royal has the Voyager of the Seas that has sailings from Athens to Rome that fit your favored itinerary with Ephesus in both June and October next year. Not a 9-12 day sailing, but you could use the extra days at the start and end to wander those two cities. 
 

I would strongly recommend starting or ending in one of them. Our first trip to Rome was a stop along the way on a Barcelona r/t. One day was not nearly enough time so we threw a coin into the Trevi Fountain to make sure we would return!🤓

 

I would also recommend Naples as a stop. Pompeii is like nothing else you will ever experience.

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We have cruised the Med on Princess, Celebrity, and Viking.  We have also cruised with Royal Caribbean in the Caribbean for the benefit of our grandson.

 

For us, Med cruising is more about the itinerary than the cruise line or ship.  Having said that, I would not choose Royal Caribbean.  RC is great for family cruising in the Caribbean, but not for the Med.

 

Don't discount Viking due to cost before putting the numbers on a spreadsheet.  Consider that Viking fares include airfare, some excursions in each port, specialty dining, laundry, and more.  You may be pleasantly surprised.

Having never been to Europe, I highly recommend you plan to spend a few days in your embarkation and disembarkation cities.  Your travel will not be inexpensive and you're flying a long way in both directions...make the most of your trip by enjoying Rome and Athens for a few days on each end.  Again, first European experience...give yourself time to get over jet lag and acclimate yourself to a different culture.

 

Enjoy your adventure...

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1 hour ago, -Lew- said:

 Having said that, I would not choose Royal Caribbean.  RC is great for family cruising in the Caribbean, but not for the Med.

 

 

Is there any information specifically as to why you say that?  Bad experiences, etc.?  Or you just don't like Royal's style and experience?

 

As I mentioned in my first post, my wife and I do enjoy Royal's style and experience and find ourselves bored to death on Celebrity.  Yes the Mediterranean is more about the places you visit but there's still time spent on the boat and the boat itself has to factor into that as far as what's offered, etc.

 

Is there any reason, based on what I said, that Viking would offer more or less than what Celebrity does?  

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These are all good suggestions... My opinion is for a trip like this I would be focusing on the itinerary and price. All of these mainstream cruiselines would be fine for me (Viking, Royal, Celebrity, etc.)   These trips are quite a bit different than a Caribbean trip.

 

Since you are mixing Italian stops with Greek stops, the choices of cruises that do both may be more limited, although that Viking cruise is a good suggestion.

 

Not sure what your requirements are for total trip time, but for sure tack on at least a couple nights pre cruise and hopefully 1 or 2 nights post cruise, even if you have to change to a 7 night cruise to meet your timing.     We sometimes book a flight home the same day as debarkation but frequently airlines will change transatlantic flight times a month or two ahead of time, causing issues with getting to the airport on time.  One hotel night post cruise helps with this issue, you will see loads of threads of people trying to figure out if they can make it from ship to airport on time after a flight time change.

 

I think Venice is a city everyone should try to see at least once, but if you add that to your list - your list grows, and you may need to drop another port so your trip doesn't grow to be too much.

 

Good luck, have fun planning.

 

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8 minutes ago, CCJack said:

These are all good suggestions... My opinion is for a trip like this I would be focusing on the itinerary and price. All of these mainstream cruiselines would be fine for me (Viking, Royal, Celebrity, etc.)   These trips are quite a bit different than a Caribbean trip.

 

Since you are mixing Italian stops with Greek stops, the choices of cruises that do both may be more limited, although that Viking cruise is a good suggestion.

 

Not sure what your requirements are for total trip time, but for sure tack on at least a couple nights pre cruise and hopefully 1 or 2 nights post cruise, even if you have to change to a 7 night cruise to meet your timing.     We sometimes book a flight home the same day as debarkation but frequently airlines will change transatlantic flight times a month or two ahead of time, causing issues with getting to the airport on time.  One hotel night post cruise helps with this issue, you will see loads of threads of people trying to figure out if they can make it from ship to airport on time after a flight time change.

 

I think Venice is a city everyone should try to see at least once, but if you add that to your list - your list grows, and you may need to drop another port so your trip doesn't grow to be too much.

 

Good luck, have fun planning.

 

 

Thanks.

 

We will certainly add time on to the beginning and end of the trip as it's looking like Rome may be the start and end of our journey.  And definitely agree that trying to fly in/out on embarkation or disembarkation days can be a real challenge and should be avoided if possible.  My thinking at the moment is that if we're traveling all that way and incurring the costs of transatlantic flights, etc. we'll probably plan to stay 14 days total.

 

I didn't realize I walked into the Viking recommendation forum :classic_biggrin: - they certainly seem to have some loyal cruisers here.  I fully understand that they offer a premium experience with premium features and a premium price.  Not saying I'm writing them off completely...we will see.

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13 minutes ago, marazul said:

If possible, try to find a cruise that begins and ends in different places, like Rome and Athens. Both cities need the extra time. 

 

Certainly a good idea....seems to be even more of a unicorn than just wanting an eastern med with Italy/Greece/Turkey.  Or the ones that do start in Rome/end in Athens or vice versa, then I miss out on places like Mykonos or Santorini or Ephesus. 

 

Will keep looking.

 

Anyone know of a good site that has some pretty deep filters where I could search based on these requirements?  Many times I can't seem to do better than "Europe" and then either a length, departure port or brand/ship....I found one site that would let me specify the ports I wanted, but then it would return any cruises that had at least 1 of those....

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On 6/26/2024 at 6:54 PM, ST1TCH said:

Hello all,

 

Not sure the best place for this so figured I'd start with the Italy section as it seems the most busy.

 

My wife and I have never been to Europe, planning a cruise for our 25th anniversary and have always wanted to do the Mediterranean.  I've started my own search through different cruise sites as well as cruise lines and I've found a few options for an itinerary plan that I think we would be interested in.  Interestingly, what we have prioritized for our first time (which I understand is an Eastern) doesn't seem to be the most popular.  

 

Briefly, what we have prioritized (doesn't have to be every single stop):

- Rome (Civitavecchia) - definitely want to see Rome (can be prior or after cruise since some start/end here)

- 1 or 2 other Italy stops - wife has Italian heritage and we have a good neighbor from there

- Athens (Piraeus) - definitely want to see Athens

- Greek isles - Santorini & Mykonos

- Ephesus (Kusadasi) - have a friend that lives near here

 

 

I lean toward the American lines that I'm familiar with (Royal Caribbean, Princess, Celebrity, etc.) and probably would prioritize Royal as they have the type of ship, venues, events, etc. that we enjoy.  I did search MSC but it seemed they don't even visit Rome at all. 

 

At the moment, I've found the most promise in the cruises offered on the Odyssey of the Seas.  And then second, the Majestic Princess - though I have no familiarity with the Princess experience.

 

 

Is there a line or itinerary I'm missing out on?  We've done Celebrity for an Alaskan cruise once and it just wasn't our scene so not interested in other similar lines that don't have many fun activities, etc. throughout the day.

 

 

 

 

Hello:
MSC does not operate from Civitavecchia to the eastern Mediterranean because all the cruises it organizes are loop type and from there it would not compensate.
MSC operates from Civitavecchia to the Western Mediterranean and has several ships (I think up to four) stopping every week.

However, you have MSC trips to the Adriatic and Greece from Venice and from Bari.

Please note that from Rome it takes 4 hours to Bari and 4:30 hours to Venice by Frecciarossa (= Red Arrow) high-speed train.

I suggest you consider...
- fly to Rome. Surely you have a direct flight
- visit Rome
- Train to cruise origin: Bari or Venice.
- Cruise
- Visit Bari or Venice when you finish
- Fly back home (from Bari you will surely have to transfer, from Venice there may be intercontinental flights)

possible cruises you have with MSC
- 9 nights through Athens, Istanbul and Greek islands. Start in Bari or Venice (boarding possible in both)
- 7 nights around Athens and all the Greek islands from Bari
- 7 nights through Athens, Santorini and Montenegro from Venice
- 7 nights through Croatia, Montenegro, Greek islands from Bari and Venice
- ..

 

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Anyway, I just went on a cruise that passed through Civitavecchia (and Rome is definitely not possible to visit in a single day).

I have visited two Spanish cities (Barcelona and the island of Mallorca), one French (Cannes, on the Côte d'Azur) and three Italian cities (Rome, the towns of Cinque Terre and Genoa plus a day of sailing.

There are multiple variants. Some change La Spezia (Cinque Terre) for Palermo (on the island of Sicily) and even for a stopover in Malta.
Or change Mallorca for Ibiza and even stop in Tunisia, in North Africa. Or....there are many options.

Even in the itinerary I made, you can replace the excursion to those picturesque Italian towns with a visit to Florence (it is a long bus trip but it is possible).


I say this because if you look on the map, Rome is on the western Mediterranean side and almost all the cruises that leave will go there. If you want to go to the eastern Mediterranean you must leave from Bari or Venice. If you ask for Rome+Athens the options are greatly reduced.

On these cruises you can board almost any port. That is, you can take a flight to Barcelona, board there and Rome would be one of the stopovers.


Oh, keep in mind that it is 1h30m from the port of Civitavecchia to Rome

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On 6/27/2024 at 2:35 PM, ST1TCH said:

As I mentioned in my first post, my wife and I do enjoy Royal's style and experience and find ourselves bored to death on Celebrity.  Yes the Mediterranean is more about the places you visit but there's still time spent on the boat and the boat itself has to factor into that as far as what's offered, etc.

Not interested in other similar lines that don't have many fun activities, etc. throughout the day.

 

You said this, which is quite an odd thing for someone visiting "the Med" for the first time to say. Are you planning to stay onboard for significant amounts of each day instead of going ashore?  Only asking as it is more common for daytime activities to be of little interest when porting in European cities and towns. If you do plan on taking part in onboard daytime activities, the itinerary itself will not be a priority, the ship will be.  Having said that, if I  have  misunderstood, some of the following suggestions might help you choose.

 

Med cruises can be quite exhausting as distances between ports are short so not uncommon to have multiple days at sea without frequent sea days. And days ashore can be long depending on your port and distance from the "headline" city or town. After a few days of this, evening entertainment can lose some of its appeal, especially if you have returned from an 8 or 9 hour tour or day ashore and have a similar one planned for the following day, and possibly another the day after that.

 

You should look carefully at distances between the "actual" ports and the "headline" ports as longer days ashore are preferable to shorter ones.There are a number of these but the most well known and frequently used in cruiseline marketing, would be le Havre (Paris), Civitavecchia (Rome) and Trieste or Ravenna (Venice) Don't be fooled into thinking you will be able to step ashore in the "headline" city and begin sightseeing.  You won't!

 

Compare port arrival and departure times should you have narrowed your choices down to a small number. EG not much point in an early arrival such as 0600 if the departure time is 1300 or 1400. Likewise an arrival of eg 1600 isn't of much interest if the departure time is 2200.

 

And size matters too.  Check itineraries carefully for any indications of tender ports. RCCL ships are mostly "big girls" and may have to tender instead of dock, and tendering from and back onboard can use up valuable shore time, as the bigger the ship the longer it usually takes unless you have special status which gives you tender priority..

 

And try to avoid the hottest months if you can.

 

And expect crowds almost everywhere too as popular European cities and towns/regions have become ever more crowded in recent years with many suffering from "overtourism". You won't be lonely!

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Can I also suggest looking at some of the 'Live From' threads for Mediterranean cruises? It'll give you a good sense of which ports are busy/tender-only, as well as how people experienced the port times and lack of days at sea. You might also be surprised how few people say they did evening entertainment, and instead went to the buffet followed by an early night! 

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Hello

 

Things I think you should consider

 

- From Rome, almost all cruises go to the south of France and west of Spain for mere geographical reasons.

 

- If you want to go to Greece the easiest is from Venice and Bari. Of course there are also from Rome but much less.

 

- In Europe it is very common to travel by train. They are high-speed trains and quite comfortable. The strange thing is taking a trip of several hours by plane. As an example, Alitalia has 4 flights between Rome and Venice while Trenitalia has a train almost every 30 minutes!!!!

 

- Keep in mind the location of the ports. Rome is 1h30m from Civitavecchia. Florence is 1h30m from Livorno (and Paris is... very far from Le Havre). However, Marseille, Barcelona, Athens, etc... have the port quite centrally located. The best case, without a doubt, is Genoa. As soon as you leave the maritime terminal you have a metro stop.

 

- Something very important. For cruises in Europe the "destination is not the ship." The destination is the ports. That is to say, people choose one cruise or another paying close attention to the ports they will stop at. Most disembark in the cities to visit them (it can be with the cruise, it can be DIY) and the number of activities on the ship while it is docked is very low.

 

They plan them in the afternoon when people have returned.

 

With what you have mentioned, I would opt for
- Option 1. Fly to Rome, visit Rome. Train to Venice, cruise from Venice to Greece and return. Visit Venice, return by plane from Venice


- Option 2. Fly to Rome, visit Rome. Cruise through the Western Mediterranean. Review one that has several scales that interest you. Return from Rome. You can even visit Florence before returning

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Although their ships may be a polar opposite from the big/HUGE ships of lines already mentioned, I’d like to share recent and upcoming itineraries we’ve done or booked with WINDSTAR. There is something very special planned for their itineraries that include EPHESUS which is important to you. 
 

First to mention they have 2 VERY different types of ships ….. their “Sailing Yachts” with large Sails for a true yacht like sail experience, or, what I prefer, their MOTOR Yachts.  All Motor Yachts have just over 300 passenger capacity, as does the Windsurf Sailing Yacht. 
the Motor yacht cabins are very big at 277’, with large living area, walk in closets, his and her sinks, etc.   Some cabins have Juliet style balconies.  The sailing yacht cabins are 188’.  We honeymooned on a Windstar sailing yacht, Athens to Istanbul in 2009.  We are doing a second honeymoon this October on their Star Legend motor Yacht, also Athens to Istanbul with a few ports that vary from the honeymoon itinerary.  They do have cruises that start in Italy to Greece, sometimes include Ephesus (port of Kusadasi 25 min ride) if returning to Athens, as well as if you end in Istanbul as we did in 2009 spending 4 days there - fascinating place.  Yes, Mykonos and Santorini are usually included.

 

EPHESUS SPECIAL EVENT - Exclusive to Windstar:  We visited Ephesus in 2009 taking a several hour tour of this “city” very important in ancient and biblical times.  We will do that again this October when STAR LEGEND is in port from 8 am until 11 pm (nice long day).  The new special event:  in the evening when tourists are gone, Windstars 300 (or less) passengers have exclusive access to Ephesus where they enjoy cocktails, a 5 course white gloved seated dinner, candlelight and music by some members of the Aegean Chamber Orchestra.  I can’t wait.

 

I should mention, like you, we wanted to have time in Italy too as part of our “second honeymoon”. We’ve done our own land stays in much of Italy before (Como, Venice, Tuscany, Cinque Terre, Rome, Naples/Sorrento).  We will be spending 11 days in Italy before joining the cruise in Athens…. 4 nights in Amalfi …. Then a week touring a new area that everyone now has on their list, ie PUGLIA in the SE heel of the boot.  We will fly from BARI to Athens for this Windstar cruise. 

 

Windstars small ships allow for up close docking in many Mediterranean ports.  We did a classic Med itinerary on Star Legend in late March, Rome to Barcelona.  We were docked for 2 days in the small harbor right at NICE old town and what a lovely experience that was, especially since we had one of the Juliet balcony cabins.  In Marseille we were similarly docked right at the town.  
 

sign up for Windstar weekly deals announced every Thursday …..several voyages offered at a special discount that week.  
 

if anyone is looking for an intimate experience, in a large beautiful cabin, at a price more affordable than Viking (we splurged last year to give it a try) and other small ship luxury brands, check out Windstar.

 

For a larger ship experience at a better price point we favor Holland America.  Last year we did a 14 night Australia- New Zealand cruise on Noordam, and did our first MED cruise, 12 nights, in 2018 on OOSTERDAM from Venice to Rome (included Croatia, Albania, Crete, Mykonos, Sicily, 2 days in MALTA ❤️, Naples) 

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On 7/1/2024 at 4:44 AM, alserrod said:

 

 

Hello:
MSC does not operate from Civitavecchia to the eastern Mediterranean because all the cruises it organizes are loop type and from there it would not compensate.
MSC operates from Civitavecchia to the Western Mediterranean and has several ships (I think up to four) stopping every week.

However, you have MSC trips to the Adriatic and Greece from Venice and from Bari.

Please note that from Rome it takes 4 hours to Bari and 4:30 hours to Venice by Frecciarossa (= Red Arrow) high-speed train.

I suggest you consider...
- fly to Rome. Surely you have a direct flight
- visit Rome
- Train to cruise origin: Bari or Venice.
- Cruise
- Visit Bari or Venice when you finish
- Fly back home (from Bari you will surely have to transfer, from Venice there may be intercontinental flights)

possible cruises you have with MSC
- 9 nights through Athens, Istanbul and Greek islands. Start in Bari or Venice (boarding possible in both)
- 7 nights around Athens and all the Greek islands from Bari
- 7 nights through Athens, Santorini and Montenegro from Venice
- 7 nights through Croatia, Montenegro, Greek islands from Bari and Venice
- ..

 

 

While most of the MSC cruises that include Civitavecchia are of the western Med variety, there are options that include eastern.  We were on the MSC Divina from May 17-24 of this year.  The cruise began and ended in Civitavecchia.  Port calls included Mykonos, Santorini, Izmir (the other port in Turkey from which you can get to Ephesus) and Naples.  I don't believe they have options that include Athens (Piraeus) and I also don't know if the eastern Med itinerary is available year round although I do know it is available on Divina next Spring as well.

 

 

 

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On 6/27/2024 at 5:10 AM, -Lew- said:

 

For us, Med cruising is more about the itinerary than the cruise line or ship.  Having said that, I would not choose Royal Caribbean.  RC is great for family cruising in the Caribbean, but not for the Med.

 

 

May I offer a slant on that thought?  We have taken four Royal Caribbean cruises in the Caribbean.  We have also taken Royal Caribbean around Italy and again Rome to U.S.  Royal Caribbean does a good job of being Royal Caribbean and we really enjoyed both of those.  If you are expecting Seabourn, forget it!  However, in our experience Royal Caribbean in the Caribbean and in Europe are quite different.  In Europe there was a lot less kids, more Brits and Europeans and the whole thing was more...erm...civilized.

 

(for reference, we have been on Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Azamara, Princess, Holland America, Cunard, Seabourn, Regent)

 

Here's another point.  Before we cruised the Med we got talking to an American couple who had cruised the Med.  Get up, have breakfast, off the ship, tour all day, back on board, grab some dinner, crash.  Next morning, get up, have breakfast, off the ship.....day after day.  They were exhausted when they got home and swore 'never again'.  Note to self:  you can learn from other people's mistakes, you haven't got time to make them all yourself.

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2 hours ago, Fairgarth said:

May I offer a slant on that thought?

 

Thank you for your point of view, @Fairgarth...very much appreciated.

 

Our three Royal Caribbean cruises with our grandson were in suites on Oasis, Allure, and Anthem.  Our grandson had a wonderful time.  As I stated previously, I believe Royal Caribbean is great for family cruising in the Caribbean, but I wouldn't choose it for sailing as a couple anywhere else.  As Princess cruisers at the time, we felt dining and entertainment on RC did not come close to what we were accustomed...even in the dedicated restaurants for suites.

 

Since then we have left Princess, after 50 cruises, and are cruising on Regent, Viking, and Celebrity.  With so many cruise lines, there is at least one that will fit just about everyone.

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I'm booked voyager may 2025. TA to barcelona out of PC. Barcelona 10 days to rome. Some booked the 3rd leg, 7 days ending in athens. The price was right. I'm solo and higher loyalty enough to get the DP340 25% off plus group rates and balcony discounts.

 

2 legs or 3, at the lower prices for solo that was the only question. I decided to do 2 legs and end in rome. Spend 4 days in rome, then flying to miami over night. Leg 3 if you want to end in athens instead of rome.  Group prices were right. Only was $30 more for a oceanview balcony on TA over a inside.

 

Leg 1

 

VISITING:

  • Orlando (Port Canaveral), Florida
  • Ponta Delgada, Azores
  • Málaga, Spain
  • Cartagena, Spain
  • Palma De Mallorca, Spain
  • Barcelona, Spain

 

Leg 2

 

VISITING:
  • Barcelona, Spain
  • Ajaccio, Corsica
  • Sardinia (Cagliari), Italy
  • Sicily (Palermo), Italy
  • Santorini, Greece
  • Athens (Piraeus), Greece
  • Mykonos, Greece
  • Naples / Capri, Italy
  • Rome (Civitavecchia), Italy
+ View Ports & Map

 

 

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On 7/9/2024 at 8:19 AM, RavenCruiser said:

 

While most of the MSC cruises that include Civitavecchia are of the western Med variety, there are options that include eastern.  We were on the MSC Divina from May 17-24 of this year.  The cruise began and ended in Civitavecchia.  Port calls included Mykonos, Santorini, Izmir (the other port in Turkey from which you can get to Ephesus) and Naples.  I don't believe they have options that include Athens (Piraeus) and I also don't know if the eastern Med itinerary is available year round although I do know it is available on Divina next Spring as well.

 

 

 

We just booked this for next June!

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Nice.  I have a review of our experience, including travel from FCO to Civitavecchia as well as our time there, on the MSC board, although I haven't gotten to the ports/excursions part yet.  I would be happy to answer any questions you may have,

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