Polish Falcon Posted August 4, 2004 #1 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Check Out This Article From Cruise Junkie........ http://www.cruisejunkie.com/events.html Where was Security? How Could This Happen? What if they were terrorists instead of teenagers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted August 4, 2004 #2 Share Posted August 4, 2004 This was posted all over the board earlier this week (most of them pulled I believe)... kids play pranks, you could tell they were kids from what PAX were saying... I would think that terrorists would have come up with a better plan than this... It was a VERY isolated incident and has not happened before... I say, go to the muster drill and learn the procedures then you can decipher for yourself what is a valid announcement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dromMOM Posted August 4, 2004 #3 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Gee.. I don't know.. the prank is just that... but this overbooking...not nice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted August 4, 2004 #4 Share Posted August 4, 2004 LOL Drom, I was just thinking the same thing... Carnival seems to be doing more overbooking these days! Which I guess is a good thing that they are selling so fast, but time to build more ships faster!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halos Posted August 4, 2004 #5 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Looking down that list quickly, I am thinking that RCI has the biggest problem with 2 reported sexual assaults!!! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2J Posted August 4, 2004 #6 Share Posted August 4, 2004 This was posted all over the board earlier this week I would think that terrorists would have come up with a better plan than this... I say, go to the muster drill Yeah, reminds me of the 66 1/2 Johnny Rocket's threads earlier this year on the "other" board. You think? I dunno....making an announcement to abandon ship in the wee hours of the morning seems like I good plan to me?? I think I'd be more worried about something along the lines of the USS Cole or aquiring a piece of "Naval" (no....not belly button ;)) hardware like an Exocit(sp) (French - we know where "their" loyaties lie) or possibly a miniature sub-surface vessel. Muster Drill?? What the heck is a Muster Drill?? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckpan Posted August 4, 2004 #7 Share Posted August 4, 2004 To tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of reading all the jokes you all are making about this prank. I have three young kids cruising with me later this month and if this happened on my cruise, I would have had a heart attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJ24 Posted August 4, 2004 #8 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Halos,I was thinking the same exact thing. A teenage girl was given alcohol AND sexually assaulted.....by Royal Carribean crewmembers!!!....not other passengers. That sounds much more serious than the hoax to me. In fact, of all those problems reported on that link, Carnival seemed to come out o.k. compared to some of the other lines and Carnival books a helluva lot more cruiuses too. Apparently, Polish Falcon has personal issues with Carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted August 4, 2004 #9 Share Posted August 4, 2004 ckpan, if you go to the muster drill, you will understand that the captain would never come on and say "everyone needs to abandon ship"... Kids play pranks, but if you use your best judgement, and understand the procedures in place, you can generally figure them out... First thing that would have clued me in would have been the lack of foreign accent, LOL... are there ANY English speaking (teenage sounding at that) captains these days???? LOL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2J Posted August 4, 2004 #10 Share Posted August 4, 2004 To tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of reading all the jokes you all are making about this prank. I have three young kids cruising with me later this month and if this happened on my cruise, I would have had a heart attack. Please. It was a "prank"...nothing more...nothing less. Haven't a clue where you're located in relation to NYC and frankly I don't care but for some of us that were there, witnessed the events first hand, or had friends or loved ones that did survive the events of 9/11 it was a reality that may or may not only be dealt with in a humorous manner. While I know "we" in the DC area try to go about our daily lives it's hard to forget and sometimes a little humor helps. Maybe it's the same for others? If you are concerned about an emergency while at sea with the little ones, maybe you should leave them with a trusted relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdawson Posted August 4, 2004 #11 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Jersey. If memory serves me well, I think the parents waited a year to file suit/claim? The delay is suspect. Of course Royal Caribbean and Carnival both have deep pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polish Falcon Posted August 4, 2004 Author #12 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Dear GoinCruisin: This was news to me today. I do not check cruise junkie every day. Why would these posts and news of this event @ sea be deleted? Thanks. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristikae Posted August 4, 2004 #13 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Sorry but we dont' allow the discussion of post removals on the boards. I can say that any posts that were removed violated our guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted August 4, 2004 #14 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Ted, I have never looked at that site... but this story has been floating around all week... many of them turned ugly because there was so much speculation. And then it just became ridiculous because at one point, there had to be 10 threads on the board about it... more threads on that than there were about the person who had the heart attack and had to be air lifted out... priorities, priorities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohavemommy Posted August 4, 2004 #15 Share Posted August 4, 2004 With terrorism big these days, it makes one uneasy about reports of anyone entering "secure" areas. Just because these teens think it was a prank doesn't mean it can't cause harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Cruise Junky Posted August 4, 2004 #16 Share Posted August 4, 2004 The fact that some of you think this is funny and just a prank is absolutely amazing to me.. no wonder Carnival has such a bad rep. It's passengers certainly aren't helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioJeff Posted August 4, 2004 #17 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Well, looks like this thread will be history very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hstrybuf Posted August 4, 2004 #18 Share Posted August 4, 2004 The perpetrators were not caught and it would be libel (when written, slander when spoken) to point a finger at any one person as being responsible. It would have been frightening for sure, but when the horn doesn't blow too, then you have to think something isn't quite right. Thus a hoax that caused a lot of distress to the passengers and crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNobody Posted August 4, 2004 #19 Share Posted August 4, 2004 The fact that some of you think this is funny and just a prank is absolutely amazing to me.. no wonder Carnival has such a bad rep. It's passengers certainly aren't helping. UH OH!!!!!:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polish Falcon Posted August 4, 2004 Author #20 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Dear JerseyJ24 - Why would you say this? I am hurt. These teenagers gained access to a secure communication device, perhaps from the Bridge, and made a hoax announcement. What if they were trained terrorists? Imagine the damage they could have done if they gained access to other secured equipment. Engine controls, radar, steering gear, fuel tanks, ballast tanks, power systems, etc. etc. the list is endless. This was an extremly serious breakdown of security and could have been a seaborne 9/11......I would be writing this regardless of cruise line name! Thanks, Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted August 4, 2004 #21 Share Posted August 4, 2004 No, not funny... prank yes. I'm not sure why this would give Carnival a bad rep... because we all didn't freak out about a prank... because we all go to the muster drill (well, except Liv ;) ) and know the procedures for an emergency situation? I think it actually proves that people that sail Carnival are smart... as they know that an English speaking kid that says "abandon ship" is a prank, and that had there been a real emergency, the procedures in place would have been announced. Sure, it was a bad prank... the kids should be punished... but to devote days and days and days and freaking people out about it and mentioning terrorism is not the way to go about reporting this... it was a prank, a very isolated one at that... rumor has it, it was made from the dining room (just rumor) but if that is the case, I don't see a huge security threat arising from this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristikae Posted August 4, 2004 #22 Share Posted August 4, 2004 For the record the announcement was made from the Maitre' d station...not the bridge or any other "secure" area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hstrybuf Posted August 4, 2004 #23 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Thanks for clearing that up Kristi. I had not heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Got2Cruise Posted August 4, 2004 #24 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Please. It was a "prank"...nothing more...nothing less. Haven't a clue where you're located in relation to NYC and frankly I don't care but for some of us that were there, witnessed the events first hand, or had friends or loved ones that did survive the events of 9/11 it was a reality that may or may not only be dealt with in a humorous manner. While I know "we" in the DC area try to go about our daily lives it's hard to forget and sometimes a little humor helps. Maybe it's the same for others? If you are concerned about an emergency while at sea with the little ones, maybe you should leave them with a trusted relative. And, I suppose you think that yelling FIRE in a movie theater is a prank also? Believe me, the people on the cruise did not think it was a little prank. The crew were afraid people were going to jump overboard. It was reported in all the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinCruisin Posted August 4, 2004 #25 Share Posted August 4, 2004 And, I suppose you think that yelling FIRE in a movie theater is a prank also? Believe me, the people on the cruise did not think it was a little prank. The crew were afraid people were going to jump overboard. It was reported in all the papers. It was not reported in any of our papers, and the posts the other day were referencing how this was only in one or two papers and how it must be a conspiracy to "cover it up"... I think the problem is that people read too much and don't pay attention to facts... there were several people here actually ON the ship... they told the account as it happened... I generally go by the fire alarm in the movie theatre, or the sight/smell of smoke... Or corroborated evidence that there is indeed Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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