icemaiden Posted November 4, 2007 #101 Share Posted November 4, 2007 hi peter i do understand that it is not nice to breathe in other peoples 2nd hand smoke and as an x-smoker you must know how hard it is to give up, especially when we enjoy our cigarettes, we do know that it isnt good for our health the problem is that we dont need some people driving down our throats every day ( AND I`M NOT SAYING YOU) telling us it isnt healthy, i have tried 3 times and always fell back , but i will try again but when nonsmokers have got some concessions in smoking ban areas they still like to have their moans and in some ways it makes me really angry and determind to keep smoking cause their trying to dictate to me what i should and shouldnt do, sorry if this doesnt come across correct but this is the feelings of other smokers i know also a fellow cruiser linda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #102 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I don't smoke around children or old folks. (like me) What do you have against the people in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaandam_2 Posted November 4, 2007 #103 Share Posted November 4, 2007 There are more non-smokers than smokers. and? a business is not a democracy. as i've said before, until the is a business reason - dollars - why would princess change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #104 Share Posted November 4, 2007 so you were on a ship, going 22 knots, in the middle of the pacific (where i'm sure there are strong winds - just like the transatlantics i've done ) and smoke was filling your balcony. LOL! oh my, and you could smell it, all over. how horrible :rolleyes: you should've gotten a free cruise. I guess complaining to the captain didn't warrant a free cruise. And actually, the smoke was filling the cabin, not just the balcony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia’s Journey’s Posted November 4, 2007 #105 Share Posted November 4, 2007 to further your 'agenda'. some people wil stop at nothing. i think you are one of those types. glad we could save you some money, though. And what is my agenda and what type am I?? I stated my experience on this last cruise, the facts as they are, I am actually not anti smoking and if I go to a place that is smoking I tolerate it like casino, I was upset we couldn't enjoy our balcony because of the smoke so we went and sat upstairs where the smoke never bothered us, what more would you smokers have liked us to do???:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #106 Share Posted November 4, 2007 WHAT? I thought you all were neat? :D Oh yeah, and we all dress like GQ models all the time... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #107 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Actually I tolerated it, just stayed off my balcony - you have no idea what kind of person I am!!! I was stating the facts as they are and because it doesn't gell with your intolerant attitude you are accusing me of lying and being intolerant etc etc :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I am very sorry Julia, I never said you were lying, I even said that it doesn't mean it isn't true, just means that I find it hard to believe and that's my problem. Also, intolerance means that you didn't tolerate it and kept the doors closed, isn't that what you said? I am very sorry...I didn't mean to offend you or call you a liar. I actually think it's a little sad that you can't enjoy a blacony because you were so worked up about the smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia’s Journey’s Posted November 4, 2007 #108 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I guess complaining to the captain didn't warrant a free cruise. And actually, the smoke was filling the cabin, not just the balcony. Actually I never even thought about a free cruise, why would I but I guess that is the first thought you would have had, the smoke smell did enter the cabin if we opened the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #109 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Oh yeah, and we all dress like GQ models all the time... :rolleyes: I'm crushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #110 Share Posted November 4, 2007 What do you have against the people in the middle? LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemaiden Posted November 4, 2007 #111 Share Posted November 4, 2007 whoa i think this topic is gettin heated and really not going to solve anything, so just best left alone unless we find out if the princess cruisline has gone smoke free and we could answer the question correctly linda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #112 Share Posted November 4, 2007 we're not talking about land-based establishments here. please stay on topic. Who died and made you the arbiter of message board topics? You aren't a moderator, are you? Better not let me catch you drift anywhere with your posts! Lighten up. No, I did not say "light up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #113 Share Posted November 4, 2007 ...And guess what, the bars and restaurants did not lose business as they had predicted. Well I will tell you that during the non smoking night in the casino, there were far fewer people gambling and that I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia’s Journey’s Posted November 4, 2007 #114 Share Posted November 4, 2007 so you were on a ship, going 22 knots, in the middle of the pacific (where i'm sure there are strong winds - just like the transatlantics i've done ) and smoke was filling your balcony. LOL! oh my, and you could smell it, all over. how horrible :rolleyes: you should've gotten a free cruise. Thankfully I don't need a free cruise which was the furtherest thing from my mind, but obviously that would be 'your' agenda. I stated the facts and the times we wanted to be on the balcony was coming into port and leaving the ports which are the times the ship is not doing 22 knots and when obviously our neighbors were enjoying there time on their balconies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #115 Share Posted November 4, 2007 whoa i think this topic is gettin heated and really not going to solve anything, so just best left alone unless we find out if the princess cruisline has gone smoke free and we could answer the question correctly linda I agree. Perhaps that's the plan for Princess but for now, suffice it to say that smoking is allowed in the cabins. At least that's what the Princess website says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #116 Share Posted November 4, 2007 hi peteri do understand that it is not nice to breathe in other peoples 2nd hand smoke and as an x-smoker you must know how hard it is to give up, especially when we enjoy our cigarettes, we do know that it isnt good for our health the problem is that we dont need some people driving down our throats every day ( AND I`M NOT SAYING YOU) telling us it isnt healthy, i have tried 3 times and always fell back , but i will try again but when nonsmokers have got some concessions in smoking ban areas they still like to have their moans and in some ways it makes me really angry and determind to keep smoking cause their trying to dictate to me what i should and shouldnt do, sorry if this doesnt come across correct but this is the feelings of other smokers i know also a fellow cruiser linda I am sorry that you are having a tough time giving it up. Good luck and I hope it works out for you. But please, don't keep smoking because some non-smokers annoy you - very wrong reason to smoke! You aren't spiting them. And just as all smokers aren't inconsiderate, not all non-smokers and ex-smokers are all bad and all the same. I was lucky, giving it up was not that hard. Then there was by BIL that wouldn't stop, smoked a lot (a couple of packs a day) and it seemed he would keep doing it forever. We all nagged him, to no avail. But then when he did decide to stop, he did the patch for about a week and then went off that and never smoked again. You just never know what works and when. Once again, good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaandam_2 Posted November 4, 2007 #117 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Who died and made you the arbiter of message board topics? You aren't a moderator, are you? Better not let me catch you drift anywhere with your posts! Lighten up. No, I did not say "light up". too late. i already lit up :p staying on topic is just the courteous thing to do. whenever smoking comes up, the nannies always bring up the restaurant thing. you can't smoke in restaurants on the ship so it is irrelavant. as for bloomburg - he's just another politician. no better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #118 Share Posted November 4, 2007 and? a business is not a democracy. as i've said before, until the is a business reason - dollars - why would princess change? Money talks! There are more non-smokers (i.e. more money) than smokers. QED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemaiden Posted November 4, 2007 #119 Share Posted November 4, 2007 thankyou peter, you were one of the lucky ones, and my time will come, its hard when i enjoy a cigarette , take care linda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaandam_2 Posted November 4, 2007 #120 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Money talks! There are more non-smokers (i.e. more money) than smokers. QED but people just whine and complain, yet still sail princess. i don't understand why. if there's a business where i'm not happy with the product i purchase it elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia’s Journey’s Posted November 4, 2007 #121 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I am very sorry Julia, I never said you were lying, I even said that it doesn't mean it isn't true, just means that I find it hard to believe and that's my problem. Also, intolerance means that you didn't tolerate it and kept the doors closed, isn't that what you said? I am very sorry...I didn't mean to offend you or call you a liar. I actually think it's a little sad that you can't enjoy a blacony because you were so worked up about the smoke. I think I was very tolerant of it, I don't have to subject myself to it to be tolerant, I made other plans and didn't want my kids coming to spend time on our balcony with all the smoke so we spent time elsewhere with them, if I wasn't tolerant I would have asked the neighbors to not smoke. Also DH didn't specifically run to the Captain about it, they were talkin g in the pool one day about the ship in general as it was going into dry dock and it came up. I think people on these boards need to start being more tolerent of other people differing opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #122 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Well I will tell you that during the non smoking night in the casino, there were far fewer people gambling and that I saw. That is one think I have noticed in casinos everywhere (yes, even land based ones like in Las Vegas! :rolleyes:): there always seem to be more smokers that non-smokers. Then again, if the non-smokers know it is going to be very smoky (and casinos usually are), they may stay away even though they would have liked to go in. I have left casinos when the smoke got too bad. The casino gets less of my money - which I guess is good for me and not for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted November 4, 2007 #123 Share Posted November 4, 2007 whenever smoking comes up, the nannies always bring up the restaurant thing. And you hate that because you know the nannies are right and you are not. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #124 Share Posted November 4, 2007 That is one think I have noticed in casinos everywhere (yes, even land based ones like in Las Vegas! :rolleyes:): there always seem to be more smokers that non-smokers. Then again, if the non-smokers know it is going to be very smoky (and casinos usually are), they may stay away even though they would have liked to go in. I have left casinos when the smoke got too bad. The casino gets less of my money - which I guess is good for me and not for them! True and I think as someone else pointed out, the fewer smoking places there are, the more smoky the smoking places will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted November 4, 2007 #125 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I think I was very tolerant of it, I don't have to subject myself to it to be tolerant, I made other plans and didn't want my kids coming to spend time on our balcony with all the smoke so we spent time elsewhere with them, if I wasn't tolerant I would have asked the neighbors to not smoke.Also DH didn't specifically run to the Captain about it, they were talkin g in the pool one day about the ship in general as it was going into dry dock and it came up. I think people on these boards need to start being more tolerent of other people differing opinions. Again, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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