Princess now non-smoking in ALL cabins?!?!

[icemaiden]

cruisegirl you`ll love the miracle is was on it last oct06

 

linda

[Cruising Caribbean]

there already are ships that severly restrict smoking. are you sailing them?

 

surely you're not suggesting that smokers should refrain from smoking - in the smoking area - because a non-smoker is present.

 

He's confused.

"If smokers become less considerate than they are already"

"Most smokers are considerate"

[Cruising Caribbean]

Aaarrrrggggg

[coiran]

Can you smoke in airports after security - NOOOOOOOOOOO!! - some airports have a room (very small) that smokers can go to get first and second hand smoke - IMHO the ships should have this room also - somewhere in the stack where all the engine smoke goes out!!

Ron

[zaandam_2]

Can you smoke in airports after security - NOOOOOOOOOOO!! - some airports have a room (very small) that smokers can go to get first and second hand smoke - IMHO the ships should have this room also - somewhere in the stack where all the engine smoke goes out!!

 

Ron

 

wrong. milwaukee, atlanta, cincinatti all have smoking areas inside security. i could go on.

[boaterette]

If smokers become less considerate than they are already, then there will be even fewer smoking areas than now faster. And certainly balconies are going to become non-smoking sooner or later. It is just a matter of time until the smoking areas are down to two. One outdoor area on some corner of the deck and one indoor area in one lounge.

 

Most smokers are considerate, it is only a few that are not, but it is the rotten apples that get remembered because of the smoke stink.

 

when it gets to that point smokers just won't cruise. We don't cruise on the lines that have very restricted smoking. we quit sailing on the paradise when the casino went nonsmoking. When smokers don't cruise you will find the price going up. And if you are gong to say you would be willing to pay the additional cost then why aren't you sailing those other restricted lines now?

[Charles4515]

there already are ships that severly restrict smoking. are you sailing them?

 

surely you're not suggesting that smokers should refrain from smoking - in the smoking area - because a non-smoker is present.

 

Of course I don't suggest smokers refrain from smoking in the smoking area. I suggest that in the future the smoking areas be further limited. And they will be.

 

Yes, I have sailed on ships that severly restrict smoking. Just sailed on Azamara. One outside deck area and one inside lounge area, only. That was so good that I would like the same policy on every cruise line. I don't advocate any further restriction than that.

[Charles4515]

when it gets to that point smokers just won't cruise. We don't cruise on the lines that have very restricted smoking. we quit sailing on the paradise when the casino went nonsmoking. When smokers don't cruise you will find the price going up. And if you are gong to say you would be willing to pay the additional cost then why aren't you sailing those other restricted lines now?

 

I think smokers will cruise. But I don't care if they don't. That is their choice. As for the restricted lines I have cruised on one and would again. They should all be like Azamara. They will be. And smokers did cruise on it anyway. I don't think the price will go up on mainstream lines if smokers don't cruise. That is just your scare tactic. But if there is an additional cost I would pay it to avoid the second hand smoke. But I don't think it will come to that. Probably some won't cruise but most will.

[toberman]

when it gets to that point smokers just won't cruise. We don't cruise on the lines that have very restricted smoking. we quit sailing on the paradise when the casino went nonsmoking. When smokers don't cruise you will find the price going up. And if you are gong to say you would be willing to pay the additional cost then why aren't you sailing those other restricted lines now?

 

I hope this thread doesn't get nasty. I'm a smoker but I totally respect the rights of non-smokers. I'm not proud that I'm a smoker, and the more I'm restricted, the more it motivates me to quit. I consider myself a very considerate smoker.

 

Janette

[Charles4515]

I hope this thread doesn't get nasty. I'm a smoker but I totally respect the rights of non-smokers. I'm not proud that I'm a smoker, and the more I'm restricted, the more it motivates me to quit. I consider myself a very considerate smoker.

 

Janette

 

These threads don't last long and no doubt this one won't either.

 

I think the majority of smokers are considerate. Although people tend to only notice those who are not considerate, I think those that are not considerate are a minority. And I think the majority of smokers will continue to cruise with the further restrictions that are coming. While I favor further restrictions, like those in effect on Azamara and Oceania, one outside area and one inside area in one of the lounges, I don't advocate a total ban.

[zaandam_2]

And I think the majority of smokers will continue to cruise with the further restrictions that are coming

 

i don't think there will be a lot more restrictions. the anti-smoking hysteria is just a fad. as long as the ships keep sailing full they have no motivation to change. CCL (princess' parent company) learned an expensive lesson with the paradise.

 

i would never consider one of the very restrictive lines.

[sccarlso]

As a considerate smoker myself, I think everything that is in place now seems to work fine for everyone.

 

1. No smoking at dinner/shows/ and most of the public places except one side of the ship topside, and the casino and nightclubs (which also have a non smoking section). Win for both sides of the issue

 

2. Most princess ships have part of the casino marked non smoking...funny those tables are almost always empty... Again, win for both sides.

 

3. Carnival had a non smoking ship "for families". Then eliminated it after lack of interest within six months. Any ship that invokes such a policy is welcome to. Funny few have, and those who have report lower than expected bookings.

 

4. Read USA Today, ships that invoked no smoking policies recently such as Regent lines, suffered heavy cancellations immediately following. I won't cruise on a non smoking ship.

 

From USA today 55 days ago.

 

<snip>

 

"The non-smokers are thrilled, (but) the smokers are very unhappy," says Mark Conroy, president of Regent Seven Seas Cruises, which is planning to tighten its rules in December — and already is getting an earful from customers.

Though many clients praise the changes, Conroy says angry smokers have canceled $3 million worth of bookings since July 5, the day Regent announced it would ban smoking in cabins and on balconies. This despite the fact that smoking still will be allowed in casinos and designated areas of bars.

 

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Still, the lines are walking a narrow road, says Mike Driscoll, editor of Cruise Week. The bans come as the industry turns to Europe for a greater portion of its growth — a region where smoking still is popular.

"Americans have become accustomed to such limitations," Driscoll adds. "Europeans are not."

 

Another "funny thing" that drives me nuts is cruise ships that belive "if we remove all the ashtrays, people won't smoke. RIGHT, that works, why not remove all the trash cans and see how that goes. It just makes a mess and cig butts go where they don't belong because the line didn't provide a safe place to put them. That will result in another tragic fire because of no safe disposal of cig butts. So Princess if you're reading...put the cans back like you used to and keep everyone safe. Smokers want to put their cigs out in the proper place and be considerate of others, but if you remove all the ashtrays, it's hard to fine someplace safe to get rid of it!

 

 

So the bottom line IMHO is not not argue about it. If the lines want to go non smoking, that's fine with me. But they better be VERY clear this is on a specific line or ship. If one line bans smoking, I'll take my business elsewhere. Simple as that and customers can vote with their dollars. If there was such a big business in having non smoking ships, why don't we have them? And why did the one ship that went non smoking, go back to smoking six months later? It's all business.

 

Side note, If you want to take a cruise with the least smoking, take a disney cruise. They don't have a casino either, so no worry for smoking there either :)

 

But all things aside, smokers are more willing to bend to resonable accommondations than non smokers from what I have seen. Ever wonder why some airports can push people through secuity faster? BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLACES TO SMOKE IN THE SECURE AREA!

 

Atlanta, Cincinnati, Memphis, Denver and many others wised up and found they could cut their security lines with people having to go in/out just to smoke. And the places to smoke are clearly marked and the only people I see in there are smokers. It's not like there are families with children choking down smoke, it's clearly marked, so don't take your dang kids there, there are dozens of other places to go. Try going through Minneapolis which has no "public" smoking area in the terminal (if you are a member of NWA Worldclubs you can smoke in their lounge in the secure area).

 

So everyone chill out. Smokers and non smokers can get along and meet in the middle. Personally I find some of the restrictions annoying, but I'm willing to do my part so everyone has a good time. So you non smokers should at least try to do the same.

 

Flame away :)

[Charles4515]

i don't think there will be a lot more restrictions. the anti-smoking hysteria is just a fad. as long as the ships keep sailing full they have no motivation to change. CCL (princess' parent company) learned an expensive lesson with the paradise.

 

i would never consider one of the very restrictive lines.

 

I don't think it is a fad. Every year there are more restrictions in the USA and in other parts of the world. Here in Maryland, once a major tobbaco growing state, a statewide ban goes into effect in February 2008 for smoking in restaurants, bars and private clubs. The trend is to further restrictions. There has been no let up. That can't help but carry over to the cruise lines. It will. There will be further restrictions.

[zaandam_2]

There has been no let up. That can't help but carry over to the cruise lines. It will. There will be further restrictions.

 

i think you're wrong. if there was money in it, they would've banned it already.

[Boytjie]

when it gets to that point smokers just won't cruise. We don't cruise on the lines that have very restricted smoking. we quit sailing on the paradise when the casino went nonsmoking. When smokers don't cruise you will find the price going up. And if you are gong to say you would be willing to pay the additional cost then why aren't you sailing those other restricted lines now?

 

Remember when they banned smoking on airplanes and we heard the sky was gonna fall? Well, the smokers are still flying and I am not aware of any smoking airlines that cater to them. They could ban smoking on ships and smokers will still cruise.

[Boytjie]

i don't think there will be a lot more restrictions. the anti-smoking hysteria is just a fad.

 

Wrong! I doubt any smoking restrictions will be rolled back.

 

i would never consider one of the very restrictive lines.

 

So do you still fly in airplanes?

[tequilasunrise]

You're entitled to your smoking, and your opinion, however I'll bet the people who have suffered second-hand smoke-related illnesses aren't laughing at the smokers who FORCED them to breathe in their smoke. It's no laughing matter, and the trend is getting more and more restrictive towards the smokers, not the non-smokers. You smokers had better get used to more restrictions, because things are only going to continue to get more and more difficult..............why? because there is a far greater percentage who don't smoke than do.......the majority in the end, will win out. Prepare yourselves. What has happened in the U.S. is going to eventually happen on cruise ships. It's inevitable.

 

rdhead43

 

LOL rdhead calm down and re-read the post. I was poking some fun at zaandam's reaction to my earlier post, which he apparently didn't read thoroughly (Z, I have to say that we don't see eye to eye on this particular issue, the boards would be less interesting without you and I'm glad you are around :D ). If you read what I write more carefully, you will notice that I do advocate tolerance rather than 100% non-smoking, but separation of smoking areas from non-smoking. This includes my never-ending quest to make Princess offer a non-smoking block of balcony cabins for us fresh sea air lovers. I am a life long nonsmoker, so I assure you no one has ever breathed in my smoke. And never will, as I am middle aged with my habits set....I see lots of smokers say they wish they could quit, but have never seen a non-smoking poster who wishes they could start....

 

Happy Cruising.

[qiangf2]

I will think it makes sense since all the HVAC system is interconnected. The smoke from one room will quickly spread to other rooms. I am pretty sure they still allow smoking in the open space.

[Cruisin' Chick]

Agreed!! Count me among the not-so-nice people anymore.

I've always been a considerate smoker but on the last cruise I reached the last straw. Smoking IS permitted is certain places on the ship and I always adhere. I don't smoke around children or old folks. (like me)

 

It was after dinner and we went to the showroom. We watched while the non-smokers filled up the smoking section giving the ashtrays to the waiter. I promptly went to the bar, got an ashtray, plopped ourselves down at the table and lit up. (a table for 8, occupied by 4) They began waving their hands, coughing, blowing and demanding that we not smoke. It was comical. I pointed out the non-smoking section to them. It took a few minutes but they moved to the proper section.

 

The same people were seated on the port-side open deck the next day. The smoking area! AGAIN!! Fortunately, there was an open table next to them... :rolleyes: Enough is enough.

 

Fortunately, the showrooms on Princess are now nonsmoking. In the past, the smoke would always seem to drift over to the nonsmoking side when smoking was allowed.

[zaandam_2]

comparing airplanes and restaurants (where one is ther for hours) to cruises (where one is there for days or weeks) isn't valid.

 

posters keep bringing up their states' smoking bans. here's something for thought: why the need for smoking bans to be legislated? if it is so good for business to go non-smoking they would've done it on their own. the fact is restaurants and bars do lose money when the bans go in effect. some go out of business.

 

let's take hennipen county in minnesota, for example. they legislated the ban. this includes minneapolis. the surrounding counties that did not have the ban saw increased business. hennipen county businesses where howling about the loss of business. bars are now allowed to petition for an exemption and a lot have. why? $$$

 

here's a page with a lot of links about the effects of smoking bans on business:

 

http://www.davehitt.com/facts/banlinks.html

 

in my state, businesses are sorting it out for themselves. a couple of my local places have tried the smoke-free route, only to reverse it months later because they were losing customers and money.

 

another poster put the article about Regent cruiselines changing their policy. they lost 3 million in bookings. the cruiseline has recently been sold. are these 2 things releated? who can say.

 

charles said he saw smokers on azamara. i bet they didn't know about the policy. azamara changed their policy mid-stream, after taking people's money. sleazy, but about what i expect from a celebrity company.

 

it will be interesting to see how the new ban on RCI plays out. i'll be watching. i'm sure cruise execs are watching, too. at least they are being public about it and phasing it in over time. they are allowing people to cancel without penalty - to a point. in any event the 'smokey balcony' threads will be fun to read. i'd never sail with rci anyway, so it makes no difference to me.

[Charles4515]

 

another poster put the article about Regent cruiselines changing their policy. they lost 3 million in bookings. the cruiseline has recently been sold. are these 2 things releated? who can say.

 

 

Regent is being purchased by the same company that bought Oceania and NCL. Carlson had been looking to get out. Has nothing to do with the smoking policy. The policies of Oceania and NCL did not change after the ownership change. Apollo generaly makes investments and leaves the management in place. This has nothing to do with smoking policies.

 

As for your other arguments, you are a die hard smoker, that is for sure!!!

I hope you will decide to continue cruiseing after all is said and done and the smoking areas are limited to a couple. But if you find another vacation option, like Indian reservations, best of luck to you!

[zaandam_2]

I hope you will decide to continue cruiseing after all is said and done and the smoking areas are limited to a couple. But if you find another vacation option, like Indian reservations, best of luck to you!

 

i consider i cruise ship a hotel that moves. it is convenient, but if the time comes where i can't find a cruiseline whose policies i agree with - and i think that's a BIG if, i will stop cruising. there are other options for seeing the world.

[cruzegirl]

when it gets to that point smokers just won't cruise. We don't cruise on the lines that have very restricted smoking. we quit sailing on the paradise when the casino went nonsmoking. When smokers don't cruise you will find the price going up. And if you are gong to say you would be willing to pay the additional cost then why aren't you sailing those other restricted lines now?

 

Oh my gosh......Here we go again...... Are you telling me that if all cruise ships went to non smoking you wouldn't cruise? Or other smokers wouldn't cruise? I don't buy that at all.... You would adapt. And you may insist you wouldn't cruise, wouldn't give them your money but if you like cruising, you would find a way......You may not cruise at first out of making a point or necessity as cruising for days with no smoke time would be rough but it would happen in time.

I do hope it happens that the ships go non smoking.... I am highly allergic to it....And couldn't partake in the Valor internet but a couple of times as it is located right by a smoking area. How cosiderate of them.... Not the smokers, not their fault but the cruise line.... Amazing........

[bohunk72]

DW and I are both smokers, I'm trying the tough chore of quitting. We would love to try Oceanic, but have not done so because of their smoking policy being so restrictive. I can not imagine bieng with DW for a week without her being able to support her habit without having to run to a small portion of the ship every time.

 

I have many say that smokers should adapt, (not easy by any means) and we have. Unfortanitly we have adapted by not opting to take a much desired O cruise.

[NOT my real name]

I do concur that smokers and non-smokers can actually live in harmony.

 

Well, I'm not so sure about that. Since second hand smoke causes death and disease to innocent victims that breath a smokers' exhaust, harmony will be elusive.

But you know this has caused me to think. I can envision someone on this board who might be troubled and needs some advice. I think we need to offer some timely advice to answer a question that is probably on the minds of many. Some young man could be thinking this,

 

"I like all the advice I get on this board but I have a question. There has been much good advice from people about smuggling liquor on a cruise. I have learned all the tricks and plan to smuggle many bottles myself. But let's say I get myself into a jam. I mean, let's say I drink too much of that liquor and I meet some girl on the ship and one thing leads to another and I find myself in a situation where she is a smoker and I am tempted to kiss her. Normally, sans alcohol, I would never do this. But what if I find myself in this situation. What can I do? Please help!"

 

I don't think we can leave such a person high and dry so to speak. He needs our help and guidance. So I will take a shot at it. Young man, if you feel you absolutely must kiss the young lady then I suggest you first perform the Smoker Scrub Down (SSD, for short). First thing is you put on your elbow length rubber gloves. Then for the facial area, you should prepare like a dental hygienist would. Wear goggles and the little breathing mask. Then fetch the toilet brush and a full can of Comet or Bon Ami or similar abrasive cleanser. Have her open wide and liberally apply the Comet or Bon Ami and then use some elbow grease to begin scrubbing. Just as with the toilet, you need to be sure and scrub well under both the upper and lower rims. Once this process is complete, use the garden hose and rinse everything out thoroughly. Then, as a last step, tie one of those air fresheners like people put on their rear view mirror to one of her upper front teeth and let it dangle freely in her mouth. I suggest pine forest scent but any other scent will do. This should help deodorize the oral cavity. Now you are ready for the dirty deed. Swoop in quickly and give her a quick peck on the cheek then back away quickly. Voila! Mission accomplished!

 

Now I know already what some of you are saying. Oh yeah. My ears are burning. I can hear it now. Some of you are saying "OK, Mr. smart alek know it all. You think you are so smart, what about this. Let's say I perform the Smoker Scrub Down and get to the end of it and find that, like many smokers, she is missing both upper front teeth. Then what do I do Mr. smarty pants? See, you're not so smart after all. "

 

Well, I already have an answer for that too. Look, Sonny, if you get yourself into a situation where you get so liquored up that you then get hooked up with some gal that is both a smoker AND is missing both her upper front teeth, then you have got real problems. At that point, getting the Smoker Scrub Down process to work properly should be the least of your worries. Your real problem at that point is why you are drinking that much alcohol in the first place. So don't come whining to me that SSD does not work properly if you get yourself into that condition.

 

Anyway, hopefully this timely advice will help some of our fellow travelers in a time of need.